You Number Crunchers, I Need Some Validity

[Ravens549]

One of my good friends is ALWAYS harping on how Rice always runs out of bounds and that he needs to man up! WHAT?!

I know as you guys, that this is b.s. He was like 3rd best in the NFL overall last year.

Unfortunately he is injured and having a tough year.
But what the heck?!

[bdravens]

First of all, most of the time I watch him, he is running outside to one side, and then cuts back to the other side of the field for a first down.
Second, he runs OoB SOMETIMES, because as you we can see, he's a small dude lol, he can only take but so many big hits.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravens549' timestamp='1286243336' post='498752']
One of my good friends is ALWAYS harping on how Rice always runs out of bounds and that he needs to man up! WHAT?!

I know as you guys, that this is b.s. He was like 3rd best in the NFL overall last year.

Unfortunately he is injured and having a tough year.
But what the heck?!
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Trying to figure out what you're asking here....not much number crunching to be done with this one.

[SnOoPy]

Tell him Child please! lol

[BloodRaven]

All our backs are struggling with ypc, personally I think it comes down to Gaither not playing.

[hawkprey]

What numbers are there to crunch?

The only time I remember him running OB on purpose was in that playoff game against Indy. After he fumbled, he had a 15-20 yard gain and said "I'm holding on to this one".

[PuRock]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1286243650' post='498757']
Trying to figure out what you're asking here....not much number crunching to be done with this one.
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Perhaps he wants us to go back to every play Rice has ever ran the ball and tell him a percentage of how many times he's ran out of bounds.

That's just crazy talk!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1286244493' post='498770']
Perhaps he wants us to go back to every play Rice has ever ran the ball and tell him a percentage of how many times he's ran out of bounds.

That's just crazy talk!
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Well, that's all he had to say. The answer is pi.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1286245191' post='498783']
Well, that's all he had to say. The answer is pi.
[/quote]
Hell yeah I'd like some pie!

[Ravens549]

It seems the NFL has a stat on just about everything. I was just wondering if there was a yards after contact or something. That would prove he usually invites tackles and continues forward and not just running out of bounds all the time.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ravens549' timestamp='1286291413' post='499092']
It seems the NFL has a stat on just about everything. I was just wondering if there was a yards after contact or something. That would prove he usually invites tackles and continues forward and not just running out of bounds all the time.
[/quote]

Here is a great graphical explanation, Ray ranked 8th (barely behind J-Stew) with YAC in 2010. But it does suggest that his percentage is not that good.

[img]http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt301/purock/untitled-3.jpg[/img]

[Shawn`]

I've seen Rice run inbounds most of the time.

The best plays are usually off draws.

[Ravens549]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1286291842' post='499102']
Here is a great graphical explanation, Ray ranked 8th (barely behind J-Stew) with YAC in 2010. But it does suggest that his percentage is not that good.

[img]http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt301/purock/untitled-3.jpg[/img]
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Yet, above Mendenhall! Which my friend, a Steelers fan, has said is a tougher runner.

Nice, and THANKS A LOT!!!

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ravens549' timestamp='1286293809' post='499133']
Yet, above Mendenhall! Which my friend, a Steelers fan, has said is a tougher runner.

Nice, and THANKS A LOT!!!
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But Mendenhall YAC was greater in terms of percentage of his overall rushing yards over Rice.

So Rice had more yardage but Mendenhall had a greater proportion to total yards.

[flynismo]

Your friend is full of shiz. You dont average 5.6 yards a carry (last year) by ducking out of bounds at the first sign of contact. Doesnt take a genius to figure that out.Even if he did, so what? Rice is an undispute top 4 running back. If thats all your friend can come up with to knock rice, just point at him and laugh.

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='Ravens549' timestamp='1286293809' post='499133']
Yet, above Mendenhall! Which my friend, a Steelers fan, has said is a tougher runner.

Nice, and THANKS A LOT!!!
[/quote]

You guys need to learn how to read graphs.....

The graph shows that Rice had one of the worst % of yards after contac. Sure, he has more yards, but its not saying much. CJ's YAC is low because a whole lot of his yardage was gained by his pure speed. Rice, not the case

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1286318017' post='499571']
You guys need to learn how to read graphs.....

The graph shows that Rice had one of the worst % of yards after contac. Sure, he has more yards, but its not saying much. CJ's YAC is low because a whole lot of his yardage was gained by his pure speed. Rice, not the case
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Did you not read where Pu says 8th best in yards but not in percentage?

So, you're saying Rice is slow?

