Sceraios? Trades?

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

FALCON SCENARIO's?

Since D.Hall is still under contract with the falcons and he has stated over and over he wants a trade to be worked out what if...Baltimore traded Rolle for Hall relieving us of samari's cap hit this year and replacing that with the back end of hall's rookie contract?

Or...What if the Ravens Traded Rolle, Cody, jarret johnson and boller for atlanta's 3rd pick and d.hall

with the 3rd and 8th pick selecting jake long and vernon gholston?

[MKdave]

FALCON SCENARIO's?

Or...What if the Ravens Traded Rolle, Cody, jarret johnson and boller for atlanta's 3rd pick and d.hall

with the 3rd and 8th pick selecting jake long and vernon gholston?

I hated that Idea until the last line.

that would be too cool.

[CARavensFan]

While I think that would be cool I doubt the Falcons would do it. Why would they take a bunch of older players to give up the chance to get their potential franchise QB in Matt Ryan with the 3rd pick? Plus the amount of money they'd take on would make it cost more than siging the 3rd overall pick.

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

FALCON SCENARIO's?

Since D.Hall is still under contract with the falcons and he has stated over and over he wants a trade to be worked out what if...Baltimore traded Rolle for Hall relieving us of samari's cap hit this year and replacing that with the back end of hall's rookie contract?

Or...What if the Ravens Traded Rolle, Cody, jarret johnson and boller for atlanta's 3rd pick and d.hall

with the 3rd and 8th pick selecting jake long and vernon gholston?

I hated that Idea until the last line.

that would be too cool.

I mean something along those lines maybe the 3rd pick is more valuable than those names i mentioned b4 maybe something more along the lines of

Trading Rolle, Edwards who is gonna be a big timer soon, Terry? or Chris Chester? and 2Nd round pick for Hall and Atlantas 3rd overall pick.

I mean now that they have picked up Turner they would probably turn to QB in the draft. Also needing to address o-line to give turner bodies to run behind. With Ryan, Brohm, Woodson, Flacoo, Henne all big names that could potentially be there in atlants 34th overall selection and 39th(ravens) it would essentially be trading an early first rounder for a late 1st rounder and 2-3 solid starters. Not to mention ridding them of Hall

And if Qb is still an issue by the draft with names like trent green, culpepper, Mark Brunell and Marques Tuiasosopo. I dont see another pressing player the falcons would want to take my trade names for. Also the possibility quinn is on the trading block next year

[austrianravensfan]

they will never give us the 3rd pick maybe if we trade pryce or kelly too so it really make sense to draft long and gholston ( if long is still available)

[PuppyPuncher]

That's a really stupid trade. Dur Dur Dur Samari Rolle is worth the 3rd Overall pick.

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

While I think that would be cool I doubt the Falcons would do it. Why would they take a bunch of older players to give up the chance to get their potential franchise QB in Matt Ryan with the 3rd pick? Plus the amount of money they'd take on would make it cost more than siging the 3rd overall pick.

The falcons have somewhere along the lines of 25- to 35 mill in cap space. And they are in rebuilding mode. There o-line is horrible, their CB position is up in the air, their qb situation is worse than ours, The only other picks beside Mcfadden that would be hard to pass on is ryan? long?, ellis? And is landing 1 big name rookie that hasnt proven himself as a pro yet, more important to the team than 3 solid starters who would be nothing but a current upgrade and an additional early 2nd round pick?

Why only address one position when your team could take care of 3-5 within rd-1/2 of the draft?

just a scenario..tryin to get different views

[exiledraven]

This is about the most realistic thing I've seen as far as draft day trades.

Ravens trade their 1st rounder in 2008 for Eagles #19, Lito Sheppard, Eagles 3rd or 4th.

I could see this being a decent trade giving the Ravens a proven corner, if they can pay him and still allows a shot at players like DRC, Sweed, outside shot at Derrick Harvey, Chris Williams, Malcolm Kelly.

I'm not sure if i am a fan, but if clady is there, then this seems like something that *might* work.

Personally, I'm just not sure if I like it. I'd rather keep Clady, but it all depends on Sheppard's costs and why Philly seems to want to deal him.

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

This is about the most realistic thing I've seen as far as draft day trades.

Ravens trade their 1st rounder in 2008 for Eagles #19, Lito Sheppard, Eagles 3rd or 4th.

I could see this being a decent trade giving the Ravens a proven corner, if they can pay him and still allows a shot at players like DRC, Sweed, outside shot at Derrick Harvey, Chris Williams, Malcolm Kelly.

I'm not sure if i am a fan, but if clady is there, then this seems like something that *might* work.

