Cam Awarded Game Ball Versus Pitt

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Harbs has a high football IQ. It showed by his award of the game ball to Cam Cameron today. Cam constantly hears the foolish criticism and rightfully, he ignores them.

Cam is just what Flacco needs,,, a tough, agressive, forward-thinking OC. Cam gameplans for the purpose of scoring points against whatever defense he is facing. Cams QB has to play fast and he has to play smart. If the QB can't cut it, it will show. If the QB has the touch and the balls to make the throws, that will show too.

Flacco is just now understanding that he needs good mechanics to throw the ball with touch down the middle of the field. This is the biggest difference in Joes Development this year. Boldin and Heap are making a killing in the middle seams this year. Joe couldn't make this throw in the past, but Cam has developed that in him. Joe showed me something today, but the credit goes to Cam.

Great Job today Cam, we threw the ball when the Steelers thought we were going to run, and we ran when they thought we would throw. Even though we only averaged 2.5 yards per carry, you still mixed in just enough runs to be able to gore Pittsbugh with the horns of the pass.

[Irish Raven]

Jim Zorn is a highly regarded coach. Well QB coach anyway

Do you think he's had much of an impact with Flacco and improved him?

[RoflDogs]

*Prepares flame shield*

Cam Cameron is an awful play caller/OC. He tries to be too smart at times, but it backfires right back, and sometimes, he is ridiculously predictable and sometimes too bland (I.e. 3 WR shotgun formation and everybody runs a curl route) Plus, he cannot utilize his personnel correctly. Like the fade to Mason. I know Mason caught one against the Steelers last year, but Mason isn't the type of receiver that catches fade routes. It is a very low-percentage play, and it would have been better to run the ball or go with a different pass route. With the Boldin fade, I understand that because Boldin is excellent at using body control and has very strong hands (But a poor throw from Joe there).

My biggest gripe with him this season is the lack of use of our young tight ends. Look at New England. They have had [b]plenty [/b]of success using the tight ends in a way to make them successful. Gronkowski is a good inline blocker and a very good redzone threat due to his tremendous size. Therefore, Brady and co. use him in the redzone. Aaron Hernandez is basically a huge wide receiver, and he can make people miss in the open field and has decent enough speed to get by LBs and enough size to beat CBs.

Pitta and Dickson could be a huge boost to the offense and add another dimension, but Cam Cameron is using them VERY sparingly for whatever reason


/end rant

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[quote name='Irish Raven' timestamp='1286151229' post='496994']
Jim Zorn is a highly regarded coach. Well QB coach anyway

Do you think he's had much of an impact with Flacco and improved him?
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Even if that is true (which I am not saying its not), Cam still hired him and gives him marching orders. Cam is also calling the plays and developing the offensive game plan. I thought the pass protection was great today and the offense outgained Pitt.

I know, Ben was not there today to put more pressure on our defense, but our offense really looked good today against a REALLY fierce defense.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1286151577' post='496999']
*Prepares flame shield*

Cam Cameron is an awful play caller/OC. He tries to be too smart at times, but it backfires right back, and sometimes, he is ridiculously predictable and sometimes too bland (I.e. 3 WR shotgun formation and everybody runs a curl route) Plus, he cannot utilize his personnel correctly. Like the fade to Mason. I know Mason caught one against the Steelers last year, but Mason isn't the type of receiver that catches fade routes. It is a very low-percentage play, and it would have been better to run the ball or go with a different pass route. With the Boldin fade, I understand that because Boldin is excellent at using body control and has very strong hands (But a poor throw from Joe there).

My biggest gripe with him this season is the lack of use of our young tight ends. Look at New England. They have had [b]plenty [/b]of success using the tight ends in a way to make them successful. Gronkowski is a good inline blocker and a very good redzone threat due to his tremendous size. Therefore, Brady and co. use him in the redzone. Aaron Hernandez is basically a huge wide receiver, and he can make people miss in the open field and has decent enough speed to get by LBs and enough size to beat CBs.

Pitta and Dickson could be a huge boost to the offense and add another dimension, but Cam Cameron is using them VERY sparingly for whatever reason


/end rant
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This.

