Housh (Still) Disappointed With Role

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I, like many, was worried about TJ's outspoken nature when he came to our team. Like countless others have said, you can't expect to come into an offence with established receivers like Mason, Rice, Heap, plus a catch machine in Boldin, and expect 10 targets per game - especially when you are least familar with our systems of any of those players.

[BloodRaven]

We need to get him involved, blocking, 3rd downs, you can't convince me we're better without him than with him. Cincy game aside he's just too good not to utilise.

[big hits and ball hawks]

I can't argue with him already having opportunities and everyone who says that maybe he shouldn't speak to the media has a good point because whether he is actually disappointed with his role, which I can't fully side with, or if it is just a media trap he's still not looking good to fans. Especially since he's yet to do anything real big. I also agree with everything BloodRaven said, even if he's not getting the passes as long as he's involved then there's not much to complain about. I personally think making a key block, which he could do, on a third down run is just as good as making a catch for the first down. As long as he helps the team in some way.

I thought bringing him here would set up a pick your poison deal with defenses, and I know he's been out there and he's new to the offense, and to me i feel like the only time that has come up was the first game. It didn't really work the second game but we should have run the ball more I don't care if Rice got "half" the touches and there are other things that went into it, but I'm trying to forget and get passed that game as much as possible. For the last game it was just Boldin's game, their defense couldn't cover him. There's no reason for Housh to not figure that somewhere down the line he could have a game like that and I thought he had said when he first got here that he knew that sometimes it'll be all Boldin, all Mase, or all him. Of course Heap and Rice and our other weapons are in that too.

Anyway, I'm not ready to give up on him after just 3 weeks and jump on the release/trade him bandwagons. Though, I do know he's going to have to produce in his future opportunities.

Sorry for another long comment.

[ravensdfan]

He did have opportunities and dropped some passes that he should have caught. Still, if you read the entire thing I just get the impression the man wants to play and make a difference. He took full responsibility for the passes he dropped BTW. Timing between a WR and QB takes time and he hasn't been here that long. It will come. I think patience is just not a virtue Housh possesses that's all.

[hammer]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1286019497' post='494022']
He did have opportunities and dropped some passes that he should have caught. Still, if you read the entire thing I just get the impression the man wants to play and make a difference. He took full responsibility for the passes he dropped BTW. Timing between a WR and QB takes time and he hasn't been here that long. It will come. I think patience is just not a virtue Housh possesses that's all.
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I recently overheard someone state the opinion that [b]"if you don't bother to vote - then you shouldn't bother to complain."[/b] That opinion is trying to state that the power of change is in your own hands - not your complaining.

Well, I sense the same deliema in Housh's whining. [b]"If you don't catch the ball - stop bitc#%ing."[/b] There is a performance penalty for dropping passes (especially 4 in one game). That's only fair. We need to ([i]and should be[/i]) be targeting recievers who actually catch the ball.

[b]Sorry Housh, but the power of change is in your own hands - or lack thereof (pun intended).[/b]

[12th man]

I'm hoping this game against the stelers will be a game were we can use TJ more he's tuff and he can go over the middle and Joe needs to get passes out fast i would look for TJ alot in this situation or TE Heap might need him for blocking or rookie Te. Tj did drop some passes but being new to how joe throws I'll let is slide but he needs to make these plays, that catch he made on 3rd down to move the chains in the browns game was great we needed that catch it was one of the most important catches of the game. So i say cam TJ is the man this week use him!!!

[J-man]

I kinda wish we had Clayton back...

[ravenanchors]

I would like to see housh catch more balls. At least the ones that are thrown to him. Until he does and until he proves he can play 3rd receiver, it would not be wise to game plan around him. Ravens made that mistake against CinCin and we lost.

Housh may have to be depended on more against the Steelers. This is the game that he has to show he can help the Ravens win. It is this type of game where the opposition will try to take away Boldin and Rice. Housh can definetly help us win if he steps up and catches the balls thrown his way.

It did not bother me too much that he dropped so many passes since he is the 3rd receiver and new to the team, until he started speaking to the media. And I don't believe it was a media trap. Any time you give Housh a microphone, he will run his yap. That is his history with other teams.

The facts are that Hush is not productive yet and there is no evidence to support the claim that Housh is better than Stallworth or that Stallworth is better. Once Stallworth returns I am sure there will be a competition between the two to see who remains as 3rd receiver. Housh can really help himself by helping the Ravens win against the Steelers.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

I have a feeling this sunday he will be a BIG factor , and the steelers should be worried , he has more yards against them then any reciever in the AFC north. he wont be a second fiddle look for housh to get a td this week then he will be happy

[darklight1216]

[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' timestamp='1286034923' post='494087']
I have a feeling this sunday he will be a BIG factor , and the steelers should be worried , [b]he has more yards against them then any reciever in the AFC north.[/b] he wont be a second fiddle look for housh to get a td this week then he will be happy
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But that's basically just T.J, Ocho, and Mason right?

