Housh (Still) Disappointed With Role

[I AM LEGEND]

This is [i]<freaking>[/i] ridiculous....first of all why in the world would they tell this guy he would get any amount of catches...WHY!?

Were the FO and coaches really sipping the Flacco juice that Much that they thought Flacco was gonna be able to spread the ball around to 3 diva'ish Wrs and a good TE...I could have told TJ that 60 catches were pipedreams..

I'm kinda speechless actually....trade him now while he's still shown he can be good as evident last week..

Just keep him away from the steelers or NE

[Terrellb2007]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1286569043' post='501994']
We've had this "discussion" before. Kelley wanted a bigger role and likely wasn't going to re-sign unless he was pretty much guaranteed more targets. I clearly remember him talking about not getting enough snaps after the Colts game.

And to you saying Kelley would be a better WR than Houshmandzadeh in the same role, how in the heck do you know that? Better quesiton, if Kelley was truly better than T.J., why couldn't he beat him out for a spot when they teammates in Cincy?
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Valid point but once he starts to get the feel of things and him and flacco gets that connection like Mason, and how Boldin has grown to get he will start to get in the mix because if receiver one isn't open and he is there's his chance he just has to be ready when his numbers called (in my Cam Cameron voice). I definitely won't go on the limb and say Kelley Washington is better, but we have a lot of weapons and it is good to use all of them because then defenses can't zero in on one target. I'm just eager to see how things pan out when Stallworth returns.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1286569377' post='501995']
This is [i]<freaking>[/i] ridiculous....first of all why in the world would they tell this guy he would get any amount of catches...WHY!?

Were the FO and coaches really sipping the Flacco juice that Much that they thought Flacco was gonna be able to spread the ball around to 3 diva'ish Wrs and a good TE...I could have told TJ that 60 catches were pipedreams..

I'm kinda speechless actually....trade him now while he's still shown he can be good as evident last week..

Just keep him away from the steelers or NE
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It's just like you to overreact to something like this.

I'm pretty sure teams promise potential FAs all kinds of things when they're wooing them. And how do we know it was the FO that promised Houshmandzadeh those stats? Ray was reportedly the one who called T.J. when he was released. For all we know, he might have said T.J. would be looking at 60 balls.

[theFRANCHISE]

I'd rather just have Housh not open his mouth, period. That way, none of us can interpret or misinterpret anything he's saying. [i]Housh[/i] should've had the media embargo, not Mason.

That said, we know Housh is a hot-head. Sure, he didn't [i]say[/i] he was unhappy and he certainly doesn't mean to hurt the team or create undue speculation...but we know he'll mouth off eventually.

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1286569917' post='502004']
It's just like you to overreact to something like this.

I'm pretty sure teams promise potential FAs all kinds of things when they're wooing them. And how do we know it was the FO that promised Houshmandzadeh those stats? Ray was reportedly the one who called T.J. when he was released. For all we know, he might have said T.J. would be looking at 60 balls.
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Yea becAuse we all know Ray would know how many catches are going to go around on Offense this year.....Smh

And you don't promise a potential 3rd Wr 60 catches on a run first team with a third year developing QB..period

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1286570080' post='502007']
Yea becAuse we all know Ray would know how many catches are going to go around on Offense this year.....Smh

And you don't promise a potential 3rd Wr 60 catches on a run first team with a third year developing QB..period
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Again, do you know who exactly promised Houshmandzadeh the catches? Ray has obviously been around football a long time. I could see him giving a rough estimate of the number T.J. should expect during their conversation.

Regardless, to me, this isn't a major issue. Hopefully, it never becomes one.

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1286570606' post='502012']
Again, do you know who exactly promised Houshmandzadeh the catches? Ray has obviously been around football a long time. I could see him giving a rough estimate of the number T.J. should expect during their conversation.

Regardless, to me, this isn't a major issue. Hopefully, it never becomes one.
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I dont know what's worse...
The fact that you even remotely believe Ray Lewis our MLB promised a FA WR a certain amount of catches for the year or that TJ would actually take the word of our MLB and sign a contract based of that...

Of course it didn't come from ray...that was obviously something that came from a coach most likely john or cam..

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1286570811' post='502017']
I dont know what's worse...
The fact that you even remotely believe Ray Lewis our MLB promised a FA WR a certain amount of catches for the year or that TJ would actually take the word of our MLB and sign a contract based of that...

Of course it didn't come from ray...that was obviously something that came from a coach most likely john or cam..
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I never said that's what I believe that's what happened but I won't dismiss it as a possibility because we as fans don't know who said what to T.J.

If it was either Harbaugh or Cam, I could care less. Like college recruiting, FAs are told all kinds of things before they sign the dotted line.

[I AM LEGEND]

Bottomline is I wouldn't be surprised if TJ was trying to work his way out of Baltimore.

The worse part is I couldve told him that this was most likely gonna be what the scenario would look like...

Like I said you got 2 weeks to trade him and you may be able to get a 5th rounded at the least...worst case scenario is he keeps Doing this and FO releases him and he goes to a competitor in the AFC...

