Any Ideas What Happens When Stallworth Comes Back?

[Jabara]

Will nothing really change?
Will it create game day roster issues?
Will it just be awesome?

Any insight as to what happens in this type of situation?

[Ravensdiciple96]

Well if Cam and Joe can't get into any kind of decent offensive rhythm, and start getting the ball distributed around evenly and creating a decent passing attack that way, then I doubt it wouldn't make no difference when ever Stall gets back. I mean I know last game I think 6 different players caught a pass, but it just didn't seem like it was very balanced with the passing, not balanced with pass/run, if that makes any sense. I loved seeing the Flacco and Boldin show last Sunday, but Flacco has got to make every weapon count IMO. Maybe we will see more of that this Sunday. I just hope things will be clicking great when Stall gets back, and that is not to much longer!

[Jabara]

[quote name='Ravensdiciple96' timestamp='1285924926' post='493233']
Well if Cam and Joe can't get into any kind of decent offensive rhythm, and start getting the ball distributed around evenly and creating a decent passing attack that way, then I doubt it wouldn't make no difference when ever Stall gets back. I mean I know last game I think 6 different players caught a pass, but it just didn't seem like it was very balanced with the passing, not balanced with pass/run, if that makes any sense. I loved seeing the Flacco and Boldin show last Sunday, but Flacco has got to make every weapon count IMO. Maybe we will see more of that this Sunday. I just hope things will be clicking great when Stall gets back, and that is not to much longer!
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I know what you are saying and I agree, at least in hoping our weapons get multiple touches, but it seems that Pryce was cut, to make game day roster space for Kruger, among other reasons, but what happens with the roster when Stallworth comes back?
D. Reed has been making the game day roster because of special teams, so will they keep him in that position, or move him out to make room for Stallworth?
Will someone else have to get cut?
Is there a strange IR move?
Will nothing change?
Who knows?



P.S. Will Hamlin get cut, again, once Reed comes back?

[Milton145]

What's all this with "Joe needs to spread the ball"?

Heap and Boldin have been mad open so he gets the ball to them. Want him to force it to other players? Ok I hope he does in fact start doing that and hear what you guys say.

[GrizzleX]

The only thing that'll change is that someone else will be on the inactive list in his place each week that he plays. For some reason that I didn't understand, he wasn't eligible for the PUP list, and thusly has been on the inactive list every week so far.

[flynismo]

After the [i]<poo>[/i] storm that hit after the cincy game, you'd think people could appreciate joe hitting the open man and taking what the defense gives him, rather than holding onto the ball forever while scanning the field waiting for someone to get open.You dont force throws just for the sake of spreading the ball around; you hit the open man.

[Neal Could Block the SUN!!]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1285927233' post='493240']
After the [i]<poo>[/i] storm that hit after the cincy game, you'd think people could appreciate joe hitting the open man and taking what the defense gives him, rather than holding onto the ball forever while scanning the field waiting for someone to get open.You dont force throws just for the sake of spreading the ball around; you hit the open man.
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Amen to that!

Could care less if Q has every TD this season as long as we win. I see the concern about Joe's reads and favoring one part of the field. Last year it was the dump off to Rice. I'd be happy if this season the money shot was over the middle to Heap for 5-8 every rec. At the end of the 4th qtr as long as it ends in Ravens W, it don't matter how it got done!

[Ravensdiciple96]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1285926471' post='493237']
What's all this with "Joe needs to spread the ball"?

Heap and Boldin have been mad open so he gets the ball to them. Want him to force it to other players? Ok I hope he does in fact start doing that and hear what you guys say.
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[i]<no personal insults>[/i] If you think just throwing the ball to Heap and Q is going to get it done and take this team where it needs to go, I think you might want to think again. Joe has been working with Heap and Mase for the past two seasons and you see how far that got us, to the AFC championship game, but if you think they would of beat Pittsburgh and went on to win the superbowl with just that combo of passing I highly dout that would of worked.

You think Q is going to have the success against Pittsburgh this week like he had last week? Of course he is capable of doing it, but they are going to lock him up so hard, it's going to force Joe and Cam to look in other directions. They got the weapons and they need to start utilizing all of them.

With the case about Stall, I have no idea what move they will make for him. Maybe they will let Reed go to free up the spot for Stall. Stall can play ST and we already know what kind of a threat he is out on offense. I actually can't wait to see what they do, I was shocked they let Pryce go. But hey they are the professional coaches, so they must have an out look we don't quite have yet. Hope it is not the kind of moves that will come back to haunt them!

[ravenanchors]

When Stallworth got injured, Baltimore signed Housh to take his place.
Stallworth is much more a Raven than Housh at least in his attitude. SW is willing to put the team first.
I wouldn't be surprised if they cut/trade Housh, especially if his performance does not improve. David Reed is a good young receiver. That is something the Ravens need on their team since All our receivers have at least 8 years.

[berad]

When Stallworth comes back, get this, [b]they will not need to cut anyone[/b]. As someone else already said, he is already on the 53-man roster because he was ineligible for PUP when he got hurt. David Reed won't be cut because of Stallworths recovery.