Personally, I'm just not sure if I like it. I'd rather keep Clady, but it all depends on Sheppard's costs and why Philly seems to want to deal him.

let me give you another point of view on this trade..Gholston for lito sheppard? thats what your trade is risking.

who would you have chose, dwight freeney or al harris? thats essentially the same kinda thing between gholston and shepard. eagles only want a 2nd rounder and of all the teams the ravens have the highest 2nd rd pick that could possibly be willing to trade for him. not to mention ravens are in the AFC and of the top 14 picks in the 2nd round 7 of them are nfc teams. why would they want to trade a good corner with in the conference for a lower pick selection?

[exiledraven]

Essentially, the trade is #8 in exchange for #19, sheppard and a 3rd or 4th.

So really, then you'd be trading 'gholston for sheppard and #19 which would likely be one of the players I listed'...but I don't advocate this trade at all if Gholston is there at #8. Well, change that, I would if the trade ends up being Gholston for Sheppard and D. Harvey, but that's about the only way I like it. Even then I might still prefer Gholston.

This essentially works out to trading something along the lines of a mid to low second for sheppard based on draft value of the exchanged 1st and philly's 3rd or 4th.

Just possible, I never said I thought the Ravens should do it *now*

This is a good option if Clady is there and a team, like the Eagles, would want to make a move. This would obviously be a draft day trade based on who is available at #8 with players like Ellis, Gholston, etc gone along with, potentially, one of the two top corners.

Not even sure if I like the idea, but it actually seemed "reasonable" and not totally madden-esque.

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

Essentially, the trade is #8 in exchange for #19, sheppard and a 3rd or 4th.

No this trade is abosolutely reasonable for the eagles and eagles only

again the 19 pick is gonna be in the range of wr, cb or OG. And none of those are really of concern that cant be addressed in the 2nd. Maybe calais camble could still be around or Jeff otah. Based on what the ravens need there is really nobody below pick 15 that is worth trading out of the 8 pick slot and receiving shepard for. All the players below 18 has a counter part with equal talent. Once you get out of the top 15 its really cutting hair and picking straws for the next 50 picks. Many players from the second and third rounds can easily go after the 1st 18, its really all about what a teams looking for. 3rd or 4th eagle picks would be adding an additional Safety, linebacker or linemen.

basically it boils down to these hypothetical options

1. draft gholston or the best player available(which wont be a CB) and draft a CB in the 2nd: DRC, King, Flowers..ect

2. Draft gholston/best player available and trade 2nd for shepard

3. trade 1st pick to eagles for shepard and 19th pick then draft ??WR? desean jackson? DE? and with the 2nd take??who knows? these picks would just be a toss up at this point or in another words a gamble hoping certain players of interest will still be available by the 19th pick

so the only thing difference with trading the 1st pick instead of the 2nd pick for shepard is we get an additional look at a maybe player? that could possibly be there 19 picks later at 38(ravens 2nd)

so the real questions are..is the number 8 spot more valuable than 19+32spot

Gholston shepard or shepard, 19+32?

Is Shepard better option than DRC, King Terrel thomas, FLowers, ect..?

[PuppyPuncher]

Essentially, the trade is #8 in exchange for #19, sheppard and a 3rd or 4th.

So really, then you'd be trading 'gholston for sheppard and #19 which would likely be one of the players I listed'...but I don't advocate this trade at all if Gholston is there at #8. Well, change that, I would if the trade ends up being Gholston for Sheppard and D. Harvey, but that's about the only way I like it. Even then I might still prefer Gholston.

This essentially works out to trading something along the lines of a mid to low second for sheppard based on draft value of the exchanged 1st and philly's 3rd or 4th.

Just possible, I never said I thought the Ravens should do it *now*

This is a good option if Clady is there and a team, like the Eagles, would want to make a move. This would obviously be a draft day trade based on who is available at #8 with players like Ellis, Gholston, etc gone along with, potentially, one of the two top corners.

Not even sure if I like the idea, but it actually seemed "reasonable" and not totally madden-esque.

Wow, that's actually a great idea that I never really considered for some reason. I would love to get Sheppard and then a guy like Derrick Harvey or Quentin Groves. Then there's always an offensive linemen like Jeff Otah. But who exactly are the Eagles trying to get at pick 8?

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

Wow, that's actually a great idea that I never really considered for some reason. I would love to get Sheppard and then a guy like Derrick Harvey or Quentin Groves. Then there's always an offensive linemen like Jeff Otah. But who exactly are the Eagles trying to get at pick 8?

you guys have to keep in mind that the eagles are really only asking for a 3rd for this guy. He doesnt want to be there bcuz they dont want to give him the deal and with samuels they really dont need shearp anymore thats the whole reason they brought him in.

