Week 5 - Baltimore Ravens Vs. Denver Broncos

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1286678324' post='502662']
YPG: Titans 302.8 Ravens 235.8
PPG: Titans 17 Ravens 13.8
Passing: Titans 13th Ravens 1st
Rushing: Titans 10th Ravens 21st

Um...hmmm...since you guys did not run on the Titans.....I'd have to go with...huh? In what way are the Titans a better defense?
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and who have you guys played and who have the titans played? You have face NO GOOD OFFENSE! WEAK qb's! It's almost game time!

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1286678284' post='502660']
ok this will be my last post addressing you, because clearly you are someone that doesn't really understand football, or one of those fans that think his 2-2 team can never lose.

First, i said in the Ravens-Steelers game or division games, numbers don't matter.

You saying champ will shut down Boldin is something that you hope will happen, not something that you can show proof of it actually happening. You saying Champ will shut down Boldin means about as much as me saying Champ won't be focused on this game because he will be too worried about his contract.


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dude champ WILL shut down Boldin. Only the most stubborn of biased raven fan will say different. champ bailey is constantly for the past 10 years been shutting down cb's. he didn't allow not one td pass all of last year. He's shut down Sims Walker, Reggie wayne so far this year and you think he's going to have trouble with Bolden? LMAO! Bolden has no more than 3 catches tomorrow! Right that down!

[Jabara]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286677750' post='502650']
and how does your opinion matter from mine? is your opinion more valid than anyone else's? Funny I've talked with a few fans here in this thread and it's been all good fun debates, yet you call me a troll here to insult people?? I think you're lost. No one else has had any problems and a couple posters have even said they have enjoyed reading the back and forth comments and look forward to tomorrow. Are you the king of the ravens message board or something? [b]Anyways its a little hypocritical to bash someone's opinions and then spill your opinions like yours are more valid than mine for some reason.[/b] The titans have a better defense than you guys and orton threw 50 times and only sacked 3 times. all in the 1st qtr. what makes you think you'll have any success getting to him?

anyways i like to debate people that are fun and like to talk football. I dont need to debate internet geeks who insult people because they can't control their temper on the internet. lmao
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Well I base my opinions in reality, when you have constantly posted really crazy things that have no basis in reality, other than the fact that you think it.
So far you've only said that the Broncos are better than the Ravens, just because you think it.
You haven't given any actual reasons why, other than the simple fact, that [size="7"]you think it[/size].
You are allowed to say anything within the CoC, but really, you aren't contributing anything other than "Broncos>Ravens"
and nothing else, at least not anything that happened in reality.

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

didnt the LA jags beat the Offense juggernauts?

[Guest Maryland1]

[b][font="Verdana"][size="2"][color="#ff0000"]Updated
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Regular Season Head-to-Head Matchups (since 1996):
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[color="#800080"][/color][b][font="Verdana"][size="2"]Baltimore [/size][/font][/b][/color][b][font="Verdana"][size="2"]leads [color="#800080"]4[/color]-[color="#0000ff"]3[/color][/size][/font][/b][size="2"][font="Verdana"][color="#0000ff"][b]
[/b][/color][/font][/size][font="Courier New"]
[size="3"]11/01/09 @ BAL: [/size][/font][font="Courier New"][size="3"]DEN 07, BAL 30 [/size][size="3"][color="#ff0000"]W
[/color][/size][/font][font="Courier New"][size="3"]10/09/06 @ BAL: [/size][/font][size="3"][font="Courier New"]DEN 13, BAL 03 L
[/font][font="Courier New"]12/11/05 @ BAL: [/font][/size][size="3"][font="Courier New"]DEN 12, BAL 10 L
[/font][font="Courier New"]10/26/03 @ DEN: [/font][/size][font="Courier New"][size="3"]DEN 06, BAL 26 [/size][size="3"][color="#ff0000"]W
[/color][/size][/font][font="Courier New"][size="3"]09/30/02 @ DEN: [/size][/font][font="Courier New"][size="3"]DEN 23, BAL 34 [/size][size="3"][color="#ff0000"]W
[/color][/size][/font][size="3"][font="Courier New"]09/30/01 @ BAL: [/font][font="Courier New"]DEN 13, BAL 20 [color="#ff0000"]W[/color][/font]
[/size][font="Courier New"][size="3"]10/20/96 @ DEN: DEN 45, BAL 34 L
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[font="Courier New"][size="3"][/size][/font]TOTAL POINTS SCORED:
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[color="#800080"]BAL 157[/color]
[color="#0000ff"]DEN 119
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Differential: [color="#800080"]BAL[/color] [color="#ff0000"]+38 [/color]points

