Week 5 - Baltimore Ravens Vs. Denver Broncos

[darklight1216]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286650143' post='502428']
sanchez has been improving but still only a 2nd year qb being baby sat. Palmer has been playing like crap! What games have you been watching?
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Palmer and the Bengals have quietly become the 6th best pass offense in the league.

If you want to talk about not playing against a tough opponent: Denver has faced the 13th rated pass defense (Tenn), the 15th (Indy) and then there's Seattle and Jax which are 29th and 30th.

None of that will mean anything on Sunday, of course.

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='PurPlePaiN10XLV' timestamp='1286650599' post='502432']
I agree about not playing a top ranked passing attack, but the Ravens secondary came into the year being HIGHLY underrated. I think they have what it takes to stop the Broncos. Even if you have a top-notch WR corps, Orton can't get the ball to him if his face is in the turf.
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that is true! and i worry about our offensive line at times and with orton's scrambling looking like a 40year old man That is a weak point. But that being said orton drops back to pass at least 40 times a game and he's sack about 3 times. That's pretty good protection. I hope you guys do blitz, because the broncos offense is built around quick short throws so blitzing denver will help the wr's get open over the middle of the field as usual. Im sure you d coordinator is not dumb though. I don't think blitzing alot is in his playbook tomorrow. But I have no doubt in my mind Orton will be under pressure tomorrow by your defense and hopefully it's all taken in stride!

[PuRock]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286650094' post='502427']
Like i said since I knew someone would use that lame line. Last year was a first year coach, a first year qb, a first year system. This year not the same! I guess you haven't been watching much football lately because the broncos attack has been better without marshall. Who's the leading wr in the nfl????? go ahead and research and tell me the answer We have 3 wr's on pace for 1,000 yards. do you guys? KYLE ORTON is on pace to brake the nfl record in passing yards after 4 games. I doubt he does it but the fact that you had to put kyle orton just shows how little you been paying attention. How's that Flacco lead offense of yours turning out????? I see Orton as the #1 ranked passer on nfl.com/stats and I see flacco at a measly average # 15. You guys played a sanchez, wallace, palmer, and a back up qb vs pitt and somehow you're fooled into thinking they are equal to what the broncos offense is doing lol Ravens are the only team going to lead luck tomorrow!
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You call our passing D overrated yet Orton is being the beneficiary of great YAC by the WRs. He's hitting slants and Royal is breaking ankles. So to me Orton is no #1 guy. If you look at pure passing yards he ranks far from it.

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1286650821' post='502434']
Palmer and the Bengals have quietly become the 6th best pass offense in the league.

If you want to talk about not playing against a tough opponent: Denver has faced the 13th rated pass defense (Tenn), the 15th (Indy) and then there's Seattle and Jax which are 29th and 30th.

None of that will mean anything on Sunday, of course.
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and you guys played jets #25, bengals weak #6 blown up only by last weeks game, browns #22, Pitt #31

We've at least dominated in the air to teams in the top 15 who BOTH were top 10 until they played the broncos.

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1286651886' post='502447']
You call our passing D overrated yet Orton is being the beneficiary of great YAC by the WRs. He's hitting slants and Royal is breaking ankles. So to me Orton is no #1 guy. If you look at pure passing yards he ranks far from it.
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This makes no sense at all. So do we take away joe montana's, tom brady's and steve's youngs for them having moss and rice breaking tackles? That all comes with the passing game! 30 yards in the air and 30 yards from a 20yd pass at then end is still 30 yards. Its not so much orton as the #1 guy it's the offense he leads who's #1 in the nfl.

[PuRock]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286652165' post='502454']
This makes no sense at all. So do we take away joe montana's, tom brady's and steve's youngs for them having moss and rice breaking tackles? That all comes with the passing game! 30 yards in the air and 30 yards from a 20yd pass at then end is still 30 yards. Its not so much orton as the #1 guy it's the offense he leads who's #1 in the nfl.
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And our defense is #1 in passing defense. You can't play both games. You keep calling our passing D overrated but then you keep pointing at the statistic that Orton is #1 in the NFl. Well so is our D. I'm merely saying if you think our Passing D is overrated, I think Orton is overrated this year due to his great YAC. If you take away that he's like 6th in the NFL in passing behind guys like Manning, Brady and Rivers (who can perform without exceptional YAC from their receivers).

