Def Coord For Sunday's Game

[757RavensFan]

In the past I've asked you to state what would be your 1st play on offense. Well lets switch it up a bit. Now you have to game plan for the Pats w/out Moss.

What DB's do you start and who do you put on Welker.


For me: Webb is on Welker all day. Great covering ability and able to "finish" the tackle. Also, blitz the hell out of Brady. We haven't blitz so far this season, but this is the game to let it loose.

[TSizzle00]

Ravens dont really move CBs so the person on Welker will be whoever Welker is lined up in front of. Dont blitz too much cause he can read it as well as Peyton Manning. Ravens will need the Dline to destroy the run and create some pressure while the LBers and safeties contain that new TE they have.

[hawkprey]

I'd get a quick blitz in to pop Brady early. Stick to the "'09 playoff game" format. (Not that I expect a repeat.)

[noy]

haha when I read the thread title I thought we were talking about literally switching Mattison out for somebody else! I was about to crash that parade big time...

I think that the gameplan should be about containing Welker now. He's an amazing route runner, and is extremely agile. Webb is a smart guy and doesn't get beat deep often, but that's not Welker's specialty. Welker is the 3-15 yard kind of guy, since he won't win any jump balls. I'd say that the corner with the most lateral agility needs to be on Welker, and I think that'd be down to Webb or Carr. Not sure why some people are bashing Carr, maybe they can't seem to get early 2009 season out of their heads? But he has played really well, and deserves consideration of being put on one of the Patriots most lethal weapons. And now that Branch is with the Patriots, I think Webb should be on him. Brandon Tate hasn't really lit it up (purely according to stats, so I could be wrong), but that's the thing about Brady; he doesn't need anybody spectacular, because he spreads the ball around so much. Washington looked good against Denver, but against a smart guy like Brady...I'm still in a "wait and see" mode about him.

The running game should be held in check. The best game to compare our possible success with is the Jets (don't cringe guys!). Neither Taylor nor Ellis got anywhere against them, and considering we have a better front four, I don't think this should be an issue, but stranger things have happened.

Pressure Brady and it should be a favorable game, but that's easier said than done.

[indianstick]

I feel like we are going to get heavy doses of quick screens esp if welker is lined up next to one of their tes on the outside so we have to be careful with that. I would probably put webb on welker bc hes the quickest cb we have and the best tackler out of our cbs, but wilson will probably be able to stay with him too.

Carr hasn't been awful this year and hes actually played pretty good, but I feel like hes getting out performed by the other 3 cbs and people might disagree with me on that

[PuRock]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1287000365' post='506727']
I'd get a quick blitz in to pop Brady early. Stick to the "'09 playoff game" format. (Not that I expect a repeat.)
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[quote name='noy' timestamp='1287000513' post='506730']
Pressure Brady and it should be a favorable game, but that's easier said than done.
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I agree about pressuring Brady. That's why I want to see Suggs have a huge game in pass pressure. Forget having Suggs worry about the Run in this game.

But Blitzing Brady is exactly what he and Bill want and expect. They want us to blitz so that's one less guy in coverage. He'll hit that open man.

Best bet is to play great coverage, be physical with Welker at the line and have Ngata, Redding and Suggs explode (ala Wake Style).

[theFRANCHISE]

A-gap blitz, Ray Lewis and Jarrett Johnson crashing the middle of the line and getting all up in Tom Brady's face. Even go so far as to use the same exact play. Worked beautifully in the playoff game, and if it works again, it could be a long day for Brady & Co.

[Jabara]

If you want the Pats to blow us out, I would also suggest to, "blitz the hell out of Brady."
I think a lot of people miss the point of a blitz, and especially against a QB like Brady that will more than likely see it before it happens and beat your defense.
I think I would play to take away the run, get lots of pressure, or the illusion of pressure and force Brady to divulge their plan through the air, asap.
Most defenses will blitz on 3rd down, most offenses will play to attack the blitz on 3rd down, I like our defense in this match up.
Keep them honest, and let our team beat the man in front of them.