[b]AFC Wild Card Playoff Game[/b], 12/30/00 @ DEN: DEN 3, BAL 21 [color="#ff0000"]W
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[/size][font="Verdana"][size="2"]- Since 1996, the Broncos are winless in Baltimore.

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Sources:

www.baltimoreravens.com
[url="http://espn.go.com/n...ameId=301010033"]http://espn.go.com/n...ameId=301010033[/url]
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[Guest Maryland1]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286678524' post='502664']
posting stats 10 years old makes you feel good doesnt it? You're stat shows that in the most current state which is most relevant the ravens are 1-2 in the last 3 games vs the broncos. Nice job!
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[font="Verdana"][size="2"]I'm sorry that the regular season head-to-head comparison is objective (fact), not subjective (opionion), and doesn't support your BRONCOS>RAVENS arguement. Unfortunately, facts don't lie.
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[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1286678966' post='502670']
Well I base my opinions in reality, when you have constantly posted really crazy things that have no basis in reality, other than the fact that you think it.
So far you've only said that the Broncos are better than the Ravens, just because you think it.
You haven't given any actual reasons why, other than the simple fact, that [size="7"]you think it[/size].
You are allowed to say anything within the CoC, but really, you aren't contributing anything other than "Broncos>Ravens"
and nothing else, at least not anything that happened in reality.
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wrong. You should read the thread before you jump into it like a superhero. [i]<Deleted>[/i]

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='Maryland1' timestamp='1286679427' post='502674']
[font="Verdana"][size="2"]I'm sorry that the regular season head-to-head comparison is objective (fact), not subjective (opionion), and doesn't support your BRONCOS>RAVENS arguement. Unfortunately, facts don't lie.
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no they don't and in the last 5 years raves are 1-2 vs the broncos. FACT!

If you think posting 10 year old stats mean anything I can do the same!

Broncos have two superbowls how many do the ravens have?

[Guest Maryland1]

[font="Verdana"][size="2"]Let's tone this down and refrain from personal attacks and insults.[/size][/font]

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='Maryland1' timestamp='1286679068' post='502672']
[b][font="Verdana"][size="2"][color="#ff0000"]Updated
[b][font="Verdana"][size="2"][/size][/font][/b][/color]
Regular Season Head-to-Head Matchups (since 1996):
[/size][/font][/b][color="#800080"]
[color="#800080"][/color][b][font="Verdana"][size="2"]Baltimore [/size][/font][/b][/color][b][font="Verdana"][size="2"]leads [color="#800080"]4[/color]-[color="#0000ff"]3[/color][/size][/font][/b][size="2"][font="Verdana"][color="#0000ff"][b]
[/b][/color][/font][/size][font="Courier New"]
[size="3"]11/01/09 @ BAL: [/size][/font][font="Courier New"][size="3"]DEN 07, BAL 30 [/size][size="3"][color="#ff0000"]W
[/color][/size][/font][font="Courier New"][size="3"]10/09/06 @ BAL: [/size][/font][size="3"][font="Courier New"]DEN 13, BAL 03 L
[/font][font="Courier New"]12/11/05 @ BAL: [/font][/size][size="3"][font="Courier New"]DEN 12, BAL 10 L
[/font][font="Courier New"]10/26/03 @ DEN: [/font][/size][font="Courier New"][size="3"]DEN 06, BAL 26 [/size][size="3"][color="#ff0000"]W
[/color][/size][/font][font="Courier New"][size="3"]09/30/02 @ DEN: [/size][/font][font="Courier New"][size="3"]DEN 23, BAL 34 [/size][size="3"][color="#ff0000"]W
[/color][/size][/font][size="3"][font="Courier New"]09/30/01 @ BAL: [/font][font="Courier New"]DEN 13, BAL 20 [color="#ff0000"]W[/color][/font]
[/size][font="Courier New"][size="3"]10/20/96 @ DEN: DEN 45, BAL 34 L
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[font="Courier New"][size="3"][b]
[font="Courier New"][size="3"][/size][/font]TOTAL POINTS SCORED:
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[color="#800080"]BAL 157[/color]
[color="#0000ff"]DEN 119
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Differential: [color="#800080"]BAL[/color] [color="#ff0000"]+38 [/color]points

