Could The Talk About The Jets Be Any More True?

[Ngata Chance]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284750083' post='479499']
Wouldn't dream of saying as such. If you go back, I was questioning the mocking of the Jets overall by Ravens fans because I don't think the ground is there to stand on.
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Sorry, I did go back and you are right. All I saw was your post that I responded to.

If we had beaten them by 21 or so, perhaps a mocking would be in order. Not in this case, though.

[gilgamesh]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284750274' post='479501']
You're speculating and making excuses [u]only[/u] for the Ravens performance. Just because a guy was held doesn't mean those would have been completions. For all you know, and judging by the play made by Cromartie, it's [u]just as[/u] likely that those throws are incomplete or picked off. Save maybe one or two (like the PI on Mason). The Jets made mistakes too.
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Meh, like I said, it's all moot and I'm so used to low scoring games by now(I blame Boller, don't care it there was more to it, it's just easier). Anything other than what happened is also just speculation. My opinion was their DBs held because they got beaten, meaning they were not in position to make a play, meaning it wasn't just as likely that they would make a play over our receivers. I'm only making "excuses"(really, I don't see the difference between that and reasons on this board,lol) for our side because you already made the case for the Jets. I said they forced TOs and we forced the penalties(first sentence of my last post). Give the WRs some credit for the penalties. I certainly think they played a good game on defense and ST, not taking anything away from them. In the end Jets made mistakes, we made mistakes, we won. Good enough for me. If we can "escape [every team] with a win" all the way to the SB, I've got no complaints. Also, the reason for the backlash against the them on this board is b/c everybody was tired of hearing them the entire off-season, at least that's my opinion. Was it right or wrong? Don't care, tired of talking about them already. Tired of talking about them in order to debate with you too, lol, so this may be my last post on the topic.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284748531' post='479471']
The Jets forced 3 turnovers and their offense is average at best.

You guys have an above average defense (perhaps a suspect secondary, although they played extremely well) and all the offensive weapons an OC could want and were held to 10 points. The Jets had over ONE HUNDRED YARDS in penalties and along with forcing 3 turnovers, lost by only one point. The Ravens escaped NY with a win. That's my opinion and I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's how I see it.
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You could also say that the penalties were forced upon the Jets secondary by the job the receivers did and Flacco throwing catch able balls. Refs didnt throw the flags because it was 6 years since we've been on the good end of those calls. Either way you turn the penalty rate its speculative at best. Would they have won without the penalties, its very possible...but as you said in another thread about the Bengals sweeping the division without actually being impressive..."it doesnt matter what we say because it happened"

[thewarden86]

[quote name='gilgamesh' timestamp='1284751469' post='479515']
Meh, like I said, it's all moot and I'm so used to low scoring games by now(I blame Boller, don't care it there was more to it, it's just easier).[/quote]

lol, I wouldn't blame you for that one bit.

[quote name='gilgamesh' timestamp='1284751469' post='479515'] Anything other than what happened is also just speculation. My opinion was their DBs held because they got beaten, meaning they were not in position to make a play, meaning it wasn't just as likely that they would make a play over our receivers. I'm only making "excuses"(really, I don't see the difference between that and reasons on this board,lol) for our side because you already made the case for the Jets. I said they forced TOs and we forced the penalties(first sentence of my last post). Give the WRs some credit for the penalties. I certainly think they played a good game on defense and ST, not taking anything away from them. In the end Jets made mistakes, we made mistakes, we won. Good enough for me. If we can "escape [every team] with a win" all the way to the SB, I've got no complaints. Also, the reason for the backlash against the them on this board is b/c everybody was tired of hearing them the entire off-season, at least that's my opinion. Was it right or wrong? Don't care, tired of talking about them already. Tired of talking about them in order to debate with you too, lol, so this may be my last post on the topic.[/quote]


Again, I don't mean to take anything away from the Ravens. I just don't think there's much room to brag or mock the Jets.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1284751859' post='479520']
You could also say that the penalties were forced upon the Jets secondary by the job the receivers did and Flacco throwing catch able balls. Refs didnt throw the flags because it was 6 years since we've been on the good end of those calls. Either way you turn the penalty rate its speculative at best. Would they have won without the penalties, its very possible...but as you said in another thread about the Bengals sweeping the division without actually being impressive...[b]"it doesnt matter what we say because it happened"[/b]
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Right, but they really did earn bragging rights.....for last year. I'm not too concerned with them this year. I'm sure you guys aren't either. My whole issue is the braggin like it was a 31-3 Ravens win; it wasn't.

When the Steelers beat the Falcons in OT, my reaction was: "YESS! .... whew" and I sighed a bit.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Ngata Chance' timestamp='1284749912' post='479497']
That is all true. But in being held to only 10 points, is that a slight against a revamped offense, still learning to work together? Or is it a testament to the Jets defence, who was ranked what last year?

