I Think Housh Should Be Our Starting #2

[BloodRaven]

Now I know Mase has consistently overachieved and pulled off amazing feats for us in the past, but is he really better than T.J right now? or is it a loyalty thing? In my opinion T.J can do everything Mase can, he can run great routes, get separation, make tough catches, is fearless over the middle etc but is bigger, stronger, taller and faster.

What do you guys think?

[1/28/01]

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Now I know Mase has consistently overachieved and pulled off amazing feats for us in the past, but is he really better than T.J right now? or is it a loyalty thing? In my opinion T.J can do everything Mase can, he can run great routes, get separation, make tough catches, is fearless over the middle etc but is bigger, stronger, taller and faster.

What do you guys think?
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Absolutely not.....even at 36 Mase is my #2

[Bltravens]

From a straight talent perspective is debatable, Mason's value comes in with his knowledge of the offense, Joe's unconditional trust of Mason, and yes loyalty. If we demote Mason to slot, your going to see a total s***storm, pro or not Mason was begged out of retirement by the Ravens front office, you demote him know and thats not saying much about the kind of men running the front office.

Having said that, we need to get TJ on the field more often I think at least, more 3 WR 1TE 1HB formations. Leave the HB in to block or leave Heap in to block but let those 3 guys run routes together more often.

[reed20]

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From a straight talent perspective is debatable, Mason's value comes in with his knowledge of the offense, Joe's unconditional trust of Mason, and yes loyalty. If we demote Mason to slot, your going to see a total s***storm, pro or not Mason was begged out of retirement by the Ravens front office, you demote him know and thats not saying much about the kind of men running the front office.

Having said that, we need to get TJ on the field more often I think at least, more 3 WR 1TE 1HB formations. Leave the HB in to block or leave Heap in to block but let those 3 guys run routes together more often.
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I agree with this, let Heap block more often however. Better blocker plus the other team would rather not see Ray Rice with the ball in open space hes elusive. Look out for Rice versus Denver.

[flynismo]

It's funny, the same thought occured to me this morning. But no, he should not be our number 2. Loyalty is a big part of it, yes. He showed his loyalty to us by coming out of retirement after we went to his home and sniveled for him to come back. Demoting him would be bad for team morale. Not the end of the world, but it would definitely plant some seeds.We just need to run more three reciever sets, simple as that.

[Gtown Purple]

Personally I'd be fine with either one but loyalty has me leaning towards Mason.

[Bltravens]

Having said all that, I hope TJ gets re-signed if Mason hangs em up for good after the season. We need a young WR soon, but if we can hold off for a year (unless a stud falls in our laps) and use our first two round picks on an interior Dlineman and a RT that would be huge for us.

[Ed_Reed20]

Cam is running a good amount of 3-wide sets but if Mason was officially demoted, he'd complain about a lack of snaps/opportunities in no time.

Personally, I have no problem with Mason as the #2. He can still beat non-elite CBs a multitude of ways(as we saw against the Jets and Steelers) and has great hands. Houshmandzadeh may be the better player but he offers bigger mismatches in between and outside the hashes.

[BloodRaven]

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Having said all that, I hope TJ gets re-signed if Mason hangs em up for good after the season. We need a young WR soon, but if we can hold off for a year (unless a stud falls in our laps) and use our first two round picks on an interior Dlineman and a RT that would be huge for us.
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I'm convinced Mase retires after this season as he doesn't have much left, and hopefully we can resign TJ and sit a stud rookie in the slot to learn the ropes.

[Mick0311]

The thing about Mason is that he is going to be open at one point on most of his routes, he is an excellent route runner. That is good to have as a number 2. Your big threat as a number one, and a reliable as a number two. He has great hands too. For a QB to make it all the way through his progressions takes quite a few things to go right all at once. Having a guy that can get good separation that high up in the progression is a good thing. Housch's hands have been a little suspect over the first few games as well.

[Ravenmore74]

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Absolutely not.....even at 36 Mase is my #2
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I finally agree with you TJ needs show us some more catching ability..

[Alexir]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1286475543' post='501254']
Now I know Mase has consistently overachieved and pulled off amazing feats for us in the past, but is he really better than T.J right now? or is it a loyalty thing? In my opinion T.J can do everything Mase can, he can run great routes, get separation, make tough catches, is fearless over the middle etc but is bigger, stronger, taller and faster.