Regardless, I think if the offensive line can keep Joe Flacco on his feet, Housh could have a good game since he seems hungry.

[Alexir]

He's letting the opportunities literally slip through his hands.

[berad]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1286037636' post='494105']
But that's basically just T.J, Ocho, and Mason right?
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I would say Todd Heap would have a shot, too. He's been in the division as long as TJ and Ocho, he could be close to the top.

Good to know that Houshmandzadeh has had success against them, though.

[birdbrain57]

Nothing wrong with "honesty", but Housh has only been here for 4 weeks.
Hopefully, he will be careful with comments that could be construed as counterproductive. He'll get his chance. Just shut up and do your job.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1286047162' post='494197']
I would say Todd Heap would have a shot, too. He's been in the division as long as TJ and Ocho, he could be close to the top.

Good to know that Houshmandzadeh has had success against them, though.
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Heap isn't a receiver...

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1286059308' post='494274']
Heap isn't a receiver...
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He catches pass though...

[berad]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1286059308' post='494274']
Heap isn't a receiver...
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He's not a [i]wide[/i] receiver, no, but I didn't think that "receiver" was an exclusive term for wideouts. As someone else said, he does catch passes.

I didn't know that the original post was specific to only wide receivers.

[Shawn`]

Housh can't honestly expect to come in right before the season starts and catch 10 passes a game, can he?

It takes a while to get acquainted to the system, he should know this when he picked to come here as a 3rd string slot receiver in a run first offense.

[darklight1216]

T.J. is still not a happy camper.

[quote]"Q [Anquan Boldin] is going to be happy. That’s just the reality of it," Houshmandzadeh said. "Q and [tight end Todd] Heap, they’re going to get their balls. They brought Q in, they gave up draft picks and gave him a nice contract. They’re going to find ways to get him the ball. I can appreciate that because I thought that’s what I was getting [in Seattle]. I wish it was me. But it’s not."[/quote]
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/10/houshmandzadeh_continues_to_express_disappointment_over_role.html

Look at my first post for an update.

[Shawn`]

Ugh, this situation can get pretty ugly.

The last thing Flacco needs is Housh pestering him to force the ball to him, leading to him losing track of his reads.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Shawn`' timestamp='1286564754' post='501954']
Ugh, this situation can get pretty ugly.

The last thing Flacco needs is Housh pestering him to force the ball to him, leading to him losing track of his reads.
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Considering how quickly this issue is progressing (and I'm not calling it a big issue just yet) it seems like it might only be a matter of time before he calls Flacco out publicly.

Hopefully, I'm just reading him completely incorrectly, though.

Lol, can he and Mason switch places about talking to the press? Now that Mason is talking, Housh can stop.

[BloodRaven]

So what happens? we cut him and he goes back to the Bengals? we could just move him to the Jags or something for a 6th.

I don't think we have to target him 10 times a game to keep him happy, just spread the ball around and give him some opportunities to prove he's right.

[hawkprey]

Housh should be getting more balls. It would help the offense out to spread the ball more. Defenses wouldn't know who to roll coverage to. He just has to learn to keep it out of the press.

[Ravensfan23]

I think you guys are over reacting a little here. I know as soon as people hear or see a WR "unhappy" they think it's a bad thing. It's not, you actually want guys that want the ball, and Housh, Mase, and Q are those type of guys. Those guys are all used to being #1 guys or #2 in pass happy offenses at the worse. TJ is a guy that has had atleast 75 recs each of the last 5 years, and right now he has 5.

Right now the offense isn't taking off like everyone thought, and all these guys think that could be the spark to get us going. I think over the next few weeks heading into the bye week, the offense will start to take off and all of these guy will be happy or atleast content.

Remember, both Mason and TJ knew what they were getting into when they signed with the Ravens this season. It's not like the Ravens traded for those guys. Mason knew Boldin would be the #1 guy, and TJ had to know that he wouldn't see much action early on. All these guys have to do is take advantage of the opportunities given. Housh dropped at least 3 big plays in the Cincy game that might have lead to points and a win.

Like i've said before, it's tough to expect a team full of new parts to jell and click against top 5-10 defenses in the first 4 weeks of the season. The quality of play from the defenses we have coming up will allow these guys to make plays in the passing game more often and we might just see an offensive explosion like we haven't seen in Baltimore for a long time.

