MERGED: Flacco Needs to Play Better

[Bullrush]

Peyton Manning needs to play better. He's not a rookie anymore and he overthrew receivers today, he threw an interception. Struggled. I don't know how the Colts can still put all their eggs in one basket with that guy.

[purple.n.black]

He did not play poorly overall though. I think we are all disappointed after about 120 first quarter passing yards and not getting many after that. But once we get in that "play it safe" mode Joe can never do well. He's a competitor, and wants to stay in that mode. When he plays to not lose it hurts him.
But hey, he didn't fumble, didn't throw a pick, avoided some sacks, and had a GREAT game on the ground. Even lowering his head

[BloodRaven]

Ahhh, Peyton Manning = Joe Flacco

I feel better.

[RavensMan]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1286745260' post='504061']
Peyton Manning needs to play better. He's not a rookie anymore and he overthrew receivers today, he threw an interception. Struggled. I don't know how the Colts can still put all their eggs in one basket with that guy.


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Are you comparing a Peyton Manning semi-offgame to a Joe Flacco semi-offgame? lmao

[Milton145]

I don't see why people are such sticklers on things. We've seen 10,000 "Joe needs to play better/take the next step threads" to the point where it makes me shake my head, especially after a game where he didn't do that bad and actually played pretty well. Coverage on our WR was tight most of the game so he had some tight windows to throw to and pass pro wasn't as great as it was the past 2 weeks.

I mean there are other things to account for as well on offense that not many people talk about.

McGahee dances too much in the endzone.
Our #1 Boldin didn't show up today.
Heap has had some questionable drops since the season started (though he has made plays on 3rd down that I will not discredit)

As a whole, the passing attack wasn't how we wanted it to be today so we turned to the ground game and played defense...and we ended up scoring the most points we've scored all season...

There's always stuff to improve on but rarely do you get a perfect game.

[Jabara]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1286744580' post='504035']
How about I continue to say what I want, because I don't care how offended you are.
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I'm not offended I'm just talking about how you view things.

You said, "Some of you might not like what I have to say, but at the end of the day its the truth."

You are discounting others opinions, in safe hope yours is always [i]correct[/i].

At the end of the day, you may be blind of the truth.
Just something you might want to consider as far as your personal outlook.
It helps to understand and consider others views on life, you could learn a lot from other people, as opposed to thinking you know everything to be the truth.

[JohnJohnson]

Unbelievable. I'm really getting sick and tired of hearing this crap. Flacco made plays, we took a lead, we ran the ball and played defensive football. Aaron Rodgers threw a pick today to give the Redskins the ball in FG range, in overtime. Peyton Manning had to settle for a bunch of FGs. Carson Palmer threw a back-breaking interception to lose the game for the Bengals. JUST STOP!

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Twoo' timestamp='1286744249' post='504024']
We're 4-1. Best record in the AFC and people still complain about our QB play. Unbelievable.
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yep!

because after awhile...our QBs inconsist play will manifest itself when we need it the least....MAKING A PLAYOFF RUN! so it is best that we fans speak of it now and that the coaches address it now before it hurts us later. 4-1 is good...but by no means has that record been due to a DOMINANT performance from the offense!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1286745436' post='504066']
I don't see why people are such sticklers on things. We've seen 10,000 "Joe needs to play better/take the next step threads" to the point where it makes me shake my head, especially after a game where he didn't do that bad and actually played pretty well. [b]Coverage on our WR was tight most of the game[/b] so he had some tight windows to throw to and pass pro wasn't as great as it was the past 2 weeks.

I mean there are other things to account for as well on offense that not many people talk about.

McGahee dances too much in the endzone.
[b]Our #1 Boldin didn't show up today.[/b]
Heap has had some questionable drops since the season started (though he has made plays on 3rd down that I will not discredit)

As a whole, the passing attack wasn't how we wanted it to be today so we turned to the ground game and played defense...and we ended up scoring the most points we've scored all season...

There's always stuff to improve on but rarely do you get a perfect game.
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Champ took Q out of the game. Had the running game not been as effective, Q would have moved around and got more involved. He did have a bad drop though.

[RavensMan]

[quote name='PITCH52BLACK' timestamp='1286745672' post='504075']
yep!

because after awhile...our QBs inconsist play will manifest itself when we need it the least....MAKING A PLAYOFF RUN! so it is best that we fans speak of it now and that the coaches address it now before it hurts us later. 4-1 is good...but by no means has that record been due to a DOMINANT performance from the offense!
[/quote]

Exactly I don't see why some fans can't take some constructive criticism. We're all rooting for the same Quarterback here guys so our love for Flacco wants to see him evolve into GREATNESS that's all.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1286745448' post='504067']
I'm not offended I'm just talking about how you view things.

