Are You Surprised That

[757RavensFan]

...Brian Billick hasn't coached since leaving the Ravens? I'm surprised he's not at least an O-coordinator by now.

[Blex64]

He's a commentator. I'm sure if he wanted to he could coach.

[RivenHale]

I think he's actually tried to coach, and no one really wanted him.

[PuRock]

He'll be back again. He's a superbowl winning champion. I'm not surprised he isn't coaching right now. He really likes commentating partly because he loves to talk.

We are still paying him anyways. He's still living off his old contract with the Ravens, which was extended at the beginning of 2007 for four years (through 2010).

So technically we are paying for two head coaches.

[K-Dog]

actually I am surprised. He had more than a few flaws but he was really good at some things as well.

[SteelersProphet]

this is a little off topic but i was wondering, say your head coach for whatever reason was gone would you be happy or mad if cowher took his place

[PuRock]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1285166305' post='485737']
this is a little off topic but i was wondering, say your head coach for whatever reason was gone would you be happy or mad if cowher took his place
[/quote]

As a Ravens coach, would be a little sick to my stomach at first. But that's proved by a few wins in a row. But they'll always be that question mark when we play the Steelers, as to what side he's really on.

[EMerckx69]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1285167650' post='485757']
As a Ravens coach, would be a little sick to my stomach at first. But that's proved by a few wins in a row. But they'll always be that question mark when we play the Steelers, as to what side he's really on.
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I'm to am surprised as well that he has not coached again, but maybe he is happy with being a commentator. I can't remember the last time I've heard his name mentioned in a coaching search.

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1285012279' post='484042']
...Brian Billick hasn't coached since leaving the Ravens? I'm surprised he's not at least an O-coordinator by now.
[/quote]

I think it's because he's still getting a paycheck from us. I'm not sure. Anyhow he's good at what he does and HE talks about the Ravens.

[Jamal]

I'm not sure, but I think hes still getting paid by the Ravens, and enjoys commentating.

I could see him coming back in a couple years. When he does come back, he wont be taking anything lower than a HC.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='STEELERS PROPHET268' timestamp='1285166305' post='485737']
this is a little off topic but i was wondering, say your head coach for whatever reason was gone would you be happy or mad if cowher took his place
[/quote]

GOOOOOOOOD question.

At first I would pretty much hate life.

But after I thought about all he accomplished and what not I would feel pretty stoked.

[RedFire]

one can same the same thing about john gruden, lol.

but john gruden is still studying the wildcat for his comeback, haha.

[ravens13]

Billick is good as a commentator, but it appears that he has been wanting to coach again and has not been hired, while Cowher seems to have his pick of many jobs around the league. Billick's career winning percentage is 54% and Cowher's is 62%.

I admit that 8% is a significant difference, but, they also each have only one superbowl ring. The media (and apparently many front offices) talk about Cowher like he is the best coach ever, but Cowher was a head coach for 15 years before he was awarded the Lombardi trophy, while Billick won the superbowl in only his second year. The Rooney's are loyal, but I can't think of many coaches that have gone 15 years with the same team without a superbowl ring. I think Jeff Fisher is on 17 now. A case can be made for Cowher being the more desirable coach, but the love affair with him is ridiculous, as is the failure to consider Billick.

That said, I hope Cowher gets back into coaching next year so I don't have to see him as a commentator anymore, especially since there is no chance that the Ravens would ever hire him.

[SteelSaw]

[quote name='ravens13' timestamp='1285608421' post='489799']
Billick is good as a commentator, but it appears that he has been wanting to coach again and has not been hired, while Cowher seems to have his pick of many jobs around the league. Billick's career winning percentage is 54% and Cowher's is 62%.

I admit that 8% is a significant difference, but, they also each have only one superbowl ring. The media (and apparently many front offices) talk about Cowher like he is the best coach ever, but Cowher was a head coach for 15 years before he was awarded the Lombardi trophy, while Billick won the superbowl in only his second year. The Rooney's are loyal, but I can't think of many coaches that have gone 15 years with the same team without a superbowl ring. I think Jeff Fisher is on 17 now. A case can be made for Cowher being the more desirable coach, but the love affair with him is ridiculous, as is the failure to consider Billick.

That said, I hope Cowher gets back into coaching next year so I don't have to see him as a commentator anymore, especially since there is no chance that the Ravens would ever hire him.
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Bill has In 15 seasons, captured eight division titles, earned ten postseason playoff berths, played in 21 playoff games, advanced to six AFC Championship games and made two Super Bowl appearances. He did all that with qb's like O'donnell, Kordell, Maddox, etc.. If we could have found someone that was a little more elite at Qb at that time we probably would have 9 or more Lombardy torphies in our house right now.

[berad]

[quote name='SteelSaw' timestamp='1285615081' post='489910']
Bill has In 15 seasons, captured eight division titles, earned ten postseason playoff berths, played in 21 playoff games, advanced to six AFC Championship games and made two Super Bowl appearances. He did all that with qb's like O'donnell, Kordell, Maddox, etc.. [b]If we could have found someone that was a little more elite at Qb at that time we probably would have 9 or more Lombardy torphies in our house right now.[/b]
[/quote]

You could say the same thing about the Ravens..

The past is the past and it doesn't really matter. How did Joe Gibbs do in his second time back?

[SteelSaw]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1285615652' post='489924']
You could say the same thing about the Ravens..