[b]AFC Wild Card Playoff Game[/b], 12/30/00 @ DEN: DEN 3, BAL 21 [color="#ff0000"]W
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[/size][font="Verdana"][size="2"]- Since 1996, the Broncos are winless in Baltimore.

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Sources:

www.baltimoreravens.com
[url="http://espn.go.com/n...ameId=301010033"]http://espn.go.com/n...ameId=301010033[/url]
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keep digging your hole if you think those stats mean anything. FACT RAVENS ARE 1-2 IN THE LAST 5 YEARS.


Broncos have 2 superbowls
Ravens have how many???

How many division titles do the broncos have
How many do the ravens have?

How many afc championships do broncos have?
how many do ravens have?

If you want to bring up old irrelevant stats then youre only showing FACTS DO SHOW

BRONCOS>RAVENS

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='Maryland1' timestamp='1286679605' post='502677']
[font="Verdana"][size="2"]Let's tone this down and refrain from personal attacks and insults.[/size][/font]
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yes thank you! How some people cant control their anger on the internet talking to strangers about football is beyond me!

[Guest Maryland1]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286679569' post='502676']
no they don't and in the last 5 years raves are 1-2 vs the broncos. FACT!

If you think posting 10 year old stats mean anything I can do the same!

Broncos have two superbowls how many do the ravens have?
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[font="Verdana"][size="2"]You only go back years for favorable statistics to support your argument (flawed logic). You need to compare apples-to-apples.

Since the Ravens first played the Broncos in 1996, they are 4-3 plus a playoff win (5-3).

I was waiting for you to pull the "SB wins" card. [/size][/font]

[Guest Maryland1]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286679797' post='502678']
keep digging your hole if you think those stats mean anything. FACT RAVENS ARE 1-2 IN THE LAST 5 YEARS.


Broncos have 2 superbowls
Ravens have how many???

How many division titles do the broncos have
How many do the ravens have?

How many afc championships do broncos have?
how many do ravens have?

If you want to bring up old irrelevant stats then youre only showing FACTS DO SHOW

BRONCOS>RAVENS
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[font="Verdana"][size="2"]As of tonight, in head-to-head competition, RAVENS>BRONCOS. Indisputable fact.

If you want to compare yourself to the NFL and count division titles, AFC Championships, and Super Bowls wins, then there are other teams > Broncos.
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[ravensdfan]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286678725' post='502668']
and who have you guys played and who have the titans played? You have face NO GOOD OFFENSE! WEAK qb's! It's almost game time!
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Palmer put up over 300 yds on NE #28 against the pass and Carolina #16 against the pass.

Sanchez put up over 200 yds on NE #28 against the pass and Miami #6 against the pass.

Orton put up over 300 yds on Seattle #29 against the pass and Titans #13 against the pass. He put up 400 yds on Indy #15 against the pass. He put up over 200 on Jaguars #30 against the pass.

So I guess if we've faced average QBs, we are about to face another one.

[Jabara]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286678524' post='502664']
posting stats 10 years old makes you feel good doesnt it? You're stat shows that in the most current state which is most relevant the ravens are 1-2 in the last 3 games vs the broncos. Nice job!
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Ok, Here are some stats from this year that might give you more respect for the Ravens when compared to the Broncos.

So far the Ravens have scored [b]7[/b] touchdowns, and are [b]3-1[/b], yet your offense has scored only [b]2[/b] more TD's, [b](9)[/b] and are [b]2-2[/b].
The Broncos have scored [b]6[/b] TD's through the air. Sounds like you have a good offense, much better than the Ravens since they've only thrown [b]5[/b] TD's through the air.

