Could The Talk About The Jets Be Any More True?

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

I saw this article on ESPN.com. I found it to be so true about so many things. Its how alot of us here on the Ravens side feel and it seems to be Nationwide.

I personally think Rex has made a joke of himself and the organization. There are just too many things wrong with the way he is doing things. You can disagree and that is fine. I just see it like: Example- If you had a classroom full of students and you just allowed them to move all the furniture where they want, sit where they want, pick what subjects to cover(if anything at all), come to class when they want, leave when they want, use what ever language they feel like (unexceptable language), and not do any homework. You get my point. It is unexceptable for a professional team to act this way and their coach just wants to be one of the guys.

Check out the article [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=howard/100915"]My link[/url]

Whats your opinion?

[MsMarvel73]

That's the problem when a coach wants to be one of the guys. They are getting precisely what they deserve. I'm SO glad we hired Harbaugh instead.

May we please stop talking about the Jets now. We've got thirteen other teams to focus on, starting with the Bengals.

[theFRANCHISE]

I know it's early in the season, but a lot of the criticism towards the Jets appears to hold water. They talk big but they're not backing it up just yet. Again, still early, but if Mark Sanchez's performance was any indication, it could be a long and frustrating season for Jets fans.

Although I can understand where some fans would love Rex Ryan's off-the-cuff approach and find his bluntness refreshing, but the NFL is still a business and NFL teams are extensions of one large corporation. Rex Ryan doesn't need to suddenly wear suits on the sidelines and clean up his language, but he at least needs to start acting like a professional head coach. He's attracting all of this unnecessary attention to his team, and though some players respond to that type of motivation, it's even more deflating to the team than the fans when the product on the field doesn't match the hype.

Rex tried to build his team up as world-beaters, but in stroking their collective ego, he also stoked the flames of 31 other teams in the NFL and unintentionally planted the seed of insecurity within his own team. Every time the Jets struggle, that seed will grow until it eventually consumes the team in feelings of doubt and defeat, simply because they couldn't live up to the reputation their head coach had built for them.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1284598735' post='478289']
That's the problem when a coach wants to be one of the guys. They are getting precisely what they deserve. I'm SO glad we hired Harbaugh instead.

May we please stop talking about the Jets now. We've got thirteen other teams to focus on, starting with the Bengals.
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Sure the Ravens need to concentrate on the Bengals. That doesnt take away from the fact that the jets make an interesting topic to talk about. This was a little different than all the other jet topics already started. Sorry.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1284598819' post='478292']
I know it's early in the season, but a lot of the criticism towards the Jets appears to hold water. They talk big but they're not backing it up just yet. Again, still early, but if Mark Sanchez's performance was any indication, it could be a long and frustrating season for Jets fans.

Although I can understand where some fans would love Rex Ryan's off-the-cuff approach and find his bluntness refreshing, but the NFL is still a business and NFL teams are extensions of one large corporation. Rex Ryan doesn't need to suddenly wear suits on the sidelines and clean up his language, but he at least needs to start acting like a professional head coach. He's attracting all of this unnecessary attention to his team, and though some players respond to that type of motivation, it's even more deflating to the team than the fans when the product on the field doesn't match the hype.

Rex tried to build his team up as world-beaters, but in stroking their collective ego, he also stoked the flames of 31 other teams in the NFL and unintentionally planted the seed of insecurity within his own team. Every time the Jets struggle, that seed will grow until it eventually consumes the team in feelings of doubt and defeat, simply because they couldn't live up to the reputation their head coach had built for them.
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Very well said Franny. I wish I had you flare for words.

[MsMarvel73]

[quote name='Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan' timestamp='1284599888' post='478314']
Sure the Ravens need to concentrate on the Bengals. That doesnt take away from the fact that the jets make an interesting topic to talk about. This was a little different than all the other jet topics already started. Sorry.
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I apologize if that came across too harsh. It's all Jets all the time it seems...even around here and I'm getting sick of it.

But yet I posted a link to that article to my Facebook.



I'm sorry for snapping...lots of driving makes for a cranky.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1284600064' post='478318']
I apologize if that came across too harsh. It's all Jets all the time it seems...even around here and I'm getting sick of it.

But yet I posted a link to that article to my Facebook.



I'm sorry for snapping...lots of driving makes for a cranky.
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No offense taken. I just love a good bedtime story every now and then. Ha I understand about being cranky. Take a deep breath and remember the win last week. That should help.

[MsMarvel73]

[quote name='Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan' timestamp='1284601448' post='478340']
No offense taken. I just love a good bedtime story every now and then. Ha I understand about being cranky. [b]Take a deep breath and remember the win last week.[/b] That should help.
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Heh heh as soon as I read that, a huge grin broke out upon my face. Yeah.....two trips from NC to PA and back in the span of two weeks....I must be insane. But I promised my nieces I would be here for their combined birthday party (which is Saturday afternoon). Just haven't gotten a whole lot of sleep since Monday night

[MagicianCamille]

Let's see more than one game out of them before we start in on them. One field goal and we're not talking about any of this and are instead crying about our own team.

Remember guys, we won by [i]one point[/i].