To elaborate, I pretty much agree with what RoflDogs said. What bugs me most about Cam is his seeming dislike for running on 3rd and short.

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[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1286151577' post='496999']
*Prepares flame shield*

Cam Cameron is an awful play caller/OC. He tries to be too smart at times, but it backfires right back, and sometimes, he is ridiculously predictable and sometimes too bland (I.e. 3 WR shotgun formation and everybody runs a curl route) Plus, he cannot utilize his personnel correctly. Like the fade to Mason. I know Mason caught one against the Steelers last year, but Mason isn't the type of receiver that catches fade routes. It is a very low-percentage play, and it would have been better to run the ball or go with a different pass route. With the Boldin fade, I understand that because Boldin is excellent at using body control and has very strong hands (But a poor throw from Joe there).

My biggest gripe with him this season is the lack of use of our young tight ends. Look at New England. They have had [b]plenty [/b]of success using the tight ends in a way to make them successful. Gronkowski is a good inline blocker and a very good redzone threat due to his tremendous size. Therefore, Brady and co. use him in the redzone. Aaron Hernandez is basically a huge wide receiver, and he can make people miss in the open field and has decent enough speed to get by LBs and enough size to beat CBs.

Pitta and Dickson could be a huge boost to the offense and add another dimension, but Cam Cameron is using them VERY sparingly for whatever reason


/end rant
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Please don't take this personal, but the only rational comment I can fathom regarding your rant above is I believe you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. I mean like, YOU DO have a right to your opinion, but the Head Coach just said he Disagrees with you.

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1286151719' post='497003']
This.

To elaborate, I pretty much agree with what RoflDogs said. What bugs me most about Cam is his seeming dislike for running on 3rd and short.
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If you notice, in todays game, very few teams run the ball on third and two now. Mike Shanahan stated last week, that ANY team can stop the run if they really want to. There was a time ago that third and two, was a reliable running play. That's really not true today.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='hammer' timestamp='1286152338' post='497024']
If you notice, in todays game, very few teams run the ball on third and two now. Mike Shanahan stated last week, that ANY team can stop the run if they really want to. There was a time ago that third and two, was a reliable running play. That's really not true today.
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No disrespect to Shanny but a team should be able to move the ball 2-3 yards if need be.

Offenses are passing the ball more but does that mean o-lineman shouldn't be able to maul?

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1286152447' post='497027']
No disrespect to Shanny but a team should be able to move the ball 2-3 yards if need be.

Offenses are passing the ball more but does that mean o-lineman shouldn't be able to maul?
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I actually agree with you, but I probably don't need to remind you that the league is geared to the forward pass today. The rules, the training, the players and the strategy. Back when the Hogs roamed DC, and Emmit Smith was with Dallas, you would see those types of runs on third and two or three. When you watch the game today, unless it is under one yard, teams dont automtically run on third down. From what I am seeing, its about 50% run and 50% pass.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='hammer' timestamp='1286153359' post='497042']
I actually agree with you, but I probably don't need to remind you that the league is geared to the forward pass today. The rules, the training, the players and the strategy. Back when the Hogs roamed DC, and Emmit Smith was with Dallas, you would see those types of runs on third and two or three. When you watch the game today, unless it is under one yard, teams dont automtically run on third down. From what I am seeing, its about 50% run and 50% pass.
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True.

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='hammer' timestamp='1286152128' post='497014']
Please don't take this personal, but the only rational comment I can fathom regarding your rant above is I believe you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. I mean like, YOU DO have a right to your opinion, but the Head Coach just said he Disagrees with you.
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Errr, Harbaugh said Frank Walker was a great player......so does that make him a great player?

You can at least give me objective reasons why you think my explanation is wrong, instead of just saying " I believe you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about." Because I have enough examples to base my opinion off of

[Florida Ravens Fan]

I agree, when you are 3rd and 2 on red zone why not try to power it in? Thats a time when I would like to see Ngata put to block for Rice..