Again, [b]don't need to cut anyone for Stallworth[/b]. No need to debate that aspect.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1285936190' post='493262']
When Stallworth comes back, get this, [b]they will not need to cut anyone[/b]. As someone else already said, he is already on the 53-man roster because he was ineligible for PUP when he got hurt. David Reed won't be cut because of Stallworths recovery.

Again, [b]don't need to cut anyone for Stallworth[/b]. No need to debate that aspect.
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^What he said. Stallworth is already on the roster. Here's the depth chart to prove it: http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Player_Roster/Depth_Chart.aspx

Now when Reed comes back, someone has to go!!

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

The point is Housh just needs to keep working hard, dont let up on a single play. Each team we play will game plan differently. The game will dictate who should be open. As long as Housh is doing his job he will be a very productive player on this team. Sure he only has 3 receptions, the point is this week against the Steelers could very well be his week to hit 150 yds with 3 tds. You never know.

As far as Stalls is concerned, he will need some time to ease back into his regular assignments. He is already part of the 53 so no cuts will happen. Its just a matter of who will be active per the game plan and also possible injuries to other players. There is so much that goes into a game plan that it is difficult to predict what will happen. Thats why the FO gets paid the big bucks.

[ravenanchors]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1285936190' post='493262']
When Stallworth comes back, get this, [b]they will not need to cut anyone[/b]. As someone else already said, he is already on the 53-man roster because he was ineligible for PUP when he got hurt. David Reed won't be cut because of Stallworths recovery.

Again, [b]don't need to cut anyone for Stallworth[/b]. No need to debate that aspect.
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When Stallworth returns, the question is, will Housh become the 4th receiver.
If he does he will really not be happy. There may be an opportunity to trade or Cut Housh.

[Jabara]

[quote name='ravenanchors' timestamp='1285938841' post='493278']
When Stallworth returns, the question is, will Housh become the 4th receiver.
If he does he will really not be happy. There may be an opportunity to trade or Cut Housh.
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That's more of what I'm talking about.

Berad, I'm more interested in how the 45 man roster shapes out on game day.

GrizzleX, Stallworth was able to practice in training camp, thus he's not allowed to be put on the PUP, even after he got injured.


I can't imagine them dropping Housh.
With the 45 man roster, I'm wondering will they start all 4 WR's, (Boldin, Housh, Mason, Stallworth) plus D.Reed because of his ST's abilities.

[hawkprey]

Right now the concensus is when Reed has to come back, they'll cut Ray Lewis for a game and try to re-sign him later

[flynismo]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1285961361' post='493545']<br />That's more of what I'm talking about. <br /><br />Berad, I'm more interested in how the 45 man roster shapes out on game day. <br /><br />GrizzleX, Stallworth was able to practice in training camp, thus he's not allowed to be put on the PUP, even after he got injured. <br /><br /><br />I can't imagine them dropping Housh. <br />With the 45 man roster, I'm wondering will they start all 4 WR's, (Boldin, Housh, Mason, Stallworth) plus D.Reed because of his SP's abilities.<br />[/quote]

I''m hoping we see Josh Wilson return some kicks for us, kid was dynamite last year. I think Reed will make the 45 man roster, we'll make room for him somehow.

[berad]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1285961361' post='493545']
That's more of what I'm talking about.

[b]Berad, I'm more interested in how the 45 man roster shapes out on game day. [/b]

GrizzleX, Stallworth was able to practice in training camp, thus he's not allowed to be put on the PUP, even after he got injured.


I can't imagine them dropping Housh.
With the 45 man roster, I'm wondering will they start all 4 WR's, (Boldin, Housh, Mason, Stallworth) plus D.Reed because of his SP's abilities.
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Didn't say you were. Some people just seemed confused

[Jabara]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1285966886' post='493667']
Didn't say you were. Some people just seemed confused
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I was just trying to clarify things.
Also, that should say ST's abilities, not SP(?)


I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Milton145]

[quote name='Ravensdiciple96' timestamp='1285930798' post='493246']
[i]<no personal insults>[/i] If you think just throwing the ball to Heap and Q is going to get it done and take this team where it needs to go, I think you might want to think again. Joe has been working with Heap and Mase for the past two seasons and you see how far that got us, to the AFC championship game, but if you think they would of beat Pittsburgh and went on to win the superbowl with just that combo of passing I highly dout that would of worked.

You think Q is going to have the success against Pittsburgh this week like he had last week? Of course he is capable of doing it, but they are going to lock him up so hard, it's going to force Joe and Cam to look in other directions. They got the weapons and they need to start utilizing all of them.

With the case about Stall, I have no idea what move they will make for him. Maybe they will let Reed go to free up the spot for Stall. Stall can play ST and we already know what kind of a threat he is out on offense. I actually can't wait to see what they do, I was shocked they let Pryce go. But hey they are the professional coaches, so they must have an out look we don't quite have yet. Hope it is not the kind of moves that will come back to haunt them!
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You completely misunderstood what I was saying. Flacco has been throwing to Heap and Boldin, converting all of those big 3rd downs, because they have been more open than Mason and Housh. On offense you can't just say, "Ok I've given the ball to Boldin enough so I'm going to stare down Mason this play and force him the ball even though he isn't open."