A 2nd will likely get thhis guy for anyteam and with the ravens have the 8th pick in the second we could make that happen

now the 1st? crazy talk

if we dont draft mckelvin at 8 what makes you think were gonna trade it away for shepard

the thing about the top ten prospects is they are all gonna be probowlers. Almost a agiven all of these guys will be able to contribute in 08. Gholston is the only DE/OLB that would start on our Defense. Anyone else would simply take back seat to barnes prescott burgess, and jarret johnson.

Ravens are gonna take an immediate impact player that can come in as a rookie and start. Thats what the top are usually drafted for..except for qb. All of those players groves..otah talib, king will be available in the second. the top 10 pick is the money picks. would you draft ray lewis at 8 if you needed an impact mlb to start or trade down and draft a mlb like zach thomas? or lance briggs. both players would work and fill that role but its not the same as a ray lewis. Sure calis camble groves, smith ect ect could come in play DE/olb but it wont be the same as a gholston or sedrick elis

[exiledraven]

eh, it all depends.

You seem very set on Gholston, and, really, the reason I am debating the trade is in the event Gholston is gone. Then you're likely stuck with Clady and some corners. At that point it just depends on how OZ thinks the draft shakes out and how good they think Sheppard is. I really have no idea.

Either way, the idea of getting Harvey and Sheppard in exchange for #8 is very appealing to me personally. If Harvey got more chances to rush for the Gators, his numbers would be even more impressive. Plus, his old position coach is now the LB coach.

Just a thought - and yes, I personally wouldn't touch this trade with a 10 foot pole if Gholston were available at 8. This is one of those "what if golden lining" cases.

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

eh, it all depends.

You seem very set on Gholston, and, really, the reason I am debating the trade is in the event Gholston is gone. Then you're likely stuck with Clady and some corners. At that point it just depends on how OZ thinks the draft shakes out and how good they think Sheppard is. I really have no idea.

Either way, the idea of getting Harvey and Sheppard in exchange for #8 is very appealing to me personally. If Harvey got more chances to rush for the Gators, his numbers would be even more impressive. Plus, his old position coach is now the LB coach.

Just a thought - and yes, I personally wouldn't touch this trade with a 10 foot pole if Gholston were available at 8. This is one of those "what if golden lining" cases.

good view tho i like looking at both sides of things. it could be one of those deals that pans out big. specially if we could get a calias camble from miami at 19 who knows it depends on whose availble at 8

[tpain]

you guys have to keep in mind that the eagles are really only asking for a 3rd for this guy.

Maybe we trade one of our comp picks and keep the other 3rd if we get two 3rd rounders for Adalius

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

Maybe we trade one of our comp picks and keep the other 3rd if we get two 3rd rounders for Adalius

that would be AWSOME and if 1 wasnt enough if we were to get 2 3rd comp picks how bout trade em both

[CARavensFan]

Maybe we trade one of our comp picks and keep the other 3rd if we get two 3rd rounders for Adalius

Unfortunately we are not allowed to trade comp picks, they are locked to the team they are given to.

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

Unfortunately we are not allowed to trade comp picks, they are locked to the team they are given to.

draft the players for philly and then send them over for shepard.

[Ravens_Pwn12]

rolle WAY better than Hall

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

rolle WAY better than Hall

way older 2

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

rolle WAY better than Hall

Hall way younger than rolle

[neepo13]

FALCON SCENARIO's?

Since D.Hall is still under contract with the falcons and he has stated over and over he wants a trade to be worked out what if...Baltimore traded Rolle for Hall relieving us of samari's cap hit this year and replacing that with the back end of hall's rookie contract?

Or...What if the Ravens Traded Rolle, Cody, jarret johnson and boller for atlanta's 3rd pick and d.hall

with the 3rd and 8th pick selecting jake long and vernon gholston?

Not even the Falcons are dumb enough to take that trade. First of all Rolle, Cody, Johnson, and Boller packaged together are not worth the number 3 overall pick. Let alone the number 3 overall pick AND Hall. Lets be realistic about this, any trade involving Deangelo Hall is going to involve ATLEAST our second round pick and getting the number 3 overall pick in the deal is highly unlikely. Especially, if we dont offer up the number 8 pick and we are not going to get it and Hall. Realistically, what does Atlanta gain from sending us Hall and their 3rd pick for a bunch of has beens and lost potential players? NOTHING.

[stan]

Not even the Falcons are dumb enough to take that trade. First of all Rolle, Cody, Johnson, and Boller packaged together are not worth the number 3 overall pick. Let alone the number 3 overall pick AND Hall. Lets be realistic about this, any trade involving Deangelo Hall is going to involve ATLEAST our second round pick and getting the number 3 overall pick in the deal is highly unlikely. Especially, if we dont offer up the number 8 pick and we are not going to get it and Hall. Realistically, what does Atlanta gain from sending us Hall and their 3rd pick for a bunch of has beens and lost potential players? NOTHING.