[PuRock]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1286153607' post='497048']
Errr, Harbaugh said Frank Walker was a great player......so does that make him a great player?
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Harbs believes that anybody that dons a Ravens jersey is a "helluva player."

[PuRock]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1286153691' post='497051']
I agree, when you are 3rd and 2 on red zone why not try to power it in? Thats a time when I would like to see Ngata put to block for Rice..
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They had that line stuffed with linebackers. We could've tried powering it but we probably wouldn't have gotten in.

[wayne]

I thinks he tries too hard on O myself ( too complicated ) like the series when were on the like 3 yd line and he dials up two pass plays that were fades and I thought the game was over there. He can be too predictable at times also but he rebounded with good play calling on that last drive so I won't get on his case too much. Also, play it safe sometimes Cam, settling for field goals are ok considering most of our games come down to the wire anyway. Also, run more.

[RoflDogs]

I admit. I have to give him credit for setting up that TJ Out than into a Corner post (lol, thats prolly not what its called, but w.e)

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[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1286153607' post='497048']
Errr, Harbaugh said Frank Walker was a great player......so does that make him a great player?

[b][size="4"]Nope, doesn't make Walker a great player, but it doesn't make you smarter than the head coach either.[/size][/b]

You can at least give me objective reasons why you think my explanation is wrong, instead of just saying " I believe you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about." Because I have enough examples to base my opinion off of
[/quote] [size="4"][b]I will get back to you on that in a minute. [/b][/size]

[K-Dog]

cam's best day thus far this season.

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[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1286153691' post='497051']
I agree, when you are 3rd and 2 on red zone why not try to power it in? Thats a time when I would like to see Ngata put to block for Rice..
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I like your suggestion, but my feeling is that the Steelers have the power to stop the run when they REALLY want to. The Ravens have not been able to force their will to run the ball against the Steelers (2.6 avg).

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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1286153793' post='497055']
Harbs believes that anybody that dons a Ravens jersey is a "helluva player."
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You shouldn't confuse Harbaughs leadership style with his skill assessments. Game balls are given for performance, not motivation.

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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1286153843' post='497057']
They had that line stuffed with linebackers. We could've tried powering it but we probably wouldn't have gotten in.
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Ditto.

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[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1286154300' post='497076']
I thinks he tries too hard on O myself ( too complicated ) like the series when were on the like 3 yd line and he dials up two pass plays that were fades and I thought the game was over there. He can be too predictable at times also but he rebounded with good play calling on that last drive so I won't get on his case too much. Also, play it self sometimes Cam, setting for field goals are ok considering most of our games come down to the wire anyway.
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I have to agree with you on the fade plays, but only because I just don't like the fade play,,,,,ever!

Cam is never going to play it safe, thats not why they hired him. The QB is gonna have to be a stud to play for Cam.

If you want safe, then may I suggest, Neuheisal, or Cavenaugh or Fassel? [b]Oh, you say No thanks? Yeah, I kinda thought so.[/b]

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='hammer' timestamp='1286155418' post='497102']
I like your suggestion, but my feeling is that the Steelers have the power to stop the run when they REALLY want to. The Ravens have not been able to force their will to run the ball against the Steelers (2.6 avg).
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Can you imagine that though, little Rice hopping on Ngatas back and being piggy backed in to the end zone, lol what would that play be called??

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[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1286156123' post='497124']
Can you imagine that though, little Rice hopping on Ngatas back and being piggy backed in to the end zone, lol what would that play be called??
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How about "NgataRiceUpDaMiddle?"

[PuRock]

[quote name='hammer' timestamp='1286155566' post='497106']
You shouldn't confuse Harbaughs leadership style with his skill assessments. Game balls are given for performance, not motivation.
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Oh I agree. I just love his leadership style when he says that guy is a "helluva Player". Game balls signify he appreciates that much more.

[FerrariFan87]

I think our whole O-line deserved a game ball too. 1 sack all game against arguably the best pass-rushing team in the NFL is saying something. They don't get a higher grade from me because of our lack of a running game, although they came through on some big runs (Willis' TD to name one).