[hawkprey]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286650143' post='502428']
sanchez has been improving but still only a 2nd year qb being baby sat. Palmer has been playing like crap! What games have you been watching?
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Sanchez has a 105 passer rating.

Bottom line is it's much easier to be #1 in passing offense than in passing defense because as an offense, you can choose to throw it every play which is pretty much what the Broncos do. Defenses don't have that choice. If they want a team to stop running or passing the ball on them, they have to shut it down themselves.

[MagicianCamille]

Broncos1 should stick around for the actual game.

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

we'll see who's overrated tomorrow, lol

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286644177' post='502376']
I hate to break it to you guys, but you guys are going to be very upset tomorrow when you lose. I think #1 pass defense that statistically you hold is sooooo overrated! You have have face not one good qb! Not one solid passing attack! Tomorrow you guys will get a dose of all the weapons at wr the broncos have! You guys don't have enough players to defend them all. Be ready to lose tomorrow and be ready to face a real passing attack!
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Here is the problem i have encountered with Broncos fans all week. All you guys continue to talk about #1 pass offense, and the Ravens #1 pass defense is overrated. Or you guys talk about how Orton and your WRs are so great and how we haven't faced a passing attack like yours.

However what you guys fail to realize is the same thing everyone failed to realize about the Steelers game, the Ravens aren't just about one really good unit. They are a well balanced team. Last week, everyone talked about the Steelers being the 4th ranked rushing attack against our 24 ranked run defense, but again what they failed to make mention of was the Ravens balance.

The Steelers while great on defense, were ranked 17th against the pass. So what did Cam and Flacco do, attacked their secondary, to the tone of 100 passing yards in the first quarter alone.

What ranking does the Broncos defense have against the pass? 17th. You guys are allowing 63% on completions, about 222ypg, 14 plays of 20+ yards, 2 plays of 40+ 8TDs, and a passer rating of 95.3

So while you guys are so focused on Orton and the #1 passing game against our defense, you should want to worry about how your middle of the pack defense will handle a balance Ravens offense that consist of pro bowl talent at each skilled position.

If the Ravens are successful in containing your #1 passing offense, what else will you guys have to fall back on? A good running game? How about a dominate defense? Or maybe your special teams has been playing great?

Another thing that you guys should know, while many of you think Flacco has been playing poorly this year, he does really well against 3-4 defenses. In 3 games this season against 3-4 defenses, Flacco's numbers look like this.

66/106 766yds 4TD 2Int 70% 11.3ypp, (9)20+ plays, (1)40+ play, 3 sacks.

The Ravens young Oline has given up a total of 4 sacks, against teams like the Jets, Bengals, and Steelers, your defense only has 4 sacks and you are nowhere near the caliber of those defenses imo. So, if these numbers hold true, how will you guys get pressure on Flacco? Biltz? well I just showed you how well Flacco does against 3-4 heavy blitzing teams, and you guys don't fit the bill. So if you do decide to blitz more, you will be playing outside of yourselves and that's not good.

You guys are allowing 40% 3rd conversions, the Ravens offense is converting 43%. So if those numbers hold true, that means you guys won't be able to get us off the field in 3rd downs not better then any other team we've played. If the Ravens are able to keep drives alive on 3rd downs, that means Orton and your great WRs are on the sidelines and even Peyton Manning and the Colts offense can't makes plays on the sidelines.

Even though you guys are racking up a lot of yards, you only have scored 9Tds, but your defense have allowed 10TDs. So, If those numbers hold true, that means your defense will allow the Ravens to score just as much, if not more, then your offense will score.