The past is the past and it doesn't really matter. How did Joe Gibbs do in his second time back?
[/quote]

Billick had what, gotten to one afc champ, with a superbowl win with you guys out of 9 years? correct me if I am wrong there

As far as Joe Gibbs, the man was disconnected from football in favor for Nascar for 12 years and tried to comeback to coach a game that has changed and evolved since his hay days in the 80's. no surprise there he failed

[berad]

[quote name='SteelSaw' timestamp='1285617203' post='489951']
Billick had what, gotten to one afc champ, with a superbowl win with you guys out of 9 years? correct me if I am wrong there

As far as Joe Gibbs, the man was disconnected from football in favor for Nascar for 12 years and tried to comeback to coach a game that has changed and evolved since his hay days in the 80's. no surprise there he failed
[/quote]

You're right about Billick but he had less than peanuts to work with at the QB position. Just saying, the argument could also be made that if the Ravens had a good, solid QB, they would have won a few more championships.

Obviously, that didn't happen. And it's no use bringing it up. A revisionist history isn't history at all.

And I'm just using the most relevant/recent coach to come out of retirement as an example. Mike Shanahan is trying again in Washington, we'll see how that goes, too.

[SteelSaw]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1285618793' post='489978']
You're right about Billick but he had less than peanuts to work with at the QB position. Just saying, the argument could also be made that if the Ravens had a good, solid QB, they would have won a few more championships.

Obviously, that didn't happen. And it's no use bringing it up. A revisionist history isn't history at all.

And I'm just using the most relevant/recent coach to come out of retirement as an example. Mike Shanahan is trying again in Washington, we'll see how that goes, too.
[/quote]
I get ya man.. I said what I said based on actually getting to the champoinship game and losing it 4 times under Bill with the Qb's he had that got us there but couldnt get over the hump

[berad]

[quote name='SteelSaw' timestamp='1285619461' post='489992']
I get ya man.. I said what I said based on actually getting to the champoinship game and losing it 4 times under Bill with the Qb's he had that got us there but couldnt get over the hump
[/quote]

I get that. And if Kyle Boller didn't stink so hard against you guys, we might actually be ahead in the series

[theFRANCHISE]

Brian Billick is excellent as an analyst but still needs to find his stride as a television personality; when it comes to the X's and O's, he's great, but he still shows trepidation when he's making transitions to commercial breaks like on NFLN's The Coaches Show.

When Billick gets more experience under his belt, he could eventually be like John Madden in his prime as a commentator. Remember, Madden wasn't always Captain Obvious in his career as an analyst.

As for Billick making a return to coaching, there's no doubt in my mind that he'd jump at a chance to come back if he got an offer, but teams are probably wary of his ego.

[Natural Born Hitters]

I know this would never happen, but wouldn't it be sweet if Billick was our Offensive Coordinator? He would finally have the weapons he always wanted. Just imagine.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Natural Born Hitters' timestamp='1285635772' post='490229']
I know this would never happen, but wouldn't it be sweet if Billick was our Offensive Coordinator? He would finally have the weapons he always wanted. Just imagine.
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His playcalling would be even more anemic than Cam Cameron's recent head-scratchers.

[Natural Born Hitters]

Ha ok proven wrong, now delete my post before a million topics are made on it. lol.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1285637803' post='490246']
His playcalling would be even more anemic than Cam Cameron's recent head-scratchers.
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I dont know if itd be that bad, Billick in 06 turned Clayton into basically a 1000 yard receiver and Heap had 800 yards receiving.

[ravens13]

When Billick had the players his offenses looked at least good and sometimes great. When he had the players in Minnesota, his offense put up ridiculous stats. The offense was also very good in 2006 with Steve McNair here in Baltimore, despite having Mark Clayton as his best receiver. The Billick ego issue is overblown too. When he got here with the offensive genius title, he realized that he had a great defense in the making, drafted a bruising running back (Jamal Lewis) to eat the clock and keep the defense rested, and did not ask his sub-par quarterbacks to do anything more than manage the game. He let Marvin Lewis' defense take the glory and the credit. For a guy coming from a pass happy, throw it all around the field offense in Minnesota where he was touted as a genius, that is the exact opposite of what a guy with a huge ego would do. Billick's downfall was his faith in Kyle Boller. I know that this is a long time ago and most people have forgotten, but I thought that there was a good chance that Cowher would be fired for his constant faith in Kordell Stewart, when Kordell was clearly not good enough to get Pittsburgh over the hump.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='ravens13' timestamp='1285678497' post='490520']
When Billick had the players his offenses looked at least good and sometimes great. When he had the players in Minnesota, his offense put up ridiculous stats. The offense was also very good in 2006 with Steve McNair here in Baltimore, despite having Mark Clayton as his best receiver. The Billick ego issue is overblown too. When he got here with the offensive genius title, he realized that he had a great defense in the making, drafted a bruising running back (Jamal Lewis) to eat the clock and keep the defense rested, and did not ask his sub-par quarterbacks to do anything more than manage the game. He let Marvin Lewis' defense take the glory and the credit. For a guy coming from a pass happy, throw it all around the field offense in Minnesota where he was touted as a genius, that is the exact opposite of what a guy with a huge ego would do. Billick's downfall was his faith in Kyle Boller. I know that this is a long time ago and most people have forgotten, but I thought that there was a good chance that Cowher would be fired for his constant faith in Kordell Stewart, when Kordell was clearly not good enough to get Pittsburgh over the hump.
[/quote]
I agree 100%, I dont even really think Billick was that bad of a coach like alot of people seem to think at least. By 2004-2005ish Billick had a patch worked Oline(he doesnt control that) and Ozzie coincidentally had his worst drafts as a GM in the NFL (2004). In 2006 he went for it all, giving up on Boller as his starter and going for McNair because as we saw 2006 was the last year that his core group from the 2000 winning season was still able to perform at a high level. After 2007 the deck had totally fallen apart and we needed a change at the top. It was just the only move we could make. I dont harbor any bad feelings towards Billick except the Boller era.