At the end of the day, the Ravens did win. There will be no asterisk in the win column saying "Could have lost by a field goal" or "ONLY won by one point".
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Just adding....

Our offense actually moved down the field on them with relative ease. The reason we only scored only 10 points came down to the turnovers (one of which was on the goal line) and the fact that we knew they couldn't score on us. It was better for us to give them back the ball than to risk a field goal or throwing downfield and giving them better field position.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1284753763' post='479543']
Just adding....

Our offense actually moved down the field on them with relative ease. The reason we only scored only 10 points came down to the turnovers (one of which was on the goal line) and the fact that we knew they couldn't score on us. It was better for us to give them back the ball than to risk a field goal or throwing downfield and giving them better field position.
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I'm not sure where you were going with this. Are you making excuses or giving credit where it is due?

[flynismo]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284745206' post='479400']<br />Umm, they lost the game by 1 point. If anything, they beat themselves. I think the Ravens EARNED about two first downs on that game. You guys should be thankful to have done barely enough to escape with the win. I know I wouldn't be talking if it was the Steelers.<br />[/quote]

If we lost, we could have used the excuse that we beat ourselves by giving away 14 points on a dropped TD and overthrown TD pass to a wide open McClain...heck, we can use that as an excuse as to why we didnt blow them out if we wanted to.
Bottom line, loss is a loss...I'm not into that gloating biznaz, but if anyone has any room to say anything, it would be us.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1284756543' post='479574']
If we lost, we could have used the excuse that we beat ourselves by giving away 14 points on a dropped TD and overthrown TD pass to a wide open McClain...heck, we can use that as an excuse as to why we didnt blow them out if we wanted to.
Bottom line, loss is a loss...I'm not into that gloating biznaz, but if anyone has any room to say anything, it would be us.
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You can say you won, but that's about it. For some folks, that doesn't seem to be enough.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284753230' post='479531']
Right, but they really did earn bragging rights.....for last year. I'm not too concerned with them this year. I'm sure you guys aren't either. My whole issue is the braggin like it was a 31-3 Ravens win; it wasn't.

When the Steelers beat the Falcons in OT, my reaction was: "YESS! .... whew" and I sighed a bit.
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Did you actually watch the whole game? The Jets had nothing to hurt us. Closed to end of the game, we didn't want to make any more mistakes and are confident with our defense, so we played conservatively to wind down the clock. However, on the third down of our last possession we made a mistake that we didn't run to kill the Jets's last timeout instead overthrowing the ball. Summing up, we should do better than 10-9 offensively. We bragged because we beat them at their new stadium packed with more than 73k. Not only the Jets fan backing them up, the media and the non Jets fans, so we win with pride.

I wouldn't brag if we beat the Jets 10-9 in our own stadium.

Also, if Rex Ryan hadn't call us out, we wouldn't be so making this game so much of a deal btw.

PS: If we beat you the Steelers in the AFC championship just by 1pt, we still brag about it.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1284757491' post='479587']
Did you actually watch the whole game? The Jets had nothing to hurt us. Closed to end of the game, we didn't want to make any more mistakes and are confident with our defense, so we played conservatively to wind down the clock. However, on the third down of our last possession we made a mistake that we didn't run to kill the Jets's last timeout instead overthrowing the ball. Summing up, we should do better than 10-9 offensively. We bragged because we beat them at their new stadium packed with more than 73k. Not only the Jets fan backing them up, the media and the non Jets fans, so we win with pride.

I wouldn't brag if we beat the Jets 10-9 in our own stadium.

Also, if Rex Ryan hadn't call us out, we wouldn't be so making this game so much of a deal btw.

PS: If we beat you the Steelers in the [b]AFC championship[/b] just by 1pt, we still brag about it.
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That'd be different. I just don't think the victory warranted too much yapping. My opinion.

You actually reminded me of one thing and this can probably best be answered by Purple Nurple: Was there a lot of Ravens fans in the stands? I heard the "Heeeaaaaaaap" chant and it was pretty loud for an away game (don't let that swell your heads, lol).

[AsianRice]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284758478' post='479603']
That'd be different. I just don't think the victory warranted too much yapping. My opinion.

You actually reminded me of one thing and this can probably best be answered by Purple Nurple: Was there a lot of Ravens fans in the stands? [b]I heard the "Heeeaaaaaaap" chant and it was pretty loud for an away game [/b](don't let that swell your heads, lol).
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I heard that too but from 10 people in my family screaming Heap. Well, I think we had some numbers of Ravens fans from the stands.