Now, with all of this said, I actually think this will be a well played, hard fought game, but i expect the better more complete team to pull away in the second half and that will be the Ravens.

So while you guys want to ride that #1 passing offense into Baltimore, you might want to think about how well the rest of your team will fare?

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1286653906' post='502478']
Broncos1 should stick around for the actual game.
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Ditto.. only men admit their defeats.

BRONCOS1 seems like no man to me.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286644177' post='502376']
I hate to break it to you guys, but you guys are going to be very upset tomorrow when you lose. I think #1 pass defense that statistically you hold is sooooo overrated! You have have face not one good qb! Not one solid passing attack! Tomorrow you guys will get a dose of all the weapons at wr the broncos have! You guys don't have enough players to defend them all. Be ready to lose tomorrow and be ready to face a real passing attack!
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Here is the thing dear Broncos1. This is the same problem I have been having with you Broncos' fans all week. You don't get to play it both ways. You keep wanting to say our passing defense is overrated. Hmmm...Sanchez and Palmer have both been lighting up the other teams they've played. Even Wallace has been having success. So...you are saying every QB just happens to have their off day when the play the Ravens? W/E.

Conversely...what passing defense has the Bronco's faced to earn that #1 offense? Nothing over #12. A #15, a #30 and a #29. I've given up trying to actually converse with the delusional Broncos' fans. Sunday, Orton will be brought back down to reality and so will the Bronco fans.

[darklight1216]

That was a great post, Rf23. I didn't realize just how unbalanced Denver is thus far.

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1286661624' post='502515']
Here is the thing dear Broncos1. This is the same problem I have been having with you Broncos' fans all week. You don't get to play it both ways. You keep wanting to say our passing defense is overrated. Hmmm...Sanchez and Palmer have both been lighting up the other teams they've played. Even Wallace has been having success. So...you are saying every QB just happens to have their off day when the play the Ravens? W/E.

Conversely...what passing defense has the Bronco's faced to earn that #1 offense? Nothing over #12. A #15, a #30 and a #29. I've given up trying to actually converse with the delusional Broncos' fans. Sunday, Orton will be brought back down to reality and so will the Bronco fans.
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so true, quality post.

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1286659583' post='502509']


However what you guys fail to realize is the same thing everyone failed to realize about the Steelers game, the Ravens aren't just about one really good unit. They are a well balanced team. Last week, everyone talked about the Steelers being the 4th ranked rushing attack against our 24 ranked run defense, but again what they failed to make mention of was the Ravens balance.

The Steelers while great on defense, were ranked 17th against the pass. So what did Cam and Flacco do, attacked their secondary, to the tone of 100 passing yards in the first quarter alone.
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And yet you guys needed a prayer on a last second play to beat a team with their 3rd string qb playing.....UMMMMMM OK..........

You talk about a team??? We're more balanced than you guys are. We dont have a run game offensively but our defense has played good. Do you want to check how many yards CJ had last week vs the broncos? Want to see how many yds Addai and MJD had against us as well? Go for it and get back to me.

We're more balanced than you guys when it comes to defense.

we rank #17 against the pass and #12 against the run

You guys rank a soft #1 vs the pass and all the way down to #21 vs the run. Wheres the balance?? Very fortunate you guys haven't played any offenses like denver's or you wouldn't be #1.

You guys are averaging 112yds passing allowed a game.....I'm 150% positive Orton has that by half time.

[BRONCOS1]

I will be here posting while the game is going on!

[SC Ravens Fan]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1286659583' post='502509']
Here is the problem i have encountered with Broncos fans all week. All you guys continue to talk about #1 pass offense, and the Ravens #1 pass defense is overrated. Or you guys talk about how Orton and your WRs are so great and how we haven't faced a passing attack like yours.

However what you guys fail to realize is the same thing everyone failed to realize about the Steelers game, the Ravens aren't just about one really good unit. They are a well balanced team. Last week, everyone talked about the Steelers being the 4th ranked rushing attack against our 24 ranked run defense, but again what they failed to make mention of was the Ravens balance.

