Jared Gaither

[RavensAllTheWay]

If Gaither were in game shape, not necessarily healthy, but fit to play, I'd put him in at LT in a second. Think about it.

Gaither at LT and Oher at RT > Oher at LT and Cousins/Moll/Yanda at RT.

A healthy Gaither is the clear cut best option at LT for this team, but even when not at %100, he still has more experience at the position and will take less time to develop at the position than Oher. If you really wanna know why our running game has been sub par lately, look at the Jets D as well as the lack of Gaither.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1284601711' post='478346']
Question? What's the difference in this guy not being able to play as opposed to a guy like Ed Reed or Webb not being able to play?

The guy was clearly hurt in TC even though most people wanted to treat him like he was faking.

Now the guy is rehabing just like Reed to get back and people are talking about being tried of him and wanting to trade him. I don't get it.

Can someone with better knowlegde of why Gaither is public enemy #1 please explain all the hate towards this guy?
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I never said that I "hated" Gaither, or that he was "public enemy #1", so read what I say before making false accusations. The reason why there's so much animosity towards Gaither is because of his agent. Is it out of the ordinary to think that he might be doing this as a way of holding out? He's injured, we know that because he was diagnosed with a thoracic disc injury in his back, but maybe it's not as severe that he has to skip the preseason and so far, the first two games of the season. Perhaps he doesn't want to hurt his chances at getting a FA offer next offseason that would make him a wealthy man, which in turn, shows a view of greediness that at least for me, is making me upset. You're wrong with your Webb/Reed point. Ed is on IR, while Webb is coming off of a torn ACL, something that Gaither isn't even close to having. Totally different situations. Remember when he had a "foot" injury early in the offseason, when there were trade rumors surfacing?

I'd also be careful to wish for someone with better [i]knowledge[/i] of the situation, when you misspell the word. We're just fan's. We don't know what's going on with Gaither, but so far, he's not out on the field. I can speculate just as much as you can.

[quote name='kagejb' timestamp='1284605671' post='478388']
Wow. You pretty much single-handedly shut up Gaither bashers. Nice job man. I'll admit, I was a bit curious about his injury, but seeing your points, how could I not change my opinion?
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Don't talk just yet rookie.

[c9s]

I just wish jared gaither liked to play football

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1284607768' post='478422']
I never said that I "hated" Gaither, or that he was "public enemy #1", so read what I say before making false accusations. The reason why there's so much animosity towards Gaither is because of his agent. Is it out of the ordinary to think that he might be doing this as a way of holding out? He's injured, we know that because he was diagnosed with a thoracic disc injury in his back, but maybe it's not as severe that he has to skip the preseason and so far, the first two games of the season. Perhaps he doesn't want to hurt his chances at getting a FA offer next offseason that would make him a wealthy man, which in turn, shows a view of greediness that at least for me, is making me upset. You're wrong with your Webb/Reed point. Ed is on IR, while Webb is coming off of a torn ACL, something that Gaither isn't even close to having. Totally different situations. Remember when he had a "foot" injury early in the offseason, when there were trade rumors surfacing?

I'd also be careful to wish for someone with better [i]knowledge[/i] of the situation, when you misspell the word. We're just fan's. We don't know what's going on with Gaither, but so far, he's not out on the field. I can speculate just as much as you can.



Don't talk just yet rookie.
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take it easy, nobody is attacking you personally, i just asked a question. I never said you Hated him, just wondering why anyone would want to trade him or cut him lose.

As far as me spelling words wrong, well thank god i don't have to spell to feed my family.

Now to the part of your post that has me shaking my head. Where does the thought process of him holding out with a injury that is just not that serious because he wants to save himself for FA next season, come from? It's things like that i just can't understand.

But again, like you said you nor I know next to nothing about what's going on with Gaither beside what is being reported. So why do you assume he is taking his time to get back on the field just to save himself? By that logic we can say the same about Ed Reed.

I just can't see how you go from, being injured and not being able to help your team, to not being as hurt as you say, just because you wanna save yourself to be a FA in 2011.

It just seems like the ill feelings towards Gaither just gets stranger, by the weeks.

