Question About Haloti

[MsMarvel73]

With Haloti's sack on Sancheese replaying over and over in my head on the way back to PA (heaven knows, 450 miles in the car gives one ample time to think about stuff)...

I was thinking...Haloti said he was working on his pass rushing over the off-season. My question is, having never been a DLman in my life, what are the differences in run defense and pass rushing? Different stance and body alignment? Different hand techniques? Different footwork? A combo of all three?

Whatever he did certainly worked, as I expected to see a perfect, six-inch deep Sanchez imprint in the turf after that sack..

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1284566686' post='477753']
With Haloti's sack on Sancheese replaying over and over in my head on the way back to PA (heaven knows, 450 miles in the car gives one ample time to think about stuff)...

I was thinking...Haloti said he was working on his pass rushing over the off-season. My question is, having never been a DLman in my life, what are the differences in run defense and pass rushing? Different stance and body alignment? Different hand techniques? Different footwork? [b]A combo of all three?[/b]

Whatever he did certainly worked, as I expected to see a perfect, six-inch deep Sanchez imprint in the turf after that sack..
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It's a little bit of everything like you said. There are different techniques for shedding blockers and getting into the backfield (the rip and swim moves).

Rush defense is more about stuffing the gaps in the line and forcing the RB into the LBs.

It looked like Ngata's guy just fell down on that play haha good to see him finally channeling his inner Suggs.

[FlaccoFlicker]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' timestamp='1284567683' post='477760']
It's a little bit of everything like you said. There are different techniques for shedding blockers and getting into the backfield (the rip and swim moves).

Rush defense is more about stuffing the gaps in the line and forcing the RB into the LBs.

It looked like Ngata's guy just fell down on that play haha good to see him finally channeling his inner Suggs.
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I don't know about fall down,think Ngata kinda threw him aside

[PuRock]

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I don't know about fall down,think Ngata kinda threw him aside
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I don't know about threw him aside, think Ngata just ran over him!

[Ravensfan23]

VS Run as a DL your number one goal is to re-create the LOS. It more about you leverage and strength. The next thing as a run defender is to keep your LBs clean to allow them to make the play. So it's more of a read and react mentality vs the run for a DL.

VS Pass as a DL your goal is to disengage from the blocker as quick as possible. It's more about quickness and athletic ability. For a DT like Ngata, the bullrush and inside rip, and even swim move could be very successful for him.

IMO Ngata could be a 8-10 sack guy from the inside if given the opportunites. It hard to rush the passer from the DL position, that's why we see so much blitzing around the NFL imo.

Beleive it or not, i think getting a guy like Cody will back will really help Ngata in the pass rush area on 1st and 2nd downs because, as we saw in the Jets game, not many Gaurds can handle Ngata 1 on 1.

[FlaccoFlicker]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1284568120' post='477774']
VS Run as a DL your number one goal is to re-create the LOS. It more about you leverage and strength. The next thing as a run defender is to keep your LBs clean to allow them to make the play. So it's more of a read and react mentality vs the run for a DL.

VS Pass as a DL your goal is to disengage from the blocker as quick as possible. It's more about quickness and athletic ability. For a DT like Ngata, the bullrush and inside rip, and even swim move could be very successful for him.

IMO Ngata could be a 8-10 sack guy from the inside if given the opportunites. It hard to rush the passer from the DL position, that's why we see so much blitzing around the NFL imo.

Beleive it or not, i think getting a guy like Cody will back will really help Ngata in the pass rush area on 1st and 2nd downs because, as we saw in the Jets game, not many Gaurds can handle Ngata 1 on 1.
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great answer right there

and yeah imagine O-line having to handle Cody,and Ngata.....still love the one armed tackle Cody had against Washington

[BloodRaven]

It depends on gap assignments, our interior linemen are usually responsible for two gaps, which means they sit and read as a priority as opposed to splitting gaps and possibly leaving holes and cutback lanes. Teams like the Bears and Bucs do single gap control, with quicker pass rushing interior linemen.

[Shammy]

yea cant wait to see these two guys line up together

[SnOoPy]

Jets should of double team Ngata...to bad lol!
Good job Kelly Gregg on that double team!

[XxSizzleXx]

It was a great move by Ngata at the line, just completely manhandled that guard. It really was a great play because if you watch it again Sanchez tries to dump it off to LT but Suggs absolutely blows him up behind the line, letting Ngata get the sack. Great play.

[JEEPercreepermd]

Haloti definitely has the athletic ability to get in the backfield. That sack was just perfect execution by the entire defense.

[grape drank]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1284568042' post='477768']
I don't know about threw him aside, think Ngata just ran over him!
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Naw Haloti just threw a smartie on the ground, and slauser or w.e forgot all about football. very clever on Haloti's part

[MsMarvel73]

So did Haloti put a move on that poor embarrassed lineman or was it just a big ol rugby shrug to push him out of the way?

And thanks guys...I appreciate the lil discussion...I understand much better now.

Too bad the old Deacon Jones head slap is verboten now. Just imagine the damage Haloti could do with that

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1284581370' post='478007']
So did Haloti put a move on that poor embarrassed lineman or was it just a big ol rugby shrug to push him out of the way?