The Steelers while great on defense, were ranked 17th against the pass. So what did Cam and Flacco do, attacked their secondary, to the tone of 100 passing yards in the first quarter alone.

What ranking does the Broncos defense have against the pass? 17th. You guys are allowing 63% on completions, about 222ypg, 14 plays of 20+ yards, 2 plays of 40+ 8TDs, and a passer rating of 95.3

So while you guys are so focused on Orton and the #1 passing game against our defense, you should want to worry about how your middle of the pack defense will handle a balance Ravens offense that consist of pro bowl talent at each skilled position.

If the Ravens are successful in containing your #1 passing offense, what else will you guys have to fall back on? A good running game? How about a dominate defense? Or maybe your special teams has been playing great?

Another thing that you guys should know, while many of you think Flacco has been playing poorly this year, he does really well against 3-4 defenses. In 3 games this season against 3-4 defenses, Flacco's numbers look like this.

66/106 766yds 4TD 2Int 70% 11.3ypp, (9)20+ plays, (1)40+ play, 3 sacks.

The Ravens young Oline has given up a total of 4 sacks, against teams like the Jets, Bengals, and Steelers, your defense only has 4 sacks and you are nowhere near the caliber of those defenses imo. So, if these numbers hold true, how will you guys get pressure on Flacco? Biltz? well I just showed you how well Flacco does against 3-4 heavy blitzing teams, and you guys don't fit the bill. So if you do decide to blitz more, you will be playing outside of yourselves and that's not good.

You guys are allowing 40% 3rd conversions, the Ravens offense is converting 43%. So if those numbers hold true, that means you guys won't be able to get us off the field in 3rd downs not better then any other team we've played. If the Ravens are able to keep drives alive on 3rd downs, that means Orton and your great WRs are on the sidelines and even Peyton Manning and the Colts offense can't makes plays on the sidelines.

Even though you guys are racking up a lot of yards, you only have scored 9Tds, but your defense have allowed 10TDs. So, If those numbers hold true, that means your defense will allow the Ravens to score just as much, if not more, then your offense will score.

Now, with all of this said, I actually think this will be a well played, hard fought game, but i expect the better more complete team to pull away in the second half and that will be the Ravens.

So while you guys want to ride that #1 passing offense into Baltimore, you might want to think about how well the rest of your team will fare?
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Yeah that is what I was going to say

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='SC Ravens Fan' timestamp='1286666117' post='502540']
Yeah that is what I was going to say
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and no raven fan should talk about scoring. You guys have scored 9pts, 10pts, 17, and 14 pts. That's not exactly lighting it up. You guys are in for a rude awakening tomorrow!

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1286659583' post='502509']


[b]Even though you guys are racking up a lot of yards, you only have scored 9Tds[/b]

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we've scored 9 td's ravens have scored 6........Nice argument!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286667298' post='502548']
and no raven fan should talk about scoring. You guys have scored 9pts, 10pts, 17, and 14 pts. That's not exactly lighting it up. You guys are in for a rude awakening tomorrow!
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The Ravens actually scored 10 points the first game.

To your last comment, the same could be said about the Broncos.

[PuRock]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286665956' post='502538']
We're more balanced than you guys when it comes to defense.

we rank #17 against the pass and #12 against the run
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What is up with rankings after four games? Seriously you are going to say one of the best perennial defenses year in and year out lacks balance because of rankings? Come see us at the end of the year and talk about our balance. Peyton ran on us. Statistical anomaly. I'll tell you this much, we'll be ranked a lot higher against the run after facing your team. And we'll have a good shot of shutting down your passing O because you have no run game.

Balance! Geesh. Coming from a team that can't even run the ball.

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1286668221' post='502554']
The Ravens actually scored 10 points the first game.

To your last comment, the same could be said about the Broncos.
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yea but my post was in response to the poster saying we've only scored 9 td's.