[True]

Aaron Hernandez is another play to watch out for. He's a TE, but he is very similar to Ed Dickson in that his physical ability allows him to stretch the field with great speed. You'd have to have the defense play close to the LOS since the Pats love using the short passing game with their fast receivers. You'd have to put a quick and strong LB on him to make sure he doesn't break through any gaps when the Pats set up screens like they love to. I can't say for sure how fast Dannell Ellerbe is, but he is someone I'd put the task of keeping Hernandez in check.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1287000513' post='506730']
haha when I read the thread title I thought we were talking about literally switching Mattison out for somebody else! I was about to crash that parade big time...
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Right, like having another top ranked defense is a bad thing. What's up with people hating on Mattison like he's the worst D coordinator ever?

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1287004556' post='506780']
If you want the Pats to blow us out, I would also suggest to, "blitz the hell out of Brady."
I think a lot of people miss the point of a blitz, and especially against a QB like Brady that will more than likely see it before it happens and beat your defense.
I think I would play to take away the run, get lots of pressure, or the illusion of pressure and force Brady to divulge their plan through the air, asap.
Most defenses will blitz on 3rd down, most offenses will play to attack the blitz on 3rd down, I like our defense in this match up.
Keep them honest, and let our team beat the man in front of them.
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Agreed, though I would still blitz the hell out of Brady on the first play or the first series. Act on the threat and scare him a little. Even if the Patriots score on the first drive, at least Brady has to consider whether the team will let everyone loose throughout the game and wear him down. He might be more timid because of it. The idea is to make him think a second longer about making a throw or taking a hit.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1287004556' post='506780']
If you want the Pats to blow us out, I would also suggest to, "blitz the hell out of Brady."
I think a lot of people miss the point of a blitz, and especially against a QB like Brady that will more than likely see it before it happens and beat your defense.
I think I would play to take away the run, get lots of pressure, or the illusion of pressure and force Brady to divulge their plan through the air, asap.
Most defenses will blitz on 3rd down, most offenses will play to attack the blitz on 3rd down, I like our defense in this match up.
Keep them honest, and let our team beat the man in front of them.
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I have spoken out many times against us blitzing a lot on good QB's, but with no real deep threat anymore we should have a free man to blitz. If Carr is on Welker, believe it or not, he won't get much breathing room. Carr's coverage is tight against non-speedy receivers, and the TE's will just cloud the middle of the field aka Ray Lewis territory. Getting to any QB early is always a good idea.

[TSizzle00]

Will Suggs beat Matt Light for a third time and force a 3rd fumble by Brady? I hope!

[letsgoflacco]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1287007594' post='506811']
I have spoken out many times against us blitzing a lot on good QB's, but with no real deep threat anymore we should have a free man to blitz. If Carr is on Welker, believe it or not, he won't get much breathing room. Carr's coverage is tight against non-speedy receivers, [b]and the TE's will just cloud the middle of the field aka Ray Lewis territory[/b]. Getting to any QB early is always a good idea.
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Can I say Dustin Keller hit? Yes please.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1287007594' post='506811']
I have spoken out many times against us blitzing a lot on good QB's, but with no real deep threat anymore we should have a free man to blitz. If Carr is on Welker, believe it or not, he won't get much breathing room. Carr's coverage is tight against non-speedy receivers, and the TE's will just cloud the middle of the field aka Ray Lewis territory. Getting to any QB early is always a good idea.
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It's not that the Ravens shouldn't blitz against good QBs, it's that the defensive gameplan shouldn't involving selling out on the blitz and playing exclusively in man coverage. I believe more in blitzing smartly rather than blitzing heavily just to artificially produce pressure.

[hawkprey]

@theFRANCHIZE
Allow me to summarize:

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1287008565' post='506822']Sort of. Don't do just one thing or just another. Wishy-washy compromise answer. And do the stuff that works, rather than the stuff that doesn't work.
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I'm trying to find something wrong with your replies since you missed me saying "a lot" in my last post about blitzing. It's hard work I tell ya.

[SnOoPy]

wish Reed was back for this game..

[flynismo]

Stack eight people in the box, vary who drops into coverage and who blitzes, have a LB shadowing Welker for support, and have the safeties play deep.Kill two birds with one stone:take away their run, and severly mitigate their little dinks and dunks that they are so infatuated with.All they have left then is to try to beat us deep. Which they cant. At least not with any consistency.

