What Does The League Do About Complaints From Teams?

[McBoller]

Specifically the two HORRIBLE roughing the ballerina calls against the Ravens on Sunday. Harbs says they will send the film with questions as to why those plays were flagged.
Now is the league seriously going to ever admit that the calls were wrong. In some instances it seems like they'd have to because a referee just plain blew a call. But it seems to me like 9 times out of 10 they are going to try to justify the calls, emphasize it to the officials and thus make those calls more prevalent so as not to have excessive confliction amongst different crews(though there already is and always will be)

[Ed_Reed20]

The league doesn't have to say anything and they probably won't. Former NFL chief official Mike Pereira saying the Suggs call was wrong is satisfying enough for me: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/09/ex-nfl-chief-official-mike-pereira-ravens-unfairly-penalized-for-roughing-the-passer-vs-bengals/1

The team lost and not just because of those calls. Let's move onto Cleveland.

[berad]

My guess:

I don't think I've ever seen the NFL come out and say the calls were wrong and issue an apology, they'll always stand by their guys. I've seen individual referees apologize, but that's different. Probably the closest you will get is Mike Pereira saying the call was wrong.. and that doesn't count because he doesn't work for the NFL in that capacity any longer.

More likely, they'll address it at the end-of-the-year competition committee meetings and see if they can get a rule change. It sucks, but that's how the system works.

[flaccopoe]

If I had $1 for every bad call a referee made... the NFL won't apologize. Besides, there's only so much they can do. Every referee messes up sometimes. It sucks, but that's life...

[I AM LEGEND]

Well basically the best case scenario is......the league sends the Ravens a "my bad" or in other words an apology.


I mean who wouldn't want a "my bad" for two plays that help ruin a game for your team

[bmorefan444]

But now that group of refs has to continue to flag plays like that so they are consistent!

[Ravensdiciple96]

I mean not trying to sound ignorant, but what difference does it really make?? It's not like they can go back and do anything about to make the out come any different! Now I know I'm not the only one who is seeing a trend year in and year out how the Ravens are always catching some huge BS calls!! That one ref needs to call Harbs and thank him for not going upside his head!!

[Alexir]

Complaints from the Steelers get directly forwarded to Roger's blackberry.

Complaints from the Ravens get directly forwarded to Roger's bathroom where they are wrapped around the TP roll.....

[TXRaven]

Nothing, they will send us a letter saying "We are sorry", but that does not change the outcome at all.

[McBoller]

[quote name='Ravensdiciple96' timestamp='1285129212' post='485583']
I mean not trying to sound ignorant, but what difference does it really make?? It's not like they can go back and do anything about to make the out come any different! Now I know I'm not the only one who is seeing a trend year in and year out how the Ravens are always catching some huge BS calls!! That one ref needs to call Harbs and thank him for not going upside his head!!
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I know, thats why Im asking. There has to be a reason why teams do this. If it just gets taken from the mailbox to the trash at the NFL offices then what is the point?

[McBoller]

the other thing I would like to know is what would happen if a bad call actually caused a game winning score?
Example: Team with the ball is leading by 1 point at their own 1 yd line. No timeouts so they cant take a knee to run out the clock. Other team is LOADING up against the run and you dont want to take a safety so you pass out of the end zone and a HORRIBLE holding call is made resulting in a safety and a win for the other team?

This is the only way I can see a call causing a score. Even a PI i the end zone only gives you a 1st and goal at the one. You still have to punch it in.

Im thinking this would cause an immediate mutiny, lol.

[SteelersProphet]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1285134650' post='485630']
Complaints from the Steelers get directly forwarded to Roger's blackberry.

Complaints from the Ravens get directly forwarded to Roger's bathroom where they are wrapped around the TP roll.....
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yea obviously the commish is in our pocket, i loved how he suspended our two time world champion QB for unproven allegations

i just wish we can keep that corruption going..............

[Moderator 3]

Note on missing posts: you were right...we are not going to debate THAT subject again. Let's please stick to the subject of this thread.

[EdReedFTW]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1285134650' post='485630']
Complaints from the [b]COLTS [/b]get directly forwarded to Roger's blackberry.

Complaints from the Ravens get directly forwarded to Roger's bathroom where they are wrapped around the TP roll.....
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There, I fixed it for you.

[WinnipegRaven]

One thing the league does is reviews complaints which leads to ref's getting explanations of the rules etc etc. In the end, when refs blow calls or make erroneous calls it can weigh against that particular reffing crew as they are graded throughout the season to determine which crews deserve to call the playoff/sb games.

[edreedfromtheu]

If the complaint comes from the Ravens, they probably just ignore it. If it comes from Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or anyone affiliated with those organizations... they usually drop their pants and bend over.