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1286668761' post='502558']
What is up with rankings after four games? Seriously you are going to say one of the best perennial defenses year in and year out lacks balance because of rankings? Come see us at the end of the year and talk about our balance. Peyton ran on us. Statistical anomaly. I'll tell you this much, we'll be ranked a lot higher against the run after facing your team. And we'll have a good shot of shutting down your passing O because you have no run game.

Balance! Geesh. Coming from a team that can't even run the ball.
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Well if we can run it will be against you guys who have allowed teams to run every game against you. And you guys will be ranked higher vs the rush while also dropping vs the pass lol. We had a total of 19yds rushing vs tenn who was top 10 vs the pass and yet they couldn't stop us? colts couldn't stop us and we had like 20yds rushing against them. We WILL drive against your defense whether it be on the ground or through the air. The only question is will our redzone offense put up more than fg's. If we score td's this game will be over real quick. That's the only thing holding the broncos back. You guys wont have any success stopping the broncos. It's going to come down to whether the broncos can score in the redzone.

[PuRock]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286669466' post='502561']
[b]Well if we can run it will be against you guys who have allowed teams to run every game against you. And you guys will be ranked higher vs the rush while also dropping vs the pass lol.[/b] We had a total of 19yds rushing vs tenn who was top 10 vs the pass and yet they couldn't stop us? colts couldn't stop us and we had like 20yds rushing against them. We WILL drive against your defense whether it be on the ground or through the air. The only question is will our redzone offense put up more than fg's. If we score td's this game will be over real quick. That's the only thing holding the broncos back. You guys wont have any success stopping the broncos. It's going to come down to whether the broncos can score in the redzone.
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There you go again with the rankings (after 4 games).

We did hold two of the top rushing offenses of the Jets and Steelers to 49 and 70 yards, respectively. I don't understand how that is letting everybody run all over us. I still can't believe you just said "if we can run it will be against you guys".

Last time I checked you didn't have a bruiser. Which is usually our hindrance in the run game. I can tell by your comments that you haven't seen us play much. In stead you are just looking at the rankings on NFL.com.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286665956' post='502538']
And yet you guys needed a prayer on a last second play to beat a team with their 3rd string qb playing.....UMMMMMM OK..........

You talk about a team??? We're more balanced than you guys are. We dont have a run game offensively but our defense has played good. Do you want to check how many yards CJ had last week vs the broncos? Want to see how many yds Addai and MJD had against us as well? Go for it and get back to me.

We're more balanced than you guys when it comes to defense.

we rank #17 against the pass and #12 against the run

You guys rank a soft #1 vs the pass and all the way down to #21 vs the run. Wheres the balance?? Very fortunate you guys haven't played any offenses like denver's or you wouldn't be #1.

You guys are averaging 112yds passing allowed a game.....I'm 150% positive Orton has that by half time.
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If you know anything about football, you would know that records and numbers don't matter when the Ravens and Steelers play, much the same way as any divison rivals. Over the last 16 games, both teams have won 8 games, and this was the 3rd striaght game that was decided by 3 points or less and the only game that wasn't was decided by 5 points.

Also you continue to mention their 3rd string QB and them not having Ben. I'll personally hand you $200 for every defensive position Ben has played since entering the NFL. That Steelers defense is much better then the Broncos D, so you really don't wanna go there.

You talk about the running backs you have shutdown, ok great. But lets break this great defensive performances down shall we?

Week 1, you held MJD to 113 total yards of offense, i guess by the Broncos standards thats good. But you allowed a guy like David Gerard to go 16/21 for 3 TDs. You gave up passes of 21 and 24 yards for a TDs and another long pass of 26 yards. really great job, i gues when you are used to being a average defense numbers like that are great.

Week 3, you held addai in check wow...your talking about a guy that hasn't had a 1,000 yard season in the last 2 years, you are talking about a guy that has never come close to the 1,200 yards that's the benchmark for quality RBs in the NFL. Ok let's pretend for one second that Addi is really a quality RB, you still allowed Manning to pass for 325 and 3TDs, who needs to run with that type of production?