[Jabara]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1287007594' post='506811']
I have spoken out many times against us blitzing a lot on good QB's, but with [b]no real deep[/b] threat anymore we should have a free man to blitz. If Carr is on Welker, believe it or not, he won't get much breathing room. Carr's coverage is tight against non-speedy receivers, and the TE's will just cloud the middle of the field aka Ray Lewis territory. Getting to any QB early is always a good idea.
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Tate has shown he is a legit deep threat, not as good as Moss, but he'll take over the deep threat.
Getting to the QB early, and often is a great idea, it just comes down to execution, but not all sacks come off a blitz.
This is Brady though, no I don't like him at all, but he's been in this league [i]how long[/i]?
It's not like he's going to be totally unprepared by a specific game plan, he's probably seen it all over his years in the league.
The thing we can beat him on, is that he cannot prepare for how well we execute our game plan on the field, meaning man for man.
Brady can know that Ngata is out there, or what he thinks he's going to do, but when the ball is snapped and if Haloti is coming for him, you just can't gameplan against dominance at game speed, it's currently impossible.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1287037668' post='507044']but not all sacks come off a blitz.[/quote]

Exactly right...Brady takes a lot more "coverage" sacks than from an outright blitz, like most good QB's do. Part of the reason Mattison drops so many people into coverage and relies on pressure from the line.

And this is why losing Moss is going to hurt them badly in this game.

[wayne]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1287008565' post='506822']
It's not that the Ravens shouldn't blitz against good QBs, it's that the defensive gameplan shouldn't involving selling out on the blitz and playing exclusively in man coverage. I believe more in blitzing smartly rather than blitzing heavily just to artificially produce pressure.
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I agree 100%. We use a similar gameplan we used against them in the playoffs, we take away his quick screens and check downs and play mostly man coverage and force him to make an accurate pass everytime. Sometime we rush 3, most of the time we rush 4, sometimes we rush 5 and anything more than that, we rarely ever do it. Our secondary is strong as ever, I can see us getting a pick or two on Brady.

[Ravensdiciple96]

Well you know Brady will have his BLACK & WHITE skirt on the entire game! That man is going to be crying like a little girl to the refs if he even gets slightly grazed!

[JayDaRavensFan]

We dont have to go all blitz crazy. Its all about the timing of the blitz and situations. We also dont have to always get the sack, we just have to consistently hit Brady in the mouth although i would love to get sacks. Lets shut down the run and make Brady throw it before hes ready and we'll be good.

[Hjulmann]

I'm think Chris Carr, Ladarius Webb or Dominique Foxworth on em... Dom needs to redeem himself though. Tough game, but we can deal with Tom just like we did in the playoffs!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Hjulmann' timestamp='1287061437' post='507093']
I'm think Chris Carr, Ladarius Webb or Dominique Foxworth on em... Dom needs to redeem himself though. Tough game, but we can deal with Tom just like we did in the playoffs!
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You do realize "Dom" is on IR right? Do you know what IR is?

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1287062916' post='507099']
You do realize "Dom" is on IR right? Do you know what IR is?
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LOL. He must have missed that memo during training camp.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1287063133' post='507103']
LOL. He must have missed that memo during training camp.
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Yeah, just doing my noobie hazing....first, he didn't know what PUP was and when Ed was coming back and now this. All in good fun, but geeze, let's know something before we post.

We will teach ya little fella; what else do you need some schooling on?

[yakraven]

Pressure! when we didn't put pressure on Orton at both the end of the half and the end of the game was the only times Orton completed long throws. Wih Brady apparently minus a provendeep threat, pressure is even more important.
Let Redding and Ngata have the games they had against Denver and we'll make Brady throw early and short. All the dinks in the world won't get a first downif they are 3 yds or less. I can also see a use for Cody here as well, both on run and pass plays. Webb is good at speed and tackling and I can see Williams playing a role defending the TE - he's got the height and weight and can run well.

The O-line needs to play as well if not better than they did last week. I don't believe the D-line for Pats can shut down the run and if they can't early, I would run it 70-30 until they can. If we do start our run game early, we can then get some strikes through the air when they are thinking run.

But the biggest thing is penalties - we have to play good technique and make them foul to stop our play.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Hjulmann' timestamp='1287061437' post='507093']<br />I'm think Chris Carr, Ladarius Webb or Dominique Foxworth on em... Dom needs to redeem himself though. Tough game, but we can deal with Tom just like we did in the playoffs!<br />[/quote]


We're in trouble if we end up having to pull Foxy off the IR to start covering people haha...I assume you meant Fabian Washington, not Foxy? If so, Fabian has looked solid all year, and just had the game of his life last week. He's always had the tools and the capacity to learn, so maybe he is finally putting it together this year!