We were brought into the Jets game with a concensus prediction that we would lose. It always feels great when we beat the odds.

PS: We only retaliate those who disrespect us. Other than that, any win will make my day.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1284759236' post='479627']
I heard that too but from 10 people in my family screaming Heap. Well, I think we had some numbers of Ravens fans from the stands.

We were brought into the Jets game with a concensus prediction that we would lose. It always feels great when we beat the odds.

PS: [b]We only retaliate those who disrespect us.[/b] Other than that, any win will make my day.
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Ray Lewis made a big deal out of nothing. Let's not go there.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284753230' post='479531']
Right, but they really did earn bragging rights.....for last year. I'm not too concerned with them this year. I'm sure you guys aren't either. [b]My whole issue is the braggin like it was a 31-3 Ravens win; it wasn't.[/b]

When the Steelers beat the Falcons in OT, my reaction was: "YESS! .... whew" and I sighed a bit.
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Ya I can understand that, although it was a 10-9 game I never felt like the game wasnt in our own control to win. I think most fans on the board realize it was a 1 point game, and maybe just get carried away with how bad the Jets offense looked against our defense, and then it insinuates a reaction like it wasnt close.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284759338' post='479630']
[b]Ray Lewis made a big deal out of nothing[/b]. Let's not go there.
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Out of nothing? um...Returning to Baltimore with a W is nothing?

I want to see if Rex calls out Polamalu or Ward, I guess you would shut up and lets it roll.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284759338' post='479630']
Ray Lewis made a big deal out of nothing. Let's not go there.
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Michael Jordan used to do the same thing, he'd hear what he wanted to hear from the media and from the other team to take his competitiveness and intensity to a whole other level. I think Ray just hit a breaking point, everything the Jets were saying was just piling on and piling on him and then as soon as he heard Rex say that he tapped out in anything, that was it, last straw. Didnt really matter what Rex said at that point. However I do know that Rex saying that the Ravens defense had lost some of its discipline and technique since he left really pissed him off.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1284760102' post='479647']
Michael Jordan used to do the same thing, he'd hear what he wanted to hear from the media and from the other team to take his competitiveness and intensity to a whole other level. I think Ray just hit a breaking point, everything the Jets were saying was just piling on and piling on him and then as soon as he heard Rex say that he tapped out in anything, that was it, last straw. Didnt really matter what Rex said at that point. However I do know that Rex saying that the Ravens defense had lost some of its discipline and technique since he left really pissed him off.
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I grant you one thing (and keep in mind that I do not like Ray Lewis). Ray said, "I thought we would be talking about the Saints. But all I keep hearing is Jets. Okay, let's go see what these guys are all about."

I really liked that quote.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1284759877' post='479641']
Out of nothing? um...Returning to Baltimore with a W is nothing?

I want to see if Rex calls out Polamalu or Ward, I guess you would shut up and lets it roll.
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Ray made a big deal about Rex mentioning him in Hard Knocks. All he said was Ray and Ed were "tapping out" with the play calling.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1284759801' post='479640']
Ya I can understand that, although it was a 10-9 game I never felt like the game wasnt in our own control to win. I think most fans on the board realize it was a 1 point game, and maybe just get carried away with how bad the Jets offense looked against our defense, and then it insinuates a reaction like it wasnt close.
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I was monitoring the game that night in here. Some Ravens fans (won't mention any names) acted as if the sky was falling at certain points very early on.

[flynismo]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1284757491' post='479587']<br />Did you actually watch the whole game? The Jets had nothing to hurt us. Closed to end of the game, we didn't want to make any more mistakes and are confident with our defense, so we played conservatively to wind down the clock. However, on the third down of our last possession we made a mistake that we didn't run to kill the Jets's last timeout instead overthrowing the ball. Summing up, we should do better than 10-9 offensively. We bragged because we beat them at their new stadium packed with more than 73k. Not only the Jets fan backing them up, the media and the non Jets fans, so we win with pride.<br /><br />I wouldn't brag if we beat the Jets 10-9 in our own stadium. <br /><br />Also, if Rex Ryan hadn't call us out, we wouldn't be so making this game so much of a deal btw.<br /><br />PS: If we beat you the Steelers in the AFC championship just by 1pt, we still brag about it.<br />[/quote]


Just my opinion, but I think we're the better team. We were supposed to win that game, on the road or not...and a lot of people are hyping us as the team to beat in the AFC. We shouldn't brag about doing what we were supposed to do..

[thewarden86]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1284764056' post='479688']
Just my opinion, but I think we're the better team. We were supposed to win that game, on the road or not...and a lot of people are hyping us as the team to beat in the AFC. We shouldn't brag about doing what we were supposed to do..
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Now there's the voice of reason I've grown accustomed to. Listen and learn from Fly people, he represents Ravens Fans well.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284748531' post='479471']
The Jets forced 3 turnovers and their offense is average at best.