[jaege]

Actually, he and Boldin tend to draw off the better CBs or earn double coverage so that tends to leave Mason open more or poorly covered. It is a shame, but it is sort of a compliment from the opposing team. If Housh and Q's reputation allows the team to win, that is a plus.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1286571607' post='502031']
Bottomline is I wouldn't be surprised if TJ was trying to work his way out of Baltimore.

The worse part is I couldve told him that this was most likely gonna be what the scenario would look like...

Like I said you got 2 weeks to trade him and you may be able to get a 5th rounded at the least[b]...worst case scenario is he keeps Doing this and FO releases him and he goes to a competitor in the AFC...[/b]
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That's not worst case scenario to me. With Stallworth looking like he'll be back immediately after the bye, I don't think the offense would miss a bit if Donte' slid in T.J.'s place.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1286571607' post='502031']
Bottomline is I wouldn't be surprised if TJ was trying to work his way out of Baltimore.

The worse part is I couldve told him that this was most likely gonna be what the scenario would look like...

Like I said you got 2 weeks to trade him and you may be able to get a 5th rounded at the least...worst case scenario is he keeps Doing this and FO releases him and he goes to a competitor in the AFC...
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I'll get Oz to run our potential FA pickups by you, so you can tell them the worst part and what their likely scenario is. These are truly some pearls of wisdom from someone who knows better than our GM.

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1286572218' post='502037']
I'll get Oz to run our potential FA pickups by you, so you can tell them the worst part and what their likely scenario is. These are truly some pearls of wisdom from someone who knows better than our GM.
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I notice you like a couple others follow me around and just try to be negative...like I said...if I have hurt ur feelings any time prior to this please try not and follow me around topic to topic

Thank you

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1286572143' post='502036']
That's not worst case scenario to me. With Stallworth looking like he'll be back immediately after the bye, I don't think the offense would miss a bit if Donte' slid in T.J.'s place.
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I think releasing TJ with no compensation knowing he's gonna find his way to a contender is dangerous...we could only hope he would leave the AFC..

And I would rather have TJ over stallworth at the 3..

[Shammy]

helle be ok if he makes more plays joe will feel more comfortable throwing to him

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1286572838' post='502044']
I think releasing TJ with no compensation knowing he's gonna find his way to a contender is dangerous...we could only hope he would leave the AFC..

And I would rather have TJ over stallworth at the 3..
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There's no guarantee a contender would pursue him if he was released. Teams weren't exactly beating down his door when he was released by the Seahawks.

At the three-yard line, I'd run the ball.

[reediddy]

Winning cures everything. He doesn't have room to complain because he is on a Super Bowl contending team and he is getting good opportunities. 1 of our 3 receivers will always be open because of the respect for all these guys. He has to understand that he will get his opportunities, but he is NOT the focal point of the offense. Yes you make plays, but we are a run first team and once we get our running game back to speed, defenses will have to respect the run more often, giving Housh a chance to make more plays. I'm glad we have the guy but he needs to quiet down and relish the opportunities given to him. Be glad you are on a contender

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='Shammy' timestamp='1286573398' post='502048']
helle be ok if he makes more plays joe will feel more comfortable throwing to him
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That's the thing...everybody kinda assumed that since he caught a game winning TD against the hated steelers..we wouldn't hear anything this week...

If a game winning TD against pitt to silence their crowd ain't enuff...I don't know what is...


And @ ed reed 20

3 referring to 3rd WR

[darklight1216]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1286573859' post='502054']
[b]Winning cures everything.[/b] He doesn't have room to complain because he is on a Super Bowl contending team and he is getting good opportunities. 1 of our 3 receivers will always be open because of the respect for all these guys. He has to understand that he will get his opportunities, but he is NOT the focal point of the offense. Yes you make plays, but we are a run first team and once we get our running game back to speed, defenses will have to respect the run more often, giving Housh a chance to make more plays. I'm glad we have the guy but he needs to quiet down and relish the opportunities given to him. Be glad you are on a contender
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That's why I thought we wouldn't hear anything out of him [i]at least[/i] until after Denver, but Housh disagrees.

[funky141]

TJ is a bad apple that is going to ruin the bushel.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1286590732' post='502150']
TJ is a bad apple that is going to ruin the bushel.
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I disagree. I don't think he is really complaining in the manner the media is trying to portray. He clearly states that he knew his opportunities would not be up there where he would like but that he felt once he produced the organization would give him more looks. After his performance against the Steelers he is hoping that he gets more opportunities in the future. The man wants to contribute. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. He states that he realizes he has to perform in order to get the ball more.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1286572685' post='502042']
I notice you like a couple others follow me around and just try to be negative...like I said...if I have hurt ur feelings any time prior to this please try not and follow me around topic to topic

Thank you
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I honestly don't think I've ever seen you here before.

[ravenanchors]

The problem with TJ complaining to the media is that it show's his true character as a person.
He is self-centered, egotistical and wants to be the center of attention.
If this is not true, Housh would not be speaking to the media, stirring up trouble and drawing attention to himself. Boldin and Mason have the correct attitude of hard work and sacrifice leads to a win.