[berad]

[quote name='c9s' timestamp='1284608193' post='478427']
I just wish jared gaither liked to play football
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Yeah, he must really hate it, to battle through injuries over multiple years and fill the shoes of a first-ballot hall-of-famer with his hard work. When did the slander of Jared Gaither become so popular?

[RivenHale]

Where DID people get this idea that Gaither's a diva? Didn't he fire the agent that tried to make him hold out? I think I read that somewhere, although I could be wrong. Gaither has played like a Raven for his whole career, and he did have some pretty big shoes to fill.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1284608742' post='478436']
Yeah, he must really hate it, to battle through injuries over multiple years and fill the shoes of a first-ballot hall-of-famer with his hard work. When did the slander of Jared Gaither become so popular?
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You know what's crazy about the whole thing? Gaither went out in 2008 and played the last 5-7 games of the season with a bum shoulder, not including the playoffs. Everybody praises Mason for doing it that year, but i can remember Gaither using only one arm to block 300+ pound DL because he couldn't lift his other arm. You didn't hear anything about his lack of love for the game or dedication.

Last season, the guy almost had his career ended in the Pats game, he fought his way to get back on the feild and continue to help this team, nobody questioned his heart, or love for the game then.

Now off all a sudden because the man asked to stay a Baltimore Raven long term, because he has some injury problems, in the offseason and camp, he's this Haynesworth type of guy who doesn't love to play football.

He fakes injuries to better his chances of getting traded, or he pretends to be injured worse then he really is because he wants to save himself for FA. He doesn't want to be a RT so he trys to strong arm the Ravens by losing 29 pounds and force them to keep him on the left side. Yet he has gained about 19 of those pounds back since rehabbing.

It almost makes you laugh about some of the things you hear people say about Gaither.

[berad]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1284609723' post='478456']
You know what's crazy about the whole thing? Gaither went out in 2008 and played the last 5-7 games of the season with a bum shoulder, not including the playoffs. Everybody praises Mason for doing it that year, but i can remember Gaither using only one arm to block 300+ pound DL because he couldn't lift his other arm. You didn't hear anything about his lack of love for the game or dedication.

Last season, the guy almost had his career ended in the Pats game, he fought his way to get back on the feild and continue to help this team, nobody questioned his heart, or love for the game then.

Now off all a sudden because the man asked to stay a Baltimore Raven long term, because he has some injury problems, in the offseason and camp, he's this Haynesworth type of guy who doesn't love to play football.

He fakes injuries to better his chances of getting traded, or he pretends to be injured worse then he really is because he wants to save himself for FA. He doesn't want to be a RT so he trys to strong arm the Ravens by losing 29 pounds and force them to keep him on the left side. Yet he has gained about 19 of those pounds back since rehabbing.

It almost makes you laugh about some of the things you hear people say about Gaither.
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Said these exact same things in the other, numerous Gaither-complaining threads. It's not news to me and, apparently, not news to you, either. Keep fighting the good fight, brother. I'll support Gaither as long as he's wearing purple and black.

[PuRock]

In all honesty, I have no idea what is going on with Gaither. I just want him to get healthy and back on the line. We are 100x better with him as an anchor.

I know Gaither wants to get back on the field as well too. I can't see him being a diva or faking an injury because this is a contract year for him. The way he is going to get paid is if he gets out on the field and makes some plays.

Please don't leave us with Cousins, Gaither!

[Jabara]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1284608742' post='478436']
Yeah, he must really hate it, to battle through injuries over multiple years and fill the shoes of a first-ballot hall-of-famer with his hard work. When did the slander of Jared Gaither become so popular?
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I'm pretty sure a lot of it happened when Oher was switched to LT, which coincided with his being injured, which also was when the media kicked up stories about him being traded, he never caught a break, and while the rumors soared, the fans never got the definitive truth.

Bottomline is he missed training camp, will he even be in football shape when he comes back, and will he be motivated to play?

[jonnyloback76]

I don't have anything against Gaither, but I'm not going to get attached to the idea of him being a Raven too much. There were the above mentioned reasons and the 1st round tender that was slapped on him last March, is why. I kinda understood because if a team can get a 1st round pick for a former 5th or 6th round pick (whatever it was), why wouldn't they. They'll probably stick him back in and hope to get some sort of trade worked out at some point, but I don't see him getting resigned at all especially if he is going to ask for a lot.