Wanna see Joe do that? Ok then keep watching our Week 10 (i think?) game against the Colts last year and see what staring down a receiver does. Cost us the game when Joe tried forcing it to Rice. The reason why Boldin has better stats than Housh and Mason is not because Flacco chooses to throw to Boldin and Heap, it's because they have been better receivers so far in getting open, and in Housh's case, they haven't dropped as many balls. Boldin catches everything and Heap is there for Joe on 3rd down.

And to say Boldin is going to get locked up by the Steelers defense shows you obviously didn't watch the Cardinals vs. Steelers Superbowl Game...8 receptions for 84 yards is a pretty good game against the top ranked Steelers D ...

[MagicianCamille]

Stallworth needs to be the #3 guy in my mind. He's got the speed, Housh doesn't. Housh doesn't bring anything new to the table, and he isn't as good as Derrick Mason either.

[berad]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1285969344' post='493691']
[b]I was just trying to clarify things.[/b]
Also, that should say ST's abilities, not SP(?)


I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
[/quote]

LOL, that's what I was trying to do, as well!

Someone said we should cut David Reed to make room for him [i](you just posed the idead of deactivating him, I know)[/i].

I think, most likely, Reed will be deactivated when Donte returns. You never know, though, in todays NFL, things change fast.

[Jabara]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1285994995' post='493965']
LOL, that's what I was trying to do, as well!

Someone said we should cut David Reed to make room for him [i](you just posed the idead of deactivating him, I know)[/i].

I think, most likely, Reed will be deactivated when Donte returns. You never know, though, in todays NFL, things change fast.
[/quote]
That's one of the things that troubles me. Stallworth can return punts, but Reed has been good at defending on ST's.
I guess it depends on how many WR's we tend to activate on the 45 man roster. Reed will be back, most likely when or before Stallworth is back, do we cut Hamlin? Or just leave him on the 53 man roster?
I don't know how coaches sleep at night, I guess that's what I'm getting at.

[berad]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1285995446' post='493969']
That's one of the things that troubles me. Stallworth can return punts, but Reed has been good at defending on ST's.
I guess it depends on how many WR's we tend to activate on the 45 man roster. Reed will be back, most likely when or before Stallworth is back, do we cut Hamlin? Or just leave him on the 53 man roster?
I don't know how coaches sleep at night, I guess that's what I'm getting at.
[/quote]

Yeah, Hamlin is probably gone when Ed Reed returns. No need to carry 5 safeties, especially when Hamlin hasn't been all that impressive in the first place. Hamlin actually plays on ST, though, which adds to his value. Still, I can't see us carrying 5..

I would have trouble benching David Reed, too. He's been pretty good on ST coverage, both kicks and punts. He offers minimal value at WR, though, whereas Stallworth is proven.

Tough decisions. I want to talk to the guy who says John Harbaugh is just along for the ride..

[JEEPercreepermd]

When Stallworth comes back, he's definitely our #4 receiver which means we probably won't see much of him, but I would like to just once see the offense come out with an empty backfield with Boldin, Mason, Housh, Stallworth and Heap

[Jabara]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' timestamp='1285998094' post='493988']
When Stallworth comes back, he's definitely our #4 receiver which means we probably won't see much of him, but I would like to just once see the offense come out with an empty backfield with Boldin, Mason, Housh, Stallworth and Heap
[/quote]
I agree, I've thought that over a million times.
I think most of us all would want to see that, however it seems unrealistic. I think that is the goal though, or at least ideal. But really it's almost a red zone or first down formation. If there is not enough to block for us, how far can the throw really go?
But if you look at the 3rd TD Boldin scored for us, it was under an intense blitz that our O line picked up. It was a beautiful pass, and you can only assume Joe and Boldin have practiced that a thousand times.
That was such an amazing play, that people that don't respect Joe should watch that play over again because he had an open receiver, I forget who, but he noticed Boldin had beat his man down field, so it wasn't just a 10 yard gain, but a long TD.
Flacco is getting there, I just wish most would see what is actually going on.
People complain about him not making quick reads, well that was a quick read, whether it looked like it or not, that resulted in an amazingly thrown TD, not just 10 yards.
What I'm trying to say is that I think that was a bigger play then most fans realize, because it was perfectly executed and successful.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Any Ideas What Happens When Stallworth Comes Back?

I expect to see him scorch the field and score more than a few TDs. I feel that Stalls has it in his mind that he owes the organization for giving him an opportunity, and the best way that he can thank them is in his production. Regardless of his past mistakes, the man is truly a class act and proud to be a Raven!

[Shawn`]

I think it's a real battle between Housh and Stallworth for that slot spot , it's stiff competition.

In my opinion, both of these guys are well overqualified for the #3 or #4 roles but hey, it's about the team effort and I really can't see Flacco going wrong with throwing to any of these guys in an empty backfield.

[BloodRaven]

I'd rather see Housh in slot, or even Mason.