Housh (Still) Disappointed With Role

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1288967418' post='527820']
Well he has 9 catches on 25 targets and a lot of PI's have been thrown at the CB/S covering him.

Honestly, I would like us to run the ball more than anything.
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yep, succesfully running the ball is really the key to win down the stretch. However, you have to at least pass the ball well before we can run.

Generally, when we see our running game starts to spark, we have to keep pounding at it until it starts on fire.

[Jamal]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1288967418' post='527820']
Well he has 9 catches on 25 targets and a lot of PI's have been thrown at the CB/S covering him.

Honestly, I would like us to run the ball more than anything.
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Other than the Bengals game, Cam has actually been very balanced. You could bring up the Bills game, but we were playing from behind for most of that game.

[purple.n.black]

Maybe for Cam he has been balanced. But I watch so many other teams lining up in 3-5 WR sets often. They throw to their 3rd and 4th string WRs like it is nothing. Now I think for our play style 5 WR sets would not fit, at least not often. But certainly 4 and 3 more often. Utilizing some of these targets. I always really notice when TJ makes a catch. Much more than when Mason or Boldin do. It should not be that way. I notice it more because he is not fully incorporated into the offense. He is just there, and he is hardly there.

[Jamal]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1288974688' post='527882']
Maybe for Cam he has been balanced. But I watch so many other teams lining up in 3-5 WR sets often. They throw to their 3rd and 4th string WRs like it is nothing. Now I think for our play style 5 WR sets would not fit, at least not often. But certainly 4 and 3 more often. Utilizing some of these targets. I always really notice when TJ makes a catch. Much more than when Mason or Boldin do. It should not be that way. I notice it more because he is not fully incorporated into the offense. He is just there, and he is hardly there.
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But you're bringing up something totally different. He brings balance in terms of run to pass ratio. But that doesn't mean his pass or run plays are any good.

I don't really have a problem with his run plays. I think teams try to take out our running game, and dare Flacco to beat them. Hes on his way, but when Flacco leaves little to no doubt, he can win games by himself, teams will start backing off.

But the pass plays are a different story. We definitely need see more spread out plays. Now that Stallworth might be back, I'd love to see 4 WR sets, but I have no clue what Cam plans on doing.

[HDG-52]

Man please somebody give TJ the football , I mean damn . The guy did come here to get some catches and that he should , yeah he dropped a couple but everyone does . Bottom line is that he should be thrown to more than he has been but he also has to be open . There is enough ball to satisfy everybody in a 60 minute game . Please throw TJ the ball !!!!

[reediddy]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1288967418' post='527820']
Well he has 9 catches on 25 targets and a lot of PI's have been thrown at the CB/S covering him.

Honestly, I would like us to run the ball more than anything.
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Thanks for bringing up the stats, I was actually wondering how many targets he had gotten through the first few weeks. 7 games, 25 targets, so a little more than 3 targets a game. Not enough, IMO, but at the same time yes we have to be more committed to the run game. Personally I'm quick to cite the fact that we have 3 Pro Bowl WRs...but at the same time we have 3 Pro bowl running backs as well (even though that was with Lo Neal who I still miss greatly). The fact is, the running game is more critical to the success of a team and we need to get back to it. When it's established, our WRs will be able to make a bigger impact

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

At the end of the day, TJ has stats which show he can play a big part in an offense, but that isn't his role here so far. I agree that the lack of seeing his name is frustrating, but we can't throw 3 or 4 WRs out there on regular occasion. It wouldn't work in trying to pull off a trick run, I seem to think that our ground game is a LOT better when McClain is a lead blocker than when Rice or McGahee is on his own to find a seam.

[purple.n.black]

Balance is not just running sometimes and passing the other. There has to be balance within each. One tailback, one TE, or two WRs catching the ball is not balanced. I am in no way screaming for the ball to get spread fairly equally between 5 WR 3 TE 2 HB and a FB. But some more distribution could be beneficial

[flynismo]

When you're catching around 38-40% of the passes thrown your way, you have no business demanding more playing time.

[PuRock]

I think once Stallworth can prove he's back and able to play at a competitive speed. We might just release Housh. Leaving us with Boldin, Mason and Stallworth as the primary receivers and if something happens to one of them, Reed and Marcus Smith will need to step up.

I don't know why Housh is saying all this stuff, it isn't like he is secure on our roster.

[reediddy]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1288990920' post='528072']
I think once Stallworth can prove he's back and able to play at a competitive speed. We might just release Housh. Leaving us with Boldin, Mason and Stallworth as the primary receivers and if something happens to one of them, Reed and Marcus Smith will need to step up.

I don't know why Housh is saying all this stuff, it isn't like he is secure on our roster.
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If I was running the FO, hypothetically of course, I'd probably prefer Houshmandzadeh to Stallworth. But of course let's see how he does in his first few games back.

Where is David Reed? Thought he was gonna be the next Steve Smith

[PuRock]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1288992571' post='528081']
If I was running the FO, hypothetically of course, I'd probably prefer Houshmandzadeh to Stallworth. But of course let's see how he does in his first few games back.
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Where is David Reed? Thought he was gonna be the next Steve Smith[/b]
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From a comparison standpoint , I'd much rather Housh. But when you look from a team's need prospective. Housh is our 3rd possession guy and Stallworth is the only pure stretch the field guy. Plus with the recent voiced displeasures of Housh, which can serve as a distraction, the better fit for this team is Stallworth. But he still needs to prove he can still cut it on the field.