[bmorefan444]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1286157124' post='497178']
I think our whole O-line deserved a game ball too. 1 sack all game against arguably the best pass-rushing team in the NFL is saying something. They don't get a higher grade from me because of our lack of a running game, although they came through on some big runs (Willis' TD to name one).
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Absolutly. Coming into this game our O-line was a worry of mine. Harrison and Woodley are the best of the best. I dont know about you, but I didnt hear those two names a lot today. Oher owned Harrison all day.

[flynismo]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1286151577' post='496999']<br />*Prepares flame shield*<br /><br />Cam Cameron is an awful play caller/OC. He tries to be too smart at times, but it backfires right back, and sometimes, he is ridiculously predictable and sometimes too bland (I.e. 3 WR shotgun formation and everybody runs a curl route) Plus, he cannot utilize his personnel correctly. Like the fade to Mason. I know Mason caught one against the Steelers last year, but Mason isn't the type of receiver that catches fade routes. It is a very low-percentage play, and it would have been better to run the ball or go with a different pass route. With the Boldin fade, I understand that because Boldin is excellent at using body control and has very strong hands (But a poor throw from Joe there).<br /><br />My biggest gripe with him this season is the lack of use of our young tight ends. Look at New England. They have had <b>plenty </b>of success using the tight ends in a way to make them successful. Gronkowski is a good inline blocker and a very good redzone threat due to his tremendous size. Therefore, Brady and co. use him in the redzone. Aaron Hernandez is basically a huge wide receiver, and he can make people miss in the open field and has decent enough speed to get by LBs and enough size to beat CBs.<br /><br />Pitta and Dickson could be a huge boost to the offense and add another dimension, but Cam Cameron is using them VERY sparingly for whatever reason<br /><br /><br />/end rant<br />[/quote]


No need for a flame shield; you actually gave thoughtful reasoning behind your stance.

I think there's good reason why the young TE's aren't on the field much. One reason is Heap, of course. Another reason is that we have three extremely talented and ESTABLISHED wide receivers...which leads me to the third reason, which is that we have no idea if these two kids are ready for significant playing time yet, and facing teams like Pittsburgh, Cincy and the Jets isn't the time to experiement and find out if they are NFL caliber players.

Give it time; Cam loves using his tight ends, and when they are ready, rest assured they will be on the field.

[SaVaGe]

Cam said a something today that peaked my interest, something about he is ok with being the bad guy he just doesn't want Joe being thrown under the bus like every other QB in the league.

EDIT found it:


"I can be the bad guy; I'm OK with that," Ravens offensive coordinator Cam Cameron said. "I don't want the quarterback to ever be the bad guy. We've watched that unfold in this league, and that's where you have a problem."

Source: [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/18384/joe-flacco-finally-slays-the-steelers"]Link[/url]

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[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1286151577' post='496999']
*Prepares flame shield*

Cam Cameron is an awful play caller/OC. He tries to be too smart at times, but it backfires right back.

[b]Agreed, Cam can be a little clever at times, but I like that. I'll accept that as a shortcoming and a trade off for his innovation and productivity.[/b]

and sometimes, he is ridiculously predictable and sometimes too bland (I.e. 3 WR shotgun formation and everybody runs a curl route)

[b]My suspicion is that some of the routes could be audibles at the line of scrimmage and some may be hot reads by the recievers. Theres a lot going on at the snap of the ball that you and I are not privy to. Thats why they get paid the bucks and we are online "sniveling" at every play. I respect Cam too much to not give him the benefit of a doubt. We need his admission of facts to even begin to understand what we just saw on the field.[/b]

Plus, he cannot utilize his personnel correctly. Like the fade to Mason. I know Mason caught one against the Steelers last year.

[b]I think you just answered your own question here.[/b]

My biggest gripe with him this season is the lack of use of our young tight ends.
Pitta and Dickson could be a huge boost to the offense and add another dimension, but Cam Cameron is using them VERY sparingly for whatever reason.

[b]The "whatever reasons" you are looking for are called; "lack of blocking ability" and "Heap productivity."[/b]

I hope that helps translate what I was thinking in my initial response. Thanks for your professional reply, even if mine fell a little short.