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1284601701' post='478345']
Let's see more than one game out of them before we start in on them. One field goal and we're not talking about any of this and are instead crying about our own team.

Remember guys, we won by [i]one point[/i].
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Regardless of how many points we won by, it doesn't change the fact that the Jets are simply not playing as the Super Bowl team that Rex believes his team to be.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1284601701' post='478345']
Let's see more than one game out of them before we start in on them. One field goal and we're not talking about any of this and are instead crying about our own team.

Remember guys, we won by [i]one point[/i].
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One point at the end of the season still has a W next to it!

[AsianRice]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1284598819' post='478292']
I know it's early in the season, but a lot of the criticism towards the Jets appears to hold water. They talk big but they're not backing it up just yet. Again, still early, but if Mark Sanchez's performance was any indication, it could be a long and frustrating season for Jets fans.

Although I can understand where some fans would love Rex Ryan's off-the-cuff approach and find his bluntness refreshing, but the NFL is still a business and NFL teams are extensions of one large corporation. Rex Ryan doesn't need to suddenly wear suits on the sidelines and clean up his language, but he at least needs to start acting like a professional head coach. He's attracting all of this unnecessary attention to his team, and though some players respond to that type of motivation, it's even more deflating to the team than the fans when the product on the field doesn't match the hype.

Rex tried to build his team up as world-beaters, but in stroking their collective ego, he also stoked the flames of 31 other teams in the NFL and unintentionally planted the seed of insecurity within his own team. Every time the Jets struggle, that seed will grow until it eventually consumes the team in feelings of doubt and defeat, simply because they couldn't live up to the reputation their head coach had built for them.
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You said it all. Well written....

[Natural Born Hitters]

This article pretty much hits the nail on the head. Eating cheeseburgers during a scrimmage? Really?
You gotta love these last few lines of the article, its the icing on the cake.

"As Ravens coach John Harbaugh has said, the more disciplined, poised team won Monday's opener.

That wasn't the 2010 Jets. And we're still not sure they'll be that kind of team."

[Malkavian Raven]

Ryan wrote a check his players can't cash.

You think teams are gunning for the Saints..... if the Ravens were any indication, the Jets are going to have bigger problems than the reigning champs.

[MagicianCamille]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1284602230' post='478353']
Regardless of how many points we won by, it doesn't change the fact that the Jets are simply not playing as the Super Bowl team that Rex believes his team to be.
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Neither are the Ravens by that logic, since one game is apparently all the evidence that is needed to make such a determination.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1284612979' post='478479']
Neither are the Ravens by that logic, since one game is apparently all the evidence that is needed to make such a determination.
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I never said we were, that was not the point of the post, which apparently you're not getting. Anyways, the difference is Harbaugh isn't running to the media saying we're the team to beat in the AFC, that we're going to win it all this year. Regardless though, we're getting props from that game, while the Jets are not.

[flynismo]

[BrownsFan]

I think the hate that Ryan has brought on is somewhat justified but they do have a really good defense. Say what you want but they still ONLY lost 10-9 to the Ravens with an offense that looked worse than a middle school team. I'm not saying they're going to rock the NFL this season but after only one week it's way too early to tell what they'll do.

[thewarden86]

Umm, they lost the game by 1 point. If anything, they beat themselves. I think the Ravens EARNED about two first downs on that game. You guys should be thankful to have done barely enough to escape with the win. I know I wouldn't be talking if it was the Steelers.

[BrownsFan]

I'm personally amazed at how insanely great the Jets played on 1st and 2nd down but when it came to 3rd down they just flat out sucked.

[gilgamesh]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284745206' post='479400']
Umm, they lost the game by 1 point. If anything, they beat themselves. [b]I think the Ravens EARNED about two first downs on that game.[/b] You guys should be thankful to have done barely enough to escape with the win. I know I wouldn't be talking if it was the Steelers.
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What do you mean by we only earned 2? We got first downs fourteen times outside of penalties on last year's best D statistically. They should be thankful we had three turnovers, one right after a dropped TD pass, or it would have been a shutout. Also, the holding penalties, I assume these were what you implied we didn't earn, happened b/c their defensive backs got BEATEN, not b/c they thought it was fun.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='gilgamesh' timestamp='1284746729' post='479422']
What do you mean by we only earned 2? We got first downs fourteen times outside of penalties on last year's best D statistically. They should be thankful we had three turnovers, one right after a dropped TD pass, or it would have been a shutout. Also, the holding penalties, I assume these were what you implied we didn't earn, happened b/c their defensive backs got BEATEN, not b/c they thought it was fun.
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good rebuttal! Warden, you're a little off the mark with your analysis. Just as the jets made mistakes and "allowed" us to win, we made mistakes that enabled them to even be in the game.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='BrownsFan' timestamp='1284745766' post='479402']
I'm personally amazed at how insanely great the Jets played on 1st and 2nd down but when it came to 3rd down they just flat out sucked.
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I hear Jets fans blaming Schottenheimer for coddling Sanchez, but if I'm not mistaken, he had the option of changing plays at the line.