What do you guys think?
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Housh catches the GW in Pitt and now he should be the number 2 !?!?[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/34853_shakehead.GIF[/img]

What about the goose egg he had in Cincinnati? Where were those tough catches and separation skills?

Mason is our number 2.

[Ravenseconbeast]

hell no. Mason and Flacco gels extremely well. Mason is still well above in terms of talent compare to TJ. Its Boldin, Mason then TJ.

[purple.n.black]

Flaccos chemistry with Mason is just too much to justify this. Flacco knows when he needs someone to depend on it is Mason or Heap. And not having Mason on the field in a situation like that could really change things. He has much less confidence in TJ because they have't worked together as much, and TJ has already dropped some balls this year. Mason already gave up his #1 spot, lets not take his #2 from him. And TJ will consistently get more plays though. He just has to go out and prove that he deserves it. He will probably take some plays from Boldin and Mase, but we will see him more and more in 3+WR formations. I think people just have way too much love for TJ after last week. Not to take anything from the guy, he was crucial on that final drive, and had some great route running and a good catch, but it was one drive.

[organizedchaos007]

Tj should not be our #2. First of all, ive seen him drop a considerable amount of balls he should have caught... think that will get better when his confidence and knowledge of the offense is better. Mason is Flaccos security blanket and will always be. I do think that Tj should be resigned tho and take masons spot when he retires.

[ravensdfan]

So I read this, left, read it again, left and now am back, having read it a third time. No. Just, really, no. Mason and Flacco have that "it" thing going. Flacco would be so further back in his development without Mason agreeing to come out of retirement at the request of the FO. Mason has sure hands. Very sure hands. He's not the speediest receiver but he's smart. He knows how to run a route. No. Just, really, no.

[PuRock]

Let's just come out and say that all three guys our are #1 WRs. End of story. Because they are in their individual ways.

[ravensfan2424]

maybe when mason retires i'll be ok with Housh being #2

[VA_Fan]

No way. Mason is by far better then TJ. If TJ can show that he can catch the ball on a constant basis, then maybe he might get a second look. He needs to be more consistant.

[TSizzle00]

Mason helped Flacco grow into an NFL QB. I think we can keep him at #2 till he retires after this season.

[Ravenseconbeast]

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Let's just come out and say that all three guys our are #1 WRs. End of story. Because they are in their individual ways.
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Well thats fine with me. PROBLEM SOLVED

[big hits and ball hawks]

I agree, Mason is our #2 guy. His ability, chemistry with Joe, and loyalty are the reasons like everyone else has said. I also agree that Mason's chances of retiring after this year is pretty big, especially if we accomplish everything we're hoping for this year. Which would leave Housh's possibility of being the #2 guy up there.

Since we're on the subject of WRs, I thought I might throw Stallworth's name out there not for number two or anything but I think he'll just bring a whole other dimension to our game when he's healthy and since he'll be coming back soon, I'd expect, what are the chances of him being a guy that we resign for next year? I'm not trying to get too ahead of myself, which I did, but since everyone's bringing up Housh being resigned it just got me thinking about Stallworth.

One more thing before I finish, I think Marcus Smith has potential to one day be a good reciever as well as Reed. I think Smith would potentially be more physical and maybe Reed would be like a mix of physical and speed. Though I'd like us to get another good reciever in the draft. Probably later in the draft so he'll be like a steal butg i know there are other positions that need attention and other things that go into it. Okay, I'm done.

[raven-ray]

mason is #2

[AsianRice]

After the Steelers game, Joe finally realizes that he needs to find mismatch and delivers the ball to whoever is open. Therefore, it's not important to label #1 or #2 WR because if you are open all the time, ball will come to you.

PS: Don't start this rediculous debate because we as a team need to win a SB.

[Marc2k6]

You can label the WR's with whatever #'s you want, 1,2 or 3, they all need to be part of the game plan each and every week. End of story!

[i82much]

No chance. Flacco to Mason FTW.

[Andrew Glass]

To be completely honest, TJ has droped alot of passes, Almost as many as he caught. He had about 2-3 big drops against cincy in which he actually said after the game if he catches them as he usually does they win.

[BloodRaven]

I don't think it's fair to say TJ has streaky hands based on a bad game. We've all seen him play over the last few years and his hands are as good as anyones.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

I would keep Mase at #2 but use more 3-WR sets and occasionally use 4-WR sets when Stallworth is back.

[SnOoPy]

Mason Deserve #2 spot. Too much chemistry.