You said, "Some of you might not like what I have to say, but at the end of the day its the truth."

You are discounting others opinions, in safe hope yours is always [i]correct[/i].

At the end of the day, you may be blind of the truth.
Just something you might want to consider as far as your personal outlook.
It helps to understand and consider others views on life, you could learn a lot from other people, as opposed to thinking you know everything to be the truth.
[/quote]

Still with the pseudo-psychology schtick? look, let's just agree to disagree and you can go tell someone who cares.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='PITCH52BLACK' timestamp='1286745672' post='504075']
yep!

because after awhile...our QBs inconsist play will manifest itself when we need it the least....MAKING A PLAYOFF RUN! so it is best that we fans speak of it now and that the coaches address it now before it hurts us later. 4-1 is good...but by no means has that record been due to a DOMINANT performance from the offense!
[/quote]

Yes, you're right. Great QBs never have bad games. They never have mediocre games. They never even have above average games. They just constantly DOMINATE!

Flacco isn't the problem...it's you. You don't understand that you're asking for the impossible. It's the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE.

[RavensMan]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1286745937' post='504079']
Yes, you're right. Great QBs never have bad games. They never have mediocre games. They never even have above average games. They just constantly DOMINATE!

Flacco isn't the problem...it's you. You don't understand that you're asking for the impossible. It's the NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE.
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He's not asking Flacco to be perfect. He just wants him to be consistent and I agree with him.

[beasy2487]

Ravens fans = Spoiled. Period.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1286743966' post='504017']
We're 3 years in and he's regressed slightly, now I'm not expecting him to be Peyton Manning, just to be more consistent.
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Not a chance he's regressed at all, his rookie year he was only allowed to throw PA and shotgun on 3rd down to the outside part of the field.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1286745923' post='504078']
Still with the pseudo-psychology schtick? look, let's just agree to disagree and you can go tell someone who cares.
[/quote]
Don't be so touchy fellas....jez we're all Ravens fans here

[Ravensfan23]

I agree with the notion that Joe can play better, but so could everyone else on the team. For the first time, i can remember dating back to FSU(great win last night) i saw Q let a catchable ball go right threw his hands.

TJ had a offensive PI that took away from Joe getting back in his groove, there was yet another PI in the endzone that had it not taken place, Joe would have had a passing TD added to his stats much like in the Jets game.

All we as fan watching from home see is what Joe is doing in the pocket, but we don't really see what's happening down field, or better yet, what's not happening.

I think everyone is just gonna have to get familiar with Joe being a little inconsistent with his footwork at times. Why? because it's hard for a 6'6" QB to repeat his deliver each and everytime. It's hard for a guy as tall as Joe to get the ball out of his hands as quick as most of us would like at times.

Everyone is so quick to say Flacco is a 3rd year guy, it's make or break or whatever. However Joe is truthfully a year behind guys like Ryan and Henne in his delevopment because he comes from Delaware where they didn't have a pro-style offense.

When Joe was drafted the report on him was that he would take about 3 years to get comfortable with the NFL enough to be a quality QB, well when you take a team to the AFC in your rookie year, peoples expectations of you start to soar to also most unrealistic levels. IT's his 3rd year and he's still growing.

It's tough to say a 3rd year QB is still learing the position and how to be a NFL QB, but that is true for Flacco. Can he play better and more consistent? of course. Will he be the QB that can go out each week and light any defense up? probably not right now. But minus the Cincy game, I can live with every perfomance Joe has given the Ravens this year.

People say he needs to play better against playoff teams, well both the Jets and Steelers are playoff caliber defenses and we probably won't see any defenses as good or better then those guys this year.....and all Joe did in those guys was either put his team in position to win the game, by allowing his playmakers to make plays, or in the case of the Steelers game, he actually won it. I'll take that every week.

[MiselisM]

Flacco was great throughout the first quarter. Then Harbaugh and Cam let the running game do the rest. Is there areas we saw today that Flacco needs to improve on? Sure. But what we need to understand is that Flacco is not ready to be a Peyton Manning type of quarterback. He continues to make strides, and I would rather see him learn from them early on in the season with a favorable schedule coming up ( after the Pats).

[SnOoPy]

Team Effort. Good job Ravens!

[Jabara]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1286745923' post='504078']
Still with the pseudo-psychology schtick? look, let's just agree to disagree and you can go tell someone who cares.
[/quote]
Well, "you might not like what I have to say, but at the end of the day its the truth."