The Broncos have given up [b]85[/b] points, while the Ravens have given up [b]55[/b] points. The Ravens allowed [b]4[/b] TD's, [b]6[/b] less than the Broncos [b]10[/b] TD's allowed.
The Broncos have given up [b]8[/b] TD's through the air, and the Ravens have given up [b]1[/b] TD, through the air.

The Broncos score a TD in the Red Zone [b]35.0%[/b] of the time. Not too bad.
The Ravens score a TD while in the Red Zone, [b]55.6%[/b] of the time.
Our defense has allowed a TD in the Red Zone only [b]36.4%[/b] of the time. But the Broncos have given up a TD in the Red Zone [b]62.5%[/b] of the time.

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='Maryland1' timestamp='1286679949' post='502681']
[font="Verdana"][size="2"]You only go back years for favorable statistics to support your argument (flawed logic). You need to compare apples-to-apples.

Since the Ravens first played the Broncos in 1996, they are 4-3 plus a playoff win (5-3).

I was waiting for you to pull the "SB wins" card. [/size][/font]
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well i didn't want to but you kept posting old stats that where supposed to show that raves>broncos. I didn't want to but you kept going so i posted my own stats. Just like you used your favorable stats i could use division titles, afc titles, and superbowl titles in my argument can't I? When i said Broncos>Ravens I meant this year because thats all that matters. And of course it's an opinion just like you can say vice versa. That's why the game is played! And that's why i can't wait for tomorrow!

[flaccopoe]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286679569' post='502676']
no they don't and in the last 5 years raves are 1-2 vs the broncos. FACT!

If you think posting 10 year old stats mean anything I can do the same!

Broncos have two superbowls how many do the ravens have?
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The Ravens have only existed for 14 years: even I'm older than the team! They are 1:14 in terms of Super Bowl winning seasons; Denver's only 2:50!

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1286680238' post='502684']
Palmer put up over 300 yds on NE #28 against the pass and Carolina #16 against the pass.

Sanchez put up over 200 yds on NE #28 against the pass and Miami #6 against the pass.

Orton put up over 300 yds on Seattle #29 against the pass and Titans #13 against the pass. He put up [b][size="5"]476![/size][/b] yds on Indy #15 against the pass. He put up over 200 on Jaguars #30 against the pass.

So I guess if we've faced average QBs, we are about to face another one.
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Fixed the bold for you! and It has nothing to do with Orton. it's the wr's you have to worry about and the offensive scheme! You haven't faced an offensive like this one! Hope your young secondary has fun with all the confusion out there!

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286680636' post='502689']
Fixed the bold for you! and It has nothing to do with Orton. it's the wr's you have to worry about and the offensive scheme! You haven't faced an offensive like this one! Hope your young secondary has fun with all the confusion out there!
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Conversely, your offense hasn't faced a defense like this one. Not even close.

[Guest Maryland1]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286680403' post='502687']
well i didn't want to but you kept posting old stats that where supposed to show that raves>broncos. I didn't want to but you kept going so i posted my own stats.[color="#ff0000"] Just like you used your favorable stats[/color] i could use division titles, afc titles, and superbowl titles in my argument can't I? When i said Broncos>Ravens I meant this year because thats all that matters. And of course it's an opinion just like you can say vice versa. That's why the game is played! And that's why i can't wait for tomorrow!
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[font="Verdana"][size="2"]I used facts to support my case and included [u]all[/u] games played, not just the ones that supported my argument as you did. [/size][/font]

[Jabara]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286679518' post='502675']
wrong. You should read the thread before you jump into it like a superhero. [i]<Deleted>[/i]
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I'm not angry, it just takes repetition and large text to seem to get through to you.

You can throw all the insults you want at me, it still doesn't support why the Broncos>Ravens.

I'm just very confident that Ravens>Broncos.

[Ravensfan23]

I just love how Broncos' fans make it seem as if the Ravens have never faced a high powered passing game before. Unless their "offense" is high powered it won't matter much, one dimensional offense don't do well against Baltimore. Will they make plays yes. However if their defense can't stop our offense from moving the ball, controlling the clock, dictating field position and scoring then it won't matter how good their passing attack is.