[Romo Ravens]

A little off topic, I'm trying to determine what's wrong with our Pro Bowl RB this year. After thinking about it, I always come to the conclusion that we've been facing some stiff run defenses, and Gaither being out with Cam's style of play has shown a decrease in Rice's overrall production. But as the schedule gets easier, hopefully Rice will be a threat every time he touches the ball, much like last year.

His Fantasy Football owners are waiting patiently lol...

[Shawn`]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1286318317' post='499576']
A little off topic, I'm trying to determine what's wrong with our Pro Bowl RB this year. After thinking about it, I always come to the conclusion that we've been facing some stiff run defenses, and Gaither being out with Cam's style of play has shown a decrease in Rice's overrall production. But as the schedule gets easier, hopefully Rice will be a threat every time he touches the ball, much like last year.

[b]His Fantasy Football owners are waiting patiently lol...[/b]
[/quote]

Not the ones I know, fantasy owners can be very impatient. I've got some in my leagues that are calling for his head!

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Shawn`' timestamp='1286318601' post='499582']
Not the ones I know, fantasy owners can be very impatient. I've got some in my leagues that are calling for his head!
[/quote]

Hahaha.. he needs to step it up, we don't mess around! I've seen broken relationships between FF players and owners. Something nobody should go through...

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Shawn`' timestamp='1286318601' post='499582']
Not the ones I know, fantasy owners can be very impatient. I've got some in my leagues that are calling for his head!
[/quote]

Yeah, I was reading some of the comments on CBS and it's pathetic how worked up people get because a player isn't producing.

[indianstick]

I have rice on my FF team and im not too worried. He didn't get too many lanes in week 1 cause it was the jets.In week 2, just when he seemed to be getting in a grove cam decided to go pass happy. He was doing work against cleveland and i kind of freaked when he didn't play almost the whole 4th, but then I heard about the knee contussion right after the game. Against Pitt, harbaugh was being cautious and he didn't get too many carries and their run d is the best in the league so he wasn't able to do much with his 8 carries. BUT..i have a feeling hes going to have his first 100 yard game for the season this week, maybe even a td or two.

Now for the topic...just remind your friend to count how many tackles he broke on that 4th down play last season in the second game against them

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1286244029' post='498763']
All our backs are struggling with ypc, personally I think it comes down to Gaither not playing.
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YPC has been up and down for Rice We saw him do just fine against the Bengals defense but went down to 2.5 this week after his knee injury. So I obviously see inconsistency.

But in Cincy, against that tough defense, he had 16 carries for 87 yards which is just under 4.5 ypc.

His rough start to the season can be put on the O line for not doing a very good job in creating gaps, but also, Rice just hasn't looked comfortable in any game we've played so far this year. He's been less powerful and less quick outta the backfield.

He just seems scared out there, which is the last thing you'd expect from a Raven, especially after what he did last season.

[svt2nv04]

Why would you have started Rice last week???

I have Rice in at least one of my fantasy football leagues, I benched him and picked up another running back from FA. And actually, it ended up being McGahee LOL

[svt2nv04]

Anyway, on topic, I agree with the OP's friend, to an extent. He does run out of bounds often.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1286320610' post='499624']
YPC has been up and down for Rice We saw him do just fine against the Bengals defense but went down to 2.5 this week after his knee injury. So I obviously see inconsistency.

But in Cincy, against that tough defense, he had 16 carries for 87 yards which is just under 4.5 ypc.

His rough start to the season can be put on the O line for not doing a very good job in creating gaps, but also, Rice just hasn't looked comfortable in any game we've played so far this year. He's been less powerful and less quick outta the backfield.

[b]He just seems scared out there, which is the last thing you'd expect from a Raven, especially after what he did last season.[/b]
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Scared? I couldn't disagree more man.

[berad]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1286320948' post='499635']
Scared? I couldn't disagree more man.
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Maybe because Ray opens his eyes really widely? If that's the case, he's never seen Rice play before.

Ray Rice was definitely not scared.

[PuRock]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1286323107' post='499666']
Ray Rice was definitely not scared.
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Just his personality screams he isn't scared of running the rock. If you ever see this guy in person or interact with fans, you know he's out there to play.

[berad]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1286327485' post='499744']
Just his personality screams he isn't scared of running the rock. If you ever see this guy in person or interact with fans, you know he's out there to play.
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Ray Rice is supremely confident. I'm sure he's talking down his groceries at Superfresh, too

[purple.n.black]

He runs out of bounds a bit, but he gets the first down when he can. It keeps him from getting too banged up and keeps the ball in his hands.
And Rice has really excelled in draws/counters. We just have not seen that much of either so far this year. But now that our passing game in clicking, we'll be able to catch defenses off guard with the draw more. And it'll be far better in the shotgun, Flacco has been spending a lot more time in the shotgun.