Aside from penalties, their defense was phenominal, ESPECIALLY when you consider all of the weapons they had to defend.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='gilgamesh' timestamp='1284746729' post='479422']
What do you mean by we only earned 2? We got first downs fourteen times outside of penalties on last year's best D statistically. They should be thankful we had three turnovers, one right after a dropped TD pass, or it would have been a shutout. Also, the holding penalties, I assume these were what you implied we didn't earn, happened b/c their defensive backs got BEATEN, not b/c they thought it was fun.
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I'm not the only one who thinks this way. The Jets beat themselves. Their defense held your offense to 10 points. And that TD came after a questionable penalty on the kicker in a FG attempt. Yea, it's a rule, but like "Chucky" said, it's like giving a ticket for 36 mph in a 35 mph zone. There were other questionable calls.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1284747853' post='479457']
good rebuttal! Warden, you're a little off the mark with your analysis. Just as the jets made mistakes and "allowed" us to win, we made mistakes that enabled them to even be in the game.
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The Jets forced 3 turnovers and their offense is average at best.

You guys have an above average defense (perhaps a suspect secondary, although they played extremely well) and all the offensive weapons an OC could want and were held to 10 points. The Jets had over ONE HUNDRED YARDS in penalties and along with forcing 3 turnovers, lost by only one point. The Ravens escaped NY with a win. That's my opinion and I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's how I see it.

[Ngata Chance]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284748531' post='479471']
The Jets forced 3 turnovers and their offense is average at best.

You guys have an above average defense (perhaps a suspect secondary, although they played extremely well) and all the offensive weapons an OC could want and were held to 10 points. The Jets had over ONE HUNDRED YARDS in penalties and along with forcing 3 turnovers, lost by only one point. The Ravens escaped NY with a win. That's my opinion and I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's how I see it.
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That is all true. But in being held to only 10 points, is that a slight against a revamped offense, still learning to work together? Or is it a testament to the Jets defence, who was ranked what last year?

At the end of the day, the Ravens did win. There will be no asterisk in the win column saying "Could have lost by a field goal" or "ONLY won by one point".

[gilgamesh]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1284748531' post='479471']
The Jets forced 3 turnovers and their offense is average at best.

You guys have an above average defense (perhaps a suspect secondary, although they played extremely well) and all the offensive weapons an OC could want and were held to 10 points. The Jets had over ONE HUNDRED YARDS in penalties and along with forcing 3 turnovers, lost by only one point. The Ravens escaped NY with a win. That's my opinion and I know it's not what you want to hear, but it's how I see it.
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Yes they forced 3 TO's, but we forced a lot of yards in the air in terms of penalties. Joe still had 248 yards even though they were holding and interfering for a few plays. If they didn't hold, then those were wide open receivers for Joe to hit. He could've gotten 300+ yards on what people were calling the best secondary in the league. Those are the same people who are thinking the Jets lost it more than we won it. A bad route, holding on to the ball too long accounted for two of the turnovers. Those two plays were more flukey than an entire night of penalties, don't you think? I guess what I'm trying to say is that you make it sound like you are giving their penalties a free pass. The way I see it was those penalties were forced by us as much as the TO's were forced by them. Also, Braylon could've gotten a penalty for grabbing a teammate's jersey and using it as leverage, also against the rules. Oh well, I rather win 10-9 than lose 10-9 so it's all moot. By now, I'm used to those kind of games, lol.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ngata Chance' timestamp='1284749912' post='479497']
That is all true. But in being held to only 10 points, is that a slight against a revamped offense, still learning to work together? Or is it a testament to the Jets defence, who was ranked what last year?

[b]At the end of the day, the Ravens did win. There will be no asterisk in the win column saying "Could have lost by a field goal" or "ONLY won by one point".[/b]
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Wouldn't dream of saying as such. If you go back, I was questioning the mocking of the Jets overall by Ravens fans because I don't think the ground is there to stand on.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='gilgamesh' timestamp='1284749981' post='479498']
Yes they forced 3 TO's, but we forced a lot of yards in the air in terms of penalties. Joe still had 248 yards even though they were holding and interfering for a few plays. If they didn't hold, then those were wide open receivers for Joe to hit. He could've gotten 300+ yards on what people were calling the best secondary in the league. Those are the same people who are thinking the Jets lost it more than we won it. A bad route, holding on to the ball too long accounted for two of the turnovers. Those two plays were more flukey than an entire night of penalties, don't you think? I guess what I'm trying to say is that you make it sound like you are giving their penalties a free pass. The way I see it was those penalties were forced by us as much as the TO's were forced by them. Also, Braylon could've gotten a penalty for grabbing a teammate's jersey and using it as leverage, also against the rules. Oh well, I rather win 10-9 than lose 10-9 so it's all moot. By now, I'm used to those kind of games, lol.
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You're speculating and making excuses [u]only[/u] for the Ravens performance. Just because a guy was held doesn't mean those would have been completions. For all you know, and judging by the play made by Cromartie, it's [u]just as[/u] likely that those throws are incomplete or picked off. Save maybe one or two (like the PI on Mason). The Jets made mistakes too.

[thewarden86]

BTW - I appreciate you guys debating me rather than bashing me.

*cheers*