The situation I don't get is McClain. I will NEVER, EVER, understand that tender that was put on him or the short contract. He does his job exceptionally well and as far as I know, isn't a distraction in any way at all.

[Jabara]

[quote name='jonnyloback76' timestamp='1284623127' post='478521']
I don't have anything against Gaither, but I'm not going to get attached to the idea of him being a Raven too much. There were the above mentioned reasons and the 1st round tender that was slapped on him last March, is why. I kinda understood because if a team can get a 1st round pick for a former 5th or 6th round pick (whatever it was), why wouldn't they. They'll probably stick him back in and hope to get some sort of trade worked out at some point, but I don't see him getting resigned at all especially if he is going to ask for a lot.

The situation I don't get is McClain. I will NEVER, EVER, understand that tender that was put on him or the short contract. He does his job exceptionally well and as far as I know, isn't a distraction in any way at all.
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Don't get me wrong, I love McClain, but in the current climate of the NFL the RB position has become, not phased out, but used a lot less than it once was.
It was crazy to me how late they signed his tender, if I remember correctly, he was one of the last to be signed.
I'd love to see McClain get the ball more, I love a good powerful fullback beating down an O line.

[jonnyloback76]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1284624021' post='478526']
Don't get me wrong, I love McClain, but in the current climate of the NFL the RB position has become, not phased out, but used a lot less than it once was.
It was crazy to me how late they signed his tender, if I remember correctly, he was one of the last to be signed.
I'd love to see McClain get the ball more, I love a good powerful fullback beating down an O line.
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Don't forget about the little bunny hop he does in the endzone. If that doesn't warrant a long term contact, I don't know what does.

He's a bowling ball for a FB. Having him out there with Rice, they can both wrack up some serious yardage. And I couldn't agree more that he should get more carries.

[Jabara]

[quote name='jonnyloback76' timestamp='1284624715' post='478528']
Don't forget about the little bunny hop he does in the endzone. If that doesn't warrant a long term contact, I don't know what does.

He's a bowling ball for a fullback. Having him out there with Rice, they can both wrack up some serious yardage. And I couldn't agree more that he should get more carries.
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It might sound a bit silly, and I recently signed up to follow the Ravens, but McClain is hilarious on Twitter.

[jonnyloback76]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1284624946' post='478529']
It might sound a bit silly, and I recently signed up to follow the Ravens, but McClain is hilarious on Twitter.
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Neh. I wanna maybe to get into that stuff more - Twitter, Facebook and all that stuff. I never really understood the appeal of it much; but there are just SO MANY PEOPLE using that stuff now adays.

The way I was raised, there was a couple dudes I grew up with sitting across from me drinking beers LOL. But EVERYONE it seems these days is tweetin.

My first computer was a Commodore 64. It had all the trimmins. Disc drive for those MONSTER 6×6 floppy discs that if they got even the slightest bend had to me removed with pliers, AND, the black and "off green" screen - none of that "black and white" old age screen crap for me. Now there's "Android" phones. An android to me was Johnny5 in Short Circuit or those little flying spaceships from Batteries Not Included.

[BloodRaven]

He's a vital part of the offense, it's just not the same with Yanda, Moll, Cousins etc.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1284654148' post='478696']
He's a vital part of the offense, it's just not the same with Yanda, Moll, Cousins etc.
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He might very well be our best Oline, definitely one of the best. Don't get me wrong, we have some really good young guys up front with Grubbs, Yanda, and Oher. However you are talking about a guy in Gaither that in 08' pretty much his first year as a starter, he gave up only 1 sack from that LT position.

That year he had to face some of the best DE/OLBs in the NFL. Names like Harrison, Woodley, Ware, Freeney, Mario Williams, Vanden Bosch, the Egales D, Joey Porter and the NYG pass rush. For him to only be credited with allowing one sack that year is amazing.

I'm not saying Oher isn't or won't be a great option at LT, but we know exactly what we get from Gaither at LT and it's a high level of quality, [b]When he is healthy[/b].

People make such a huge deal about Gaither being switched to RT, however most people don't seem to realize the purpose behind the switch. Gaither didn't get moved to RT because of performance or Oher being a better LT. The Ravens moved Oher to LT because they wanted a healthy presence at LT. Even when Gaither came back to practice for the couple of days he was at camp, he took snaps at both LT and RT, with the majority coming at LT.