Grasshopper needs time. He was a 5th round pick and WR normally take a couple years to progress. Plus we are so stacked ahead of him, that he hasn't gotten much of an opportunity. I didn't expect much from Reed when we drafted him, I was more hoping that he would be of more use maybe in a year or two.

[flynismo]

Reed is killing it on my Madden franchise. Two punt returns for a TD, two KR for a TD, and I'm only in week nine.Freaking Eric Wright laid him out on a return, now he's out for three weeks. :grr:

[CapoRocky]

If Housh never caught another pass after the Steelers game, then I'd still have him on my wallpaper. That was one of the greatest catches that any Ravens receivers has every made since 1996. Flacco deserves the credit for beating the cover 2 on that play. Tell the critics to shut up. We are going to the Super Bowl this year.

[JohnJohnson]

Whoever talked to him probably overestimated his catches, 50-60 would be hard as a third receiver. Maybe he was misled a little bit, but he should know that a team will say things like that if they really want you. The truth is, we would be in a bad spot if we lost Mason or Boldin to injury, even for a couple of games, and didn't have Housh. What if it happened in the playoffs? I understand that he isn't satisfied with being third, but Boldin is best and Mason has chemistry with Flacco and is a part of this offense already.

[CapoRocky]

I think that the armchair QBs are making too much out of this. What's next, Stallworth complaining about riding the pines? Just pass the ball when they are open and we'll sit back and enjoy another win. In between, hand off to Rice and McGahee. Not to mention, the occasional pass to Heap. There aren't enough footballs to make every receiver happy. I wouldn't give up on Houshmandzadeh. He may be a starter after Mason retires. Unfortunately, he will command a big salary if we don't lock him up before the end of the season. We won't compete for him on the FA market, as was seen when he last was looking for work.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1289002323' post='528164']
I think that the armchair QBs are making too much out of this. What's next, Stallworth complaining about riding the pines? Just pass the ball when they are open and we'll sit back and enjoy another win. In between, hand off to Rice and McGahee. Not to mention, the occasional pass to Heap. There aren't enough footballs to make every receiver happy. I wouldn't give up on Houshmandzadeh. He may be a starter after Mason retires. [b]Unfortunately, he will command a big salary if we don't lock him up before the end of the season.[/b] We won't compete for him on the FA market, as was seen when he last was looking for work.
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No, he won't. He's a posession WR well into his 30s. Teams aren't going to pay much for his services.

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1288989550' post='528062']
When you're catching around 38-40% of the passes thrown your way, you have no business demanding more playing time.
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I am pretty sure he has drawn more PI calls than anyone on our team. And many of them have been very long. A PI call is just as effective as a catch with no YAC. And he has used his skill getting open forcing defenders to draw PI calls.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1289005028' post='528208']
I am pretty sure he has drawn more PI calls than anyone on our team. And many of them have been very long. A PI call is just as effective as a catch with no YAC. And he has used his skill getting open forcing defenders to draw PI calls.
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While also dropping a ton of footballs...

[CapoRocky]

I think that the coverage was responsible for several of his "drops."

[1/28/01]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1289005396' post='528213']
I think that the coverage was responsible for several of his "drops."
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Yeah, when the ball hits you right in the hands or you don't win numerous jump balls its clearly the coverage. [/sarcasm]

[CapoRocky]

Yeah, and they say that New York fans are tough on their players.

[omar586]

people i wish u just shut up, we're 5-2, not 1-6 or 2-5 like u know who,

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1289018495' post='528300']
people i wish u just shut up, we're 5-2, not 1-6 or 2-5 like u know who,
[/quote]

You wish people on a forum would shut up. LOL

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289019426' post='528308']<br />You wish people on a forum would shut up. LOL<br />[/quote]


LMAO!

This would be a dull place if we all thought the same way, that's for sure

[flynismo]

Do pass interference calls even count in the stat line?

[Rav'n Maniac]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289019426' post='528308']
You wish people on a forum would shut up. LOL
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Still laughing. Classic!

[Rav'n Maniac]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289041700' post='528342']
Do pass interference calls even count in the stat line?
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Only in the "almost a catch" category which I believe is separate from the "drops" category.

[PurpleChaos]

I'm not a fan of whining players but can't complain on this one. A few ways to look at this...
We totally could be using him alot more and the guy has shown he's all about winning
Then on the other hand when he was "available" he should have seen the writing on the wall with Mason and Q already being here and may have selected another team where he could be more of "the guy"
Regardless I'll give him a pass being that he isn't a diva and is just a competitor.

[flynismo]

,[quote name='PurpleChaos' timestamp='1289049065' post='528364']<br />I'm not a fan of whining players but can't complain on this one.  A few ways to look at this...<br />We totally could be using him alot more and the guy has shown he's all about winning<br />Then on the other hand when he was &quot;available&quot; he should have seen the writing on the wall with Mason and Q already being here and may have selected another team where he could be more of &quot;the guy&quot;<br />Regardless I'll give him a pass  being that he isn't a diva and is just a competitor.<br />[/quote]

yeah, I try hard to brush his comments off, simply because the guy is frustrated and wants to be a part of this team.

But, at the same time, if you know that you do not articulate yourself very well (and TJ knows that he does not), why keep throwing yourself to the sharks? If he has issues, take it to the people that matter, not the first guy that approaches you with a mic in his hand.,,,,,,,,