If Orton is forced to drop back 40-50 times tomorrow it will be bad for that offense. The Ravens have a offense with a QB capable of lighting that 17th ranked Broncos' defense up for big yardage and TDs. The Ravens haven't really got the running game moving yet, but we were able to rush for over 100 total team yards against the Bengals and Browns, and i think the Broncos have a run defense comparable to them.

As i've said before, I think Cam will really look to get the running game going in this game and keep Denvers offense on the sidelines.

Over the last 2 weeks the Ravens have been turning it on offensively, but still are leaving some plays out on the field and are turning the ball over more then anyone likes. The Broncos struggle to get pressure on the QB and Flacco has proven he's capable of finding favorable matchups even in the face of the blitz. I think Flacco will have plenty of opportunities against that Broncos secondary.

In the first 4 games, teams have had the gameplan of run blitzing on 1st and 2nd downs and forcing Flacco to beat them. Well imo he has proven he can beat you and if the Broncos follow the same defensive gameplan i think Flacco will have a huge day.

To me the Ravens are an elite team in the AFC and i don't think the Broncos will be able to hang with them for 4 quarters.

[hawkprey]

Even if you average the Broncos 340 passing yards/game with Ravens 120 given up, that's only a 230 yard estimate. Hardly enough to beat this team with no rushing attack to compliment it. I forsee a lot of 3-and outs by the Broncos.

[Jabara]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1286682749' post='502709']
To me the [b]Ravens are an elite team in the AFC[/b] and i don't think the Broncos will be able to hang with them for 4 quarters.
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In the entire league.
We are technically an elite 8 team in the NFL.
That was last year though. So if we take last years performance, as an elite 8 team, and the Broncos as a .500 (8-8) team, we shouldn't have much to worry about.

Of course the Broncos made upgrades this season, but so did the Ravens.
One of the things I think some people don't realize is how much of an upgrade we made to our offense. We Ravens fans know that, and it's starting to gel, and it's amazing for us to watch.
Let's put it this way, last year we had an offense that was typically used to manage the game and ended up an elite 8 team.
This year we have an offense that can win the game, not just manage it.

[Ravenglenn]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286679569' post='502676']


Broncos have two superbowls how many do the ravens have?
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...and how many more years have the Broncos been playing?

I remember my favorite performance by the Broncos in a SB, they scored 10 points...
the 49ers scored 55.

[BRONCOS1]

Nice talking with you Gentlemen! Game time is right around the corner! See you then!

[Guest Maryland1]

[size="1"][size="2"][color="#808080"]We had to come to your place last year with a new coach, new system, new qb and now we come back again this year with the same team! Prepare for different results! [/color][color="#ff0000"]Why dont you guys come to denver for a change! [/color][/size]
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[font="Verdana"][size="2"][color="#800080"]Been there, done that. Do you [u]really[/u] want us back to visit?
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[font="Courier New"][size="3"]10/26/03 @ DEN: DEN 06, BAL 26 [b][color="#ff0000"]W[/color][/b]
09/30/02 @ DEN: DEN 23, BAL 34 [b][color="#ff0000"]W[/color][/b]
10/20/96 @ DEN: DEN 45, BAL 34 L[/size][/font][b]
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[font="Courier New"][size="3"][b]AFC Wild Card Playoff Game[/b], 12/30/00 @ DEN: DEN 3, BAL 21 [b][color="#ff0000"]W[/color][/b]
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[ab123]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286678725' post='502668']
and who have you guys played and who have the titans played? You have face NO GOOD OFFENSE! WEAK qb's! It's almost game time!
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Uh? Heard of the Jets? How about the Steelers? Both pretty damn good teams, both 3-1 and guess who gave BOTH teams their losses?

People that are realistic know what the Ravens are about, and also know they dont like playing the Ravens too much especially in our house.

Ravens 31 Broncs 17

[BoBoF15c]

The great thing about football is no matter what the other team's fans, TV NFL experts and Vegas oddsmakers say--you still have to play 4 Full Quarters of knockdown, violent, smashmouth football. My money is on the hard hitting, stifling defense and well-rounded offense of the Ravens!

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

the bank is going to be ROCKING!! Everyone have a great time, weather is going to be freakin awesome!!