You guys have an above average defense (perhaps a suspect secondary, although they played extremely well) and all the offensive weapons an OC could want and were held to 10 points. The Jets had over ONE HUNDRED YARDS in penalties and along with forcing 3 turnovers, lost by only one point. The Ravens escaped NY with a win. That's my opinion and I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's how I see it.
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Above average defense? That's all you're giving us? To me, above average means you're estimating that we have a defense ranked from 15 to 10. Fairly sure we'll be in the top 10, if not 5, again when all is said and done! That's my opinion...

Okie dokie......

[SnOoPy]

Jets special team did terrific. Pinning us wayyyyyy back deep. To me, I think the Ravens would of at least get a FG or TD in those drives. Good job to the jets on special team.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284760507' post='479656']
I was monitoring the game that night in here. Some Ravens fans (won't mention any names) acted as if the sky was falling at certain points very early on.
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sadly I could prob point them out as well.

[JohnJohnson]

I love how the Jets can get credit for losing by only one point, because they "beat themselves." I wonder if Warden thought the same thing last year when the Ravens went to Pittsburgh and basically beat themselves, even more so than the Jets. The most significant penalties on the Jets were PI calls which probably would have been catches. And to say that the Ravens got lucky when they gave up 3 red zone turnovers and were pinned in bad field position for half the game...is ridiculous. If anything, the Jets got lucky that it was so close. They thought they could cover any receivers, but they just gave up 250 yards plus PI yards.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1284766917' post='479702']
I love how the Jets can get credit for losing by only one point, because they "beat themselves." I wonder if Warden thought the same thing last year when the Ravens went to Pittsburgh and basically beat themselves, even more so than the Jets. The most significant penalties on the Jets were PI calls which probably would have been catches. And to say that the Ravens got lucky when they gave up 3 red zone turnovers and were pinned in bad field position for half the game...is ridiculous. If anything, the Jets got lucky that it was so close. They thought they could cover any receivers, but they just gave up 250 yards plus PI yards.
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I don't think they got lucky at all; over 100 yards in penalties and a 1 pt. loss. Would you call that lucky???

[Clutch Ravens]

The Jets aren't the same 9-7 team that had the playoffs handed to them - they're worse. People are starting to believe Rex's hype and it's unbearably annoying.

The Jets are no more than an over-hyped mediocre team that we SHOULD be beating if we have Superbowl aspirations. We should have been able to put up a lot more than 10 points on that D with the weapons we have, but we were prevented from doing so by poor play-calling paired with poor execution.

The Jets are a team that real AFC competitors should beat if they execute. Our D was strong but benefited from having the horrendous Sanchez under center.

If we want to win then our offense as a whole needs to play a lot better, particularly the offensive line.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284764695' post='479693']
Now there's the voice of reason I've grown accustomed to. Listen and learn from Fly people, he represents Ravens Fans well.
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LOL, hold the man love for sec......

If my team lost in the Jets game, I would take it as a man and deal with it. Is there a instruction how to be a fan? lol

I accept smack talk if we lost that game or vice versa.

I guess you don't want the discussion....

[thewarden86]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1284768612' post='479722']
LOL, hold the man love for sec......

If my team lost in the Jets game, I would take it as a man and deal with it. Is there a instruction how to be a fan? lol

I accept smack talk if we lost that game or vice versa.

I guess you don't want the discussion....
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I'd wouldn't unless it was you guys. And even then it would be mild, but I'd engage only because we're usually evenly matched and have close games.

Don't get me wrong, while I rooted for the Jets to win (division implications), I wasn't upset that I didn't have to listen to their fans here at work.

My point, once again, is given the weapons you guys have offensively, I wouldn't brag about a 1 pt. win. and being held to 10 points ESPECIALLY given the over 100 yards of penalties.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284767499' post='479708']
I don't think they got lucky at all; over 100 yards in penalties and a 1 pt. loss. Would you call that lucky???
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Sigh...as I said, we had 3 red zone turnovers (Greene gave one back), and terrible field position all game. Their special teams and defense made plays which can't be relied on every game. And, as is obvious to most people, but apparently not to you, pass interference accounted for many of those penalty yards. The receivers likely would have caught the ball, if not for the obvious interference. It was the result of their corners getting beat. So, yes, they were fortunate to have the opportunity to kick a FG at the end of the game for the win.

Oh, and my other point...were the Steelers lucky when the Ravens "beat themselves" at Heinz field last season? Because that's how many of us looked at it, but I bet you'd disagree. The difference is, we didn't have a turnover ratio of +2.