So that is why i don't understand the people who say Gaither was or is faking his injury because he doesn't want to play RT. The main reason he is being moved to RT is because he couldn't stay healthy. Joe Flacco is too important to this franchise to have a revolving door at the most important Oline position.

So for Gaither to fake a injury would just be him advocating the decision to move him to RT.

No matter what people opinions of Gaither is, the bottomline is that the Ravens offensive line is much better with him in the lineup.

[VA_Fan]

Our Bob Sanders. Hope he gets well soon.

[TheEko]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1284525059' post='477456']
The ravens cant risk playing cousins ina game againt a team like cincy. It is no time to "see how much hes improved". RT is a vital position and bad play from that position can be the difference from a W and a L. Just look at the cowboys for example just this past sunday. Id rather see harewood in there before cousins, and id definitely rather see yanda
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So you say that RT is a vital position and can make a difference between a Win and a Loss, then you say you'd rather have Harewood out there instead of Cousins. What?! You think the game versus Cincy is a bad time to "see how much Cousins improved" ? Yet you think it's a good time to give a rookie practice squad player the first start of their career?? What?!

[flynismo]

Hate to say it, but i dont see gaither coming back.Between the constant injuries, the contract situation and alledged friction with the coaching staff, this is shaping up to be like what happened to Cmac.I've considered myself to be a big gaither fan during his time here, but it certainly wont be the end of the world if he moves on..especially if we can get a high draft pick for him.

[52xRAYx27]

We picked Gaither up from the supplemental draft. He is an ozzie prodigy. Ozzie found this guy and knew that nobody else had found him... so we waited until supplemental to pick him up. We find out that he's a franchise tackle (wouldn't surprise me if ozzie knew the whole time). The best end to this situation is for Gaither to get a new contract tomorrow that makes him the top paid RT in the NFL, but he's not going to get that right now because he's injured. So Gaither IS fighting to get back from his injury. Our upper management has shown that they aren't trying to cheap out and "stay competitive". They're will to throw out the cash to win the big one. I expect them to do that, unless they have reason to believe Jared's not worth what he's asking for (unrelated to how well he plays, because he is a stud on the field). In that case, we should get a nice trade for him in the next few weeks or this off season after we slap the franchise tag on him. Either way he's got to get healthy first, so there's NO reason to think he's soft or faking an injury. I'd bet a $20+M contract on that...

[PuRock]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1284665218' post='478826']
Hate to say it, but i dont see gaither coming back.Between the constant injuries, the contract situation and alledged friction with the coaching staff, this is shaping up to be like what happened to Cmac.I've considered myself to be a big gaither fan during his time here, but it certainly wont be the end of the world if he moves on..especially if we can get a high draft pick for him.
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When you say not coming back, are you saying this year? Or after this year is done?

I can see if Gaither is healthy the Ravens are going to play the guy this year. He vastly improves our O-Line and will give us solid play for a superbowl push. Long-term I can agree.

But his injuries and question marks are not helping Gaither. If he doesn't get on the field early in this season, his outlooks for a big contract in the offseason shrivel by the game.

[flynismo]

Sorry, I meant after this season. I dont think we'll be moving him before the trade deadline, wouldn't make sense for us unless someone gave us a great offer, which could happen, btw.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1284665218' post='478826']
Hate to say it, but i dont see gaither coming back.Between the constant injuries, the contract situation and alledged friction with the coaching staff, this is shaping up to be like what happened to Cmac.I've considered myself to be a big gaither fan during his time here, but it certainly wont be the end of the world if he moves on..especially if we can get a high draft pick for him.
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At least CMac was dominant for half a decade...Gaither has been [i]good[/i] for what 2 seasons.

[ravenanchors]

Gaither seems to have great potential, minus the injuries. There is always a problem when a player has a bad attitude such as the situation with the Redskins (great player who won't play hard).
It has been reported that Gaither is not happy because he wants a new contract and he feels slighted because he was moved to RT. If he doesn't "Play Like a Raven", he very well could be traded during the offseason. I hope the situation improves and Gaither is a lifelong Raven.