And thanks guys...I appreciate the lil discussion...I understand much better now.

Too bad the old Deacon Jones head slap is verboten now. Just imagine the damage Haloti could do with that


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No Ngata really didn't put a move on him, he just attacked his outside shoulder. Once the Olinemen shifted his wieght, Ngata just ran over top of him.

Gregg lining up over the Center and playing across his face attacking the RG really helped Ngata in that situation.

That allowed Ngata to have the LG on an island and give Ngata free range to go left or right. Just a all around good play. From design to execution.

[MsMarvel73]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1284582295' post='478028']
No Ngata really didn't put a move on him, he just attacked his outside shoulder. Once the Olinemen shifted his wieght, Ngata just ran over top of him.

Gregg lining up over the Center and playing across his face attacking the RG really helped Ngata in that situation.

That allowed Ngata to have the LG on an island and give Ngata free range to go left or right. Just a all around good play. From design to execution.
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I'll be watching all this stuff a lot more closely now.

Thanks again.

[XxSizzleXx]

It has appeared that the Dline has been working on their hands. He basically benchpressed him to the side with one arm but he put him on his butt. It was the spot where he hit him that was key because it looked like he smashed him under the arm to the side, which will throw you off balance especially with someone like Ngata.

[XxSizzleXx]

Watch where Ngata lays the boom with his left arm, as soon as the Olinemen overextends he smashes him and completely knocks him off balance.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81a84105/Haloti-Ngata-sacks-Mark-Sanchez

[JohnJohnson]

How scared was he when he realized he was matched up one on one with Ngata? I think that's literally the worst situation a guard starting his first game could be in.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1284587329' post='478110']
Watch where Ngata lays the boom with his left arm, as soon as the Olinemen overextends he smashes him and completely knocks him off balance.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81a84105/Haloti-Ngata-sacks-Mark-Sanchez
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Watching it closely, Ngata just ate up that guard for dinner. Beast!!

[ravensfolife]

Id really like to see kruger, cody, and ngata line up together.

[The Raven]

As a d-lineman, there is a difference in stance, etc... when it comes to run vs pass. When playing the run, the goal is to control the line of scrimmage, and dont give ground, while penetrating the backfield, IF its up your gap.

While pass rushing, you want to get off the ball more and just show relentless pursuit. The run game is more not giving ground, while the passing game is taking ground.

Pass rushing also demands more use of hands. You want to make sure the Olineman cant get inside your pads and keep you locked out. You need to use your hands to move his, and throw away your blocker.

In terms of stance, I would want a more balanced stance against the run. When I want to get the quarterback, I put more of my weight forward on my hand.

Hope this helps a little.

[SnOoPy]

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As a d-lineman, there is a difference in stance, etc... when it comes to run vs pass. When playing the run, the goal is to control the line of scrimmage, and dont give ground, while penetrating the backfield, IF its up your gap.

While pass rushing, you want to get off the ball more and just show relentless pursuit. The run game is more not giving ground, while the passing game is taking ground.

Pass rushing also demands more use of hands. You want to make sure the Olineman cant get inside your pads and keep you locked out. You need to use your hands to move his, and throw away your blocker.

In terms of stance, I would want a more balanced stance against the run. When I want to get the quarterback, I put more of my weight forward on my hand.

Hope this helps a little.
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Is that you Ngata? lol

[SackinU]

Another thing about run defense in a 3-4 is the d-linemen have to eat up 2 blockers each, Ngata, Gregg, and Price usually take up the five true o-linemen, which allows the LB's to plug gaps and blow up the play, fortunately our d-linemen are so big, even under a double team they still can get an arm out to disrupt a runner at or behind the line.

Pass rushing is the same, usually for a 3-4 the d line eats up blockers and allows a LB or a S or a C to sneak in for the sack/pressure. With the play of Ngata, Gregg, Pryce, Redding, Ect... it is a good looking d-line...

Usually in a 3-4 the d line is less noticed by the general public as they only get called out for the odd off side or other penalty and not the awesome eating up of blockers...

[MsMarvel73]

Awesome. Again, more thanks

[Mick0311]

One of the big differences is the personnel you will face. If you are a LT, on passing downs, you are getting their best guy almost all the time.

[BloodRaven]

One thing you'll find with guys like Kris Jenkins and Shaun Rogers is that as well as they penetrate and rush the passer, they don't play the run as well as their respective backups Sione Pouha and Athyba Rubin.

[MsMarvel73]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1284582295' post='478028']
No Ngata really didn't put a move on him, he just attacked his outside shoulder. Once the Olinemen shifted his wieght, Ngata just ran over top of him.

Gregg lining up over the Center and playing across his face attacking the RG really helped Ngata in that situation.

That allowed Ngata to have the LG on an island and give Ngata free range to go left or right. Just a all around good play. From design to execution.
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Now that I found [url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/baltimore-ravens/09000d5d81a84937/Ravens-defense-sack-8-yd-loss"]footage of Haloti's sack[/url], I see what you mean. It happened so fast, but Haloti got Slauson off-balance and knocked him on his keister. Gregg's absorption of the double team is easy to see on the video, too.

Sorry, Slauson...you got schooled.