You are more interested in what you say, as opposed to what is actually happening.
Hey, I'm a fellow Ravens fan, a fellow Gemini, and we aren't too far off in age.
I'm just trying to help you understand reality.
You've said, "go tell someone who cares" while in reality, I'm only trying to help you understand whats going on.
You tend to have a very negative outlook, and I'm just saying, it's not of your benefit, even if you think it is the only truth. We're probably more alike than you think, I'm just trying to help you calm down.
Flacco, wasn't the superstar you wanted to see today.
It happens, it isn't the worst thing, and he wasn't asked to be.
We won, we beat down the Broncos and their #1 offense.
Flacco didn't turn the ball over, he wasn't a superstar, but he helped us win the game, and he did a good job.
I'm sorry to break it to you, and I don't mean any harm, but life, and your idea of truth, will not always be there for you to lean on. Therefore, you may want to find truth, or success through the downfalls or pain, that life, or football, can bring you.

[sliceanddic3]

Is it really that big of a deal if were winning...?
Shut up...

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1286747110' post='504110']
Well, "you might not like what I have to say, but at the end of the day its the truth."

You are more interested in what you say, as opposed to what is actually happening.
Hey, I'm a fellow Ravens fan, a fellow Gemini, and we aren't too far off in age.
I'm just trying to help you understand reality.
You've said, "go tell someone who cares" while in reality, I'm only trying to help you understand whats going on.
You tend to have a very negative outlook, and I'm just saying, it's not of your benefit, even if you think it is the only truth. We're probably more alike than you think, I'm just trying to help you calm down.
Flacco, wasn't the superstar you wanted to see today.
It happens, it isn't the worst thing, and he wasn't asked to be.
We won, we beat down the Broncos and their #1 offense.
Flacco didn't turn the ball over, he wasn't a superstar, but he helped us win the game, and he did a good job.
I'm sorry to break it to you, and I don't mean any harm, but life, and your idea of truth, will not always be there for you to lean on. Therefore, you may want to find truth, or success through the downfalls or pain, that life, or football, can bring you.
[/quote]

Ok that, all of that up there, literally has nothing to do with anything.

[Kwothdaraven]

ravens fans are so annoying. Yes im a huge raven fan. We smash the broncos and you guys still complain. The running game domimated so joe didnt have to do much at all.

He got us in 1st and goal how many times? Teams like the colts and packers throw in thise situations allowing their qbs to rack up easy tds. Joe could have easy had 3 tds td but we didnt need him to.

Just be happy your team is 4-1 for christs sakes

[SnOoPy]

Lets say this. EVERYONE need to play better. Not just Flacco. We Won! Be happy! Look at the Bengals. lols

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='sliceanddic3' timestamp='1286747326' post='504114']
Is it really that big of a deal if were winning...?
Shut up...
[/quote]

We were winning in 08 and 09 as well, you know, when the Steelers and Saints lifted the Lombardi.

If our own players expect a Superbowl win, why shouldn't we?

[George70]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1286745653' post='504072']
Unbelievable. I'm really getting sick and tired of hearing this crap. Flacco made plays, we took a lead, we ran the ball and played defensive football. Aaron Rodgers threw a pick today to give the Redskins the ball in FG range, in overtime. Peyton Manning had to settle for a bunch of FGs. Carson Palmer threw a back-breaking interception to lose the game for the Bengals. JUST STOP!
[/quote]

I agree, Flacco must have done something right, as the Ravens managed 200 yards passing, from what I understand. The defense was what won the game for us, as well as the running attack.

Yes, Peyton wasn't up to what he could have been today, Carson had an inconsistent day, and Aaron Rodgers made a mistake or two, yet Flacco has one trying game, and I hear nothing but "What's wrong with Flacco" every time we turn around.

[jaege]

He played pretty well, over all. Extremely well for the first quarter. And he can rely on the defense and the run game to help him win a game. Thats why we have an entire team and not just a QB and 4 WRs. Is there room for improvement? Yes. Definitely, but the last two games he was looking good.

[Jamal]

Well the problem is, that many expect him to become one of the elite QB's in the NFL. He simply isn't one of them.

Hes a good QB. Nothing more, nothing less. Now if he could play like he did the first quarter, I think he could become a top 10 QB.

I'm happy we are winning, but I can understand where your coming from. His inconsistency can be maddening at times.

[jaege]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1286745448' post='504067']
I'm not offended I'm just talking about how you view things.

You said, "Some of you might not like what I have to say, but at the end of the day its the truth."

You are discounting others opinions, in safe hope yours is always [i]correct[/i].

At the end of the day, you may be blind of the truth.
Just something you might want to consider as far as your personal outlook.
It helps to understand and consider others views on life, you could learn a lot from other people, as opposed to thinking you know everything to be the truth.
[/quote]

It is the truth as he sees it, of course that does not mean it is the actual truth. Likely it is not, particularly if he does think he already knows everything. Then I know he is wrong, since I am the only one that knows everything. Just to be on the safe side, if you could PM me the winning lottery number...

[flynismo]

There's always room for improvement. But I don't think we have any room to complain. He's doing just fine.