Housh's attitude will become a problem in the locker room and on the field.
All you have to do is look at his past. It was the same exact problem in Cincinati and Seattle. These teams released him, because obviously, his attitude became a distraction to the team.

Some people are fooled by the words when Housh speaks. But his words betray him. It is funny that when he speaks to the media his whole conversation is about himself. He has not said one thing nice about being in Baltimore but he has said nice things about Cincinati.

I can't believe people actually say throw more passes to Housh. Housh is only catching 35 percent of the balls thrown his way. Why would a coach tell Flacco to throw more passes to Housh just to keep him happy. This kind of thinking makes no sense. You throw the ball to the receivers who are productive.

Trading Housh would not be a bad idea. I thing he should be traded to Buffalo or Jaguars.
Ravens would not miss him, with Stallworth coming back soon and David Reed could step in until then. David Reed couldn't possibly play any worse than Housh and The Ravens wouldn't lose any games because of his absence.

[Marc2k6]

T.j. loves to play football, he loves to be in the game. He is not interested in sitting around watching from the sideline looking at plays, he would rather be out there making plays. T.J. to me is just to honest with the media. If he was on the sideline sitting on the bench reading the Sunday paper instead of being concern with contributing to the game, would that be O.K.? The way i see it, we have 3 great WR's on this team and they all need to be part of the game plan. Make each defense we play attempt to cover all 3!

[JO_75]

We have a week for the Trade Deadline right... how about we re-open the Trade Portal between us and the NFC West and see who wants TJ! Or we could just be mean and send him to Buffalo!

In reality TJ will most likely be released when Stallworth is ready to come back plus we have to make room for Reed so I really don't see TJ lasting long, either when Stallworth comes back or when Reed comes back.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1286597222' post='502200']
We have a week for the Trade Deadline right... how about we re-open the Trade Portal between us and the NFC West and see who wants TJ! Or we could just be mean and send him to Buffalo!

In reality TJ will most likely be released when Stallworth is ready to come back plus we have to make room for Reed so I really don't see TJ lasting long, either when Stallworth comes back or when Reed comes back.
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I think that would be a mistake, Stallworth has never been consistent as a WR in any facet of the game. Although I personally think things like this should remain behind closed doors, Im also kind of inclined to agree with him to an extent...he should be getting the ball more and should be on the field more. Stallworth isnt going to say jack about getting 5 balls in 5 games because A) he's never sniffed being an elite receiver B ) he's a soft spoken person. Trading Stallworth for TJ outright does not make our team better. The Ravens organization dealt with the defense basically running the entire team from 1999-2008, I think they can deal with TJ wanting to CONTRIBUTE more. Thats all he wants...to contribute more.

[Jabara]

[quote name='Marc2k6' timestamp='1286594590' post='502178']
T.j. loves to play football, he loves to be in the game. He is not interested in sitting around watching from the sideline looking at plays, he would rather be out there making plays. T.J. to me is just to honest with the media. If he was on the sideline sitting on the bench reading the Sunday paper instead of being concern with contributing to the game, would that be O.K.? The way i see it, we have 3 great WR's on this team and they all need to be part of the game plan. Make each defense we play attempt to cover all 3!
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I agree, and the media will take whatever it can get and spin it into a bigger deal than it is, just to sell some advertisements, or get some hits on a website, which is also used to gain ads for the site, which brings money to the site, same with newspapers, stores, billboards, slurpees, movies, magazines, buses, tv, you name it, etc.
It's a sick circus, actually.


Media personas need to let us think for ourselves, stop trying to be everyone's psychologist and let the man play football.

[flynismo]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1286568625' post='501988']This is why I was so adament about the team signing KELLEY WASHINGTON.<br /><br />Sorry, but Kelley would be just as good of a receiver as TJ... [/quote]


I stopped reading right there.
Sorry, I love Kelley too, but that's a bit much.

[flynismo]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1286597222' post='502200']<br />We have a week for the Trade Deadline right... how about we re-open the Trade Portal between us and the NFC West and see who wants TJ! Or we could just be mean and send him to Buffalo!<br /><br />In reality TJ will most likely be released when Stallworth is ready to come back plus we have to make room for Reed so I really don't see TJ lasting long, either when Stallworth comes back or when Reed comes back.<br />[/quote]


No, we're not dropping TJ just because The Human Hamstring is coming back, lol

[flynismo]

[quote name='ravenanchors' timestamp='1286594223' post='502176']<br />The problem with TJ complaining to the media is that it show's his true character as a person.<br />He is self-centered, egotistical and wants to be the center of attention.<br />If this is not true, Housh would not be speaking to the media, stirring up trouble and drawing attention to himself.  Boldin and Mason have the correct attitude of hard work and sacrifice leads to a win.>[/quote]


It's funny how you can say that about TJ, then in the very next sentence mention Boldin and Mason, both of whom are also very vocal about not getting the ball enough when they feel that is the case.