[SnOoPy]

He's just telling the truth. Who wouldn't want to be the #1 WR.

[BloodRaven]

Heres the rest:

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/10/houshmandzadeh_continues_to_express_disappointment_over_role.html

[Moderator 3]

People need to READ the link. Housh never says that he's unhappy. He admits he knew what the situation was going in. He does sort of say that he hopes it'll change, but nowhere in that story does he say he's sorry for coming here or anything like that.

[edreedfromtheu]

This is why I was so adament about the team signing KELLEY WASHINGTON.

Sorry, but Kelley would be just as good of a receiver as TJ... AND, he can actually go up in the air and catch the ball over defenders. He provides a much better target for red-zone situations, and 3rd downs.

TJ dropped a 3rd down conversion in the first half that would have put the Ravens in field goal range and kept the drive alive. I was yelling "THAT'S why you don't get the ball more" in the bar. Everyone laughed at the time. Then he came back at the end of the game and caught two key passes that ended up winning the game.

But still, I would rather have Kelley Washington, or at this point... even Mark Clayton or Demetrius Williams(if they can stay healthy). TJ needs to shut up. He hasn't earned the right to talk. At least Mason has earned the right to talk.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1286568529' post='501986']
People need to READ the link. Housh never says that he's unhappy. He admits he knew what the situation was going in. He does sort of say that he hopes it'll change, but nowhere in that story does he say he's sorry for coming here or anything like that.
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Exactly, just another example of this board blowing something out of proportion.

[Terrellb2007]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1286565999' post='501967']
I think you guys are over reacting a little here. I know as soon as people hear or see a WR "unhappy" they think it's a bad thing. It's not, you actually want guys that want the ball, and Housh, Mase, and Q are those type of guys. Those guys are all used to being #1 guys or #2 in pass happy offenses at the worse. TJ is a guy that has had atleast 75 recs each of the last 5 years, and right now he has 5.

Right now the offense isn't taking off like everyone thought, and all these guys think that could be the spark to get us going. I think over the next few weeks heading into the bye week, the offense will start to take off and all of these guy will be happy or atleast content.

Remember, both Mason and TJ knew what they were getting into when they signed with the Ravens this season. It's not like the Ravens traded for those guys. Mason knew Boldin would be the #1 guy, and TJ had to know that he wouldn't see much action early on. All these guys have to do is take advantage of the opportunities given. Housh dropped at least 3 big plays in the Cincy game that might have lead to points and a win.

Like i've said before, it's tough to expect a team full of new parts to jell and click against top 5-10 defenses in the first 4 weeks of the season. The quality of play from the defenses we have coming up will allow these guys to make plays in the passing game more often and we might just see an offensive explosion like we haven't seen in Baltimore for a long time.
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I agree.

"I was shocked that I played as much as I did in the first and second game," he said. "I wouldn’t say that got me greedy, but then I expected it, so to speak. But then I didn't play much against Cleveland."

He said that in so many words. He didn't expect to get the ball as much as he did so the only game he was a little disappointed about is the Cleveland game. I only think that he was a little more eager that game because he wanted to redeem himself for the dropped passes in Cincy. The more greedy they are the more competitive they are and less passes will touch the ground because they are going to fight for it regardless and I feel sorry for any DB who gets in the way because they are going to Mike Tyson his fingers off to get it.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1286568625' post='501988']
This is why I was so adament about the team signing KELLEY WASHINGTON.

Sorry, but Kelley would be just as good of a receiver as TJ... AND, he can actually go up in the air and catch the ball over defenders. He provides a much better target for red-zone situations, and 3rd downs.

TJ dropped a 3rd down conversion in the first half that would have put the Ravens in field goal range and kept the drive alive. I was yelling "THAT'S why you don't get the ball more" in the bar. Everyone laughed at the time. Then he came back at the end of the game and caught two key passes that ended up winning the game.

But still, I would rather have Kelley Washington, or at this point... even Mark Clayton or Demetrius Williams(if they can stay healthy). TJ needs to shut up. He hasn't earned the right to talk. At least Mason has earned the right to talk.
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We've had this "discussion" before. Kelley wanted a bigger role and likely wasn't going to re-sign unless he was pretty much guaranteed more targets. I clearly remember him talking about not getting enough snaps after the Colts game.

And to you saying Kelley would be a better WR than Houshmandzadeh in the same role, how in the heck do you know that? Better quesiton, if Kelley was truly better than T.J., why couldn't he beat him out for a spot when they teammates in Cincy?