Week 4, you held CJ in check and that's great beleive me, but your "team" struggled in that game. That Titans offense isn't really as balance as the Ravens offense. Shut down their run game and that offense won't be able to move. VY is a poor version of the old Mike Vick, and that's not good.

You seem to really enjoy the numbers, and if you wanna beleive that your defensive rankings make you a more balanced defense that's cool. But everything you say can be thrown right back at you. You say our #1 pass ranking is soft because of who we played, other then Peyton who have u played, so that makes your #17th pass ranking soft. I can tell you that every defense that we've played is better then your Bronco defense with the exception of the Browns. However i won't do that, i'll just continue to stand by the number that i threw out in my first post towards you, the numbers that you just so happen to aviod.

Flacco's success against 3-4 defense. Don't u play a 3-4?
The Ravens success on 3rd downs. Does your D do a good job on 3rd downs?
Are you guys allowing QBs to complete 60% of their passes?
Are you guys giving up about 4 big plays a game(20+ yards)?
Are you guys allowing a average of 2 passing TDs a game?
Are you guys struggling to run the ball even vs poor defenses?
Has your team struggled on the road this season?

If you can't give a honest answer to all of these questions then, nothing you say pretaining to this game can be taken seriously.

That's just an opinion of mines.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286667298' post='502548']
and no raven fan should talk about scoring. You guys have scored 9pts, 10pts, 17, and 14 pts. That's not exactly lighting it up. You guys are in for a rude awakening tomorrow!
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we've played the Jets, Bengals, Steelers defenses, anybody that watches, no won't even say knows, just watches football knows that those guys are really good defenses, who are you?

I like your team, but you are close to the Browns defense we've played moreso then any of the other 3.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='BRONCOS1' timestamp='1286669466' post='502561']
Well if we can run it will be against you guys who have allowed teams to run every game against you. And you guys will be ranked higher vs the rush while also dropping vs the pass lol. We had a total of 19yds rushing vs tenn who was top 10 vs the pass and yet they couldn't stop us? colts couldn't stop us and we had like 20yds rushing against them. We WILL drive against your defense whether it be on the ground or through the air. The only question is will our redzone offense put up more than fg's. If we score td's this game will be over real quick. That's the only thing holding the broncos back. You guys wont have any success stopping the broncos. It's going to come down to whether the broncos can score in the redzone.
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By your own admission your defense is average at best. Our offense has faced three of the top defenses in the league in the Jets, Steelers and Bengals and are averaging only 6 pts less a game than your offense. Your offense is ranked #1 in yards only, not in scoring. Our offense ranks higher than yours in 3rd down conversions, red zone conversions. Flacco has only one less passing TD than Orton. We have only 1 less TD rushing than your offense. Your shut down rushing defense that you are trying to claim has allowed a measly 16 yds less per game than the Ravens' rush defense. Your pass defense has allowed 90 yds MORE per game than the Ravens. You have allowed 21 pts per game while we have allowed 13 pts per game. Um...where is it that you so overpower us again? I forgot.

[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1286670916' post='502574']
By your own admission your defense is average at best. Our offense has faced three of the top defenses in the league in the Jets, Steelers and Bengals and are averaging only 6 pts less a game than your offense. Your offense is ranked #1 in yards only, not in scoring. Our offense ranks higher than yours in 3rd down conversions, red zone conversions. Flacco has only one less passing TD than Orton. We have only 1 less TD rushing than your offense. Your shut down rushing defense that you are trying to claim has allowed a measly 16 yds less per game than the Ravens' rush defense. Your pass defense has allowed 90 yds MORE per game than the Ravens. You have allowed 21 pts per game while we have allowed 13 pts per game. Um...where is it that you so overpower us again? I forgot.
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our defense is average. And considering we've been horrible for how long on defense its a big help to our team. It's not so much about your offense that worries us. You guys have shown little potential this year on the offensive side of the ball. The only thing bronco fans worry about is whether our team will score a td or a fg in the redzone. mark my words [b]WE WILL GET INTO THE REDZONE SEVERAL TIMES![/b]

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[BRONCOS1]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1286670513' post='502568']
If you know anything about football, you would know that records and numbers don't matter when the Ravens and Steelers play, much the same way as any divison rivals. Over the last 16 games, both teams have won 8 games, and this was the 3rd striaght game that was decided by 3 points or less and the only game that wasn't was decided by 5 points.