Although, the league DID eventually stroke the Ravens a little bit by finally not making them play in Pittsburgh in a night game and actually reversed it so that the Ravens finally got a prime time game AT HOME against their division rivals.

But the Cowboys asked to close their stadium out against us, they got it. The Jets asked to open against us, they got it. Peyton cries about placement of the officials, and they are already considering changing it even without a full season of the current way.

I guess we'll see what happens when the Steelers take some ACTUAL dirty shots at Flacco(it will happen, guaranteed), and see if they get called. If they DO, perhaps the league IS listening to the Ravens. And then Week 17... if the Bengals get handed another game in the 4th quarter by the officials... that will be what I'm waiting for.

[CorvusCorax]

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What Does The League Do About Complaints From Teams?
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Please place your NFL complaint here:

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[theFRANCHISE]

Any complaints sent to the league are reviewed, with the findings delivered to each team a few days thereafter. All the league can do is explain why a call may have been made and will only issue private apologies when warranted. They cannot reverse the decision of any game, as the idea is that, even on a game-changing play, no game is ever decided by one call or non-call; in theory, if one team does their job better than the other, that team should win by a decisive enough margin of victory to where an officiating mistake should not be the difference on the scoreboard. However, this isn't a perfect world and we know that's far from reality.

These calls are taken into consideration when evaluating each official and their crew on their weekly performance. These performances then determine the officials that will have the privilege of working playoff games, thereby offering paid incentive to do their jobs to the best of their ability. The assignment of these games are then determined by the officials that had the highest grades by the end of the regular season, with the highest-graded crew getting to work the Super Bowl.

[Shawn`]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1285115475' post='485410']
My guess:

I don't think I've ever seen the NFL come out and say the calls were wrong and issue an apology, they'll always stand by their guys. I've seen individual referees apologize, but that's different. Probably the closest you will get is Mike Pereira saying the call was wrong.. and that doesn't count because he doesn't work for the NFL in that capacity any longer.

More likely, they'll address it at the end-of-the-year competition committee meetings and see if they can get a rule change. It sucks, but that's how the system works.
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That animation pretty much sums it up.

[McBoller]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1285171066' post='485812']
Any complaints sent to the league are reviewed, with the findings delivered to each team a few days thereafter. All the league can do is explain why a call may have been made and will only issue private apologies when warranted. They cannot reverse the decision of any game, as the idea is that, even on a game-changing play, [b]no game is ever decided by one call or non-call[/b]; in theory, if one team does their job better than the other, that team should win by a decisive enough margin of victory to where an officiating mistake should not be the difference on the scoreboard. However, this isn't a perfect world and we know that's far from reality.


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Im not saying it has or hasnt happened(I dont think it has) but it COULD. See my above post

"Example: Team with the ball is leading by 1 point at their own 1 yd line. No timeouts so they cant take a knee to run out the clock. Other team is LOADING up against the run and you dont want to take a safety so you pass out of the end zone and a HORRIBLE holding call is made resulting in a safety and a win for the other team?"

In that situation, yeah, a bad call could actually DECIDE the game.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1285182281' post='485954']
Im not saying it has or hasnt happened(I dont think it has) but it COULD. See my above post

"Example: Team with the ball is leading by 1 point at their own 1 yd line. No timeouts so they cant take a knee to run out the clock. Other team is LOADING up against the run and you dont want to take a safety so you pass out of the end zone and a HORRIBLE holding call is made resulting in a safety and a win for the other team?"

In that situation, yeah, a bad call could actually DECIDE the game.
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Though I agree with the sentiment behind your example, the counter-argument will always be that the losing team could've done more to win the game earlier so that the call wouldn't have mattered. Again, we know that's not always realistic, but it [i]is[/i] within the realm of possibility for one team to have simply outplayed the other team and to leave no doubt as to the decisive victor.

[berad]

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1285182281' post='485954']
Im not saying it has or hasnt happened(I dont think it has) but it COULD. See my above post

"Example: Team with the ball is leading by 1 point at their own 1 yd line. No timeouts so they cant take a knee to run out the clock. Other team is LOADING up against the run and you dont want to take a safety so you pass out of the end zone and a HORRIBLE holding call is made resulting in a safety and a win for the other team?"

In that situation, yeah, a bad call could actually DECIDE the game.
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That situation is discounting the other 59 minutes in the ball game. That's what Franny was saying. Game-ending penalties are called on a weekly basis.

-Calvin Johnson's "drop" against the Bears
-Alex Barrons holding call versus the Redskins

Those don't "decide" games. Football is 60 minutes, you hear Ray Lewis say it all the time. There are many more examples, those are just from week 1.