I agree. There has to be a suitable partner for the trade. There has been some specultion that Miami will not be able to find a partner for their 1st pick if they try to move down & gain more picks.

I would NEVER trade our pick if Gholston is available to us. At the same time I'll be woundering "Why?" if Gholston is available @ 8. I think we should try to move up for him. An impact player is rare.

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

Not even the Falcons are dumb enough to take that trade. First of all Rolle, Cody, Johnson, and Boller packaged together are not worth the number 3 overall pick. Let alone the number 3 overall pick AND Hall. Lets be realistic about this, any trade involving Deangelo Hall is going to involve ATLEAST our second round pick and getting the number 3 overall pick in the deal is highly unlikely. Especially, if we dont offer up the number 8 pick and we are not going to get it and Hall. Realistically, what does Atlanta gain from sending us Hall and their 3rd pick for a bunch of has beens and lost potential players? NOTHING.

its not who the players are its the concept of the idea. it might take a handful of good talent to make it happen but if somehow a trade could be worked out for hall and the 3rd overall pick whatever that value maybe then image how valuable that would be for us

an offer that the falcons jus couldnt turn down for hall and 3rdpick isnt impossible its only a matter of what would it take.

and never mind the falcons 3rd pick with that same concept in mind what about a miami trade or jets trade. Both organization are looking for players to rebuild with. or what about the 4th 5th pick

really if somehow we could get an OT whether long or clady, and Gholston why not try for it. specially sense the free agency is weaker and the draft looks to be loaded with franchise type playmakers

[stan]

its not who the players are its the concept of the idea. it might take a handful of good talent to make it happen but if somehow a trade could be worked out for hall and the 3rd overall pick whatever that value maybe then image how valuable that would be for us

an offer that the falcons jus couldnt turn down for hall and 3rdpick isnt impossible its only a matter of what would it take.

and never mind the falcons 3rd pick with that same concept in mind what about a miami trade or jets trade. Both organization are looking for players to rebuild with. or what about the 4th 5th pick

really if somehow we could get an OT whether long or clady, and Gholston why not try for it. specially sense the free agency is weaker and the draft looks to be loaded with franchise type playmakers

WOW! I see now. We could swing a trade that possibly land Gholston AND Clady. I like Clady the most for us @ OT. He's considered the best ...prospect... @ OT because of his pass blocking potential. We should trade future draft picks to get some guys earlier. Bobby Beathard used to do that. Beathard once traded 3 furutre first round draft choices one time for a third rounder. He got Russ Grimm. Not bad uh? He liked to get developmental people early and within a year they would be as good as any first rounder in the draft and much cheaper. this would not be the same thing but the concept.

[neepo13]

its not who the players are its the concept of the idea. it might take a handful of good talent to make it happen but if somehow a trade could be worked out for hall and the 3rd overall pick whatever that value maybe then image how valuable that would be for us

an offer that the falcons jus couldnt turn down for hall and 3rdpick isnt impossible its only a matter of what would it take.

and never mind the falcons 3rd pick with that same concept in mind what about a miami trade or jets trade. Both organization are looking for players to rebuild with. or what about the 4th 5th pick

really if somehow we could get an OT whether long or clady, and Gholston why not try for it. specially sense the free agency is weaker and the draft looks to be loaded with franchise type playmakers

I dont think the scenario is realistic at all. Sure that would be great for us but none of those teams stand to gain anything significant by making such a deal. I dont think you can pass on any impact player to pick up a bunch of has beens or could have been type players. At least that wouldnt sit well with their fan base.

[stan]

I dont think the scenario is realistic at all. Sure that would be great for us but none of those teams stand to gain anything significant by making such a deal. I dont think you can pass on any impact player to pick up a bunch of has beens or could have been type players. At least that wouldnt sit well with their fan base.

I bet Parcells would take our 1st & 4th this year to move down.

[PuppyPuncher]

I bet Parcells would take our 1st & 4th this year to move down.

I'll take that bet.

[neepo13]

I bet Parcells would take our 1st & 4th this year to move down.

He probably would but the scenario presented is that we send a bunch a crappy players to Atlanta for the 3rd pick in the draft and DeAngelo Hall. Or we send a bunch of crappy players else where for their first round pick. And what I am saying is its not going to happen. Any trade to move up in the draft is going to involve our first round pick this year or next year. And any trade for Hall is going to involve atleast a 2nd round pick.