Also you continue to mention their 3rd string QB and them not having Ben. I'll personally hand you $200 for every defensive position Ben has played since entering the NFL. That Steelers defense is much better then the Broncos D, so you really don't wanna go there.

You talk about the running backs you have shutdown, ok great. But lets break this great defensive performances down shall we?

Week 1, you held MJD to 113 total yards of offense, i guess by the Broncos standards thats good. But you allowed a guy like David Gerard to go 16/21 for 3 TDs. You gave up passes of 21 and 24 yards for a TDs and another long pass of 26 yards. really great job, i gues when you are used to being a average defense numbers like that are great.

Week 3, you held addai in check wow...your talking about a guy that hasn't had a 1,000 yard season in the last 2 years, you are talking about a guy that has never come close to the 1,200 yards that's the benchmark for quality RBs in the NFL. Ok let's pretend for one second that Addi is really a quality RB, you still allowed Manning to pass for 325 and 3TDs, who needs to run with that type of production?

Week 4, you held CJ in check and that's great beleive me, but your "team" struggled in that game. That Titans offense isn't really as balance as the Ravens offense. Shut down their run game and that offense won't be able to move. VY is a poor version of the old Mike Vick, and that's not good.

You seem to really enjoy the numbers, and if you wanna beleive that your defensive rankings make you a more balanced defense that's cool. But everything you say can be thrown right back at you. You say our #1 pass ranking is soft because of who we played, other then Peyton who have u played, so that makes your #17th pass ranking soft. I can tell you that every defense that we've played is better then your Bronco defense with the exception of the Browns. However i won't do that, i'll just continue to stand by the number that i threw out in my first post towards you, the numbers that you just so happen to aviod.

Flacco's success against 3-4 defense. Don't u play a 3-4?
The Ravens success on 3rd downs. Does your D do a good job on 3rd downs?
Are you guys allowing QBs to complete 60% of their passes?
Are you guys giving up about 4 big plays a game(20+ yards)?
Are you guys allowing a average of 2 passing TDs a game?
Are you guys struggling to run the ball even vs poor defenses?
Has your team struggled on the road this season?

If you can't give a honest answer to all of these questions then, nothing you say pretaining to this game can be taken seriously.

That's just an opinion of mines.
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You open up with #'s dont mean nothing then you post a block full of #'s ??????


Flacco's success against 3-4 defense. Don't u play a 3-4? [b]yup! when champ shuts down boldin who is flacco going to throw to? an angry housh?[/b]
The Ravens success on 3rd downs. Does your D do a good job on 3rd downs? [b]yes we do and your stats is clouded by our indy game where indy had great success. Flacco is no manning[/b]
Are you guys allowing QBs to complete 60% of their passes? [b]Once again clouded by manning game. is flacco going to complete 60%? no not even close![/b]
Are you guys giving up about 4 big plays a game(20+ yards)? [b]since when are 2oyds considered big games? kyle orton leads the league in passes over 20yds so by your logic we have the best big play maker in the nfl[/b]
Are you guys allowing a average of 2 passing TDs a game?[b]can you tell me how many rushing td's we've allowed a game? and clouded by the indy game[/b]
Are you guys struggling to run the ball even vs poor defenses? [b]yup has that stopped us from having the best passing offense in the NFL??? NOPE[/b]
Has your team struggled on the road this season? [b]we blew the jacksonville game and we just won at tenn. so no we haven't[/b]


anymore [i]<deleted>[/i] questions???