Grading Flacco's Performance

[CNC]

On that 3rd TD to Boldin, He Held the ball til the defender got like 1 inch from him

[JEEPercreepermd]

This should just be called the "Knit Pick Flacco" thread. Because that's exactly what is going on here.

Yesterday against the Browns, I'd give Flacco an A. He spread the ball around to 6 different receivers, he stepped into his throws all day, and he wasn't holding on the ball too long. He had a good day, and in the 4th quarter he brought the Ravens from behind with a game winning TD pass.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='BohBalmerOsbohs' timestamp='1285565701' post='489484']
nowadays it seems your not going to be a popular QB unless you drop back and look to run around first. ie, vick, troy, vince, culpepper etc.
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Yeah, cause the three main QB's in in the league run a lot - Manning, Brady and Brees. How are Troy and Culpepper popular?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ravenanchors' timestamp='1285592278' post='489591']
Once again Flacco's numbers were the same as Brady's.
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This week, you are correct......

[1/28/01]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1285592679' post='489595']
You know I must say that after sleeping on my initial grade I have to go up a letter grade..I think the shock of this game being so close mixed with some ugly series and that first pass...but you can look at this game and say this was one of Joes handful of games that he has actually won us and not just ride the defenses coat tails ...and that's something I wanted to see more of
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You do a lot of changing of the mind after "sleeping on it".

[ravenanchors]

Flacco's timing and accuracy are impressive when he has time to throw.
Having a reliable receiver like Boldin will give Flacco a lot of confidence.
Hopefully Housh will progress to that point within the next couple of games.
This will cut down on the times when he has to hold the ball while he makes up his mind whether to throw or not.
I hate to see Mason being pushed aside, because he has been a reliable receiver and Flacco has trusted him the past two years.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Maryland1' timestamp='1285562997' post='489461']
[font="Verdana"][size="2"][b]Mike Preston's Ravens report card[/b] (8:19 p.m. EDT, September 26, 2010)

[/size][/font][font="Verdana"][size="2"][b]Quarterback: [color="#ff0000"]B+[/color]

[/b]Joe Flacco did a good job making his reads and being on the same page with his receivers. His passes had some velocity on them, and his best throws were high and tight. He missed on one long one to Anquan Boldin, but he delivered when he had to make plays. Flacco had a QB rating of 128.7.

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That's a solid grade from Preston who has been critical of Joe (and our entire team, justifiably so). If Preston can give Joe a B+, I can't see how anybody can give him anything less.

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1285594448' post='489616']
You do a lot of changing of the mind after "sleeping on it".
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A lot of people do

[1/28/01]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1285600209' post='489696']
A lot of people do
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I was once told by my business mentor to take 15 minutes, gather your thoughts and then react. I suggest you do the same

The snap judgments that are retracted/changed the next morning don't bode well for building valid arguments.

[Guest RBates]

Listen to the guy that said you will not be popular in the league unless you are a running QB. Look guys a complete athlete at the position puts a strain on the defense. Please don't try and tell ex athletes that a scrambling Qb is not harder to defend then a pocket passer. Joe is an athlete although he is not going to win a 40 yard dash he can still run if it is necessary. Michael Vick is and has always been one of the best QB's in this league. If he had weapons which he does now you will see just how good he is. By the way check his stats let me know what you think. As far as managing the game and making the throws and willing your team to victory ( Hands down best QB right now period.)

[flynismo]

[quote name='CNC' timestamp='1285593766' post='489605']<br />On that 3rd TD to Boldin, He Held the ball til the defender got like 1 inch from him<br />[/quote]

yes, and did you notice that 'deer in headlights' look he had when he released the ball??

[berad]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1285608405' post='489798']
Listen to the guy that said you will not be popular in the league unless you are a running QB. Look guys a complete athlete at the position puts a strain on the defense. [b]Please don't try and tell ex athletes that a scrambling Qb is not harder to defend then a pocket passer.[/b] Joe is an athlete although he is not going to win a 40 yard dash he can still run if it is necessary. [b]Michael Vick is and has always been one of the best QB's in this league.[/b] If he had weapons which he does now you will see just how good he is. By the way check his stats let me know what you think. As far as managing the game and making the throws and willing your team to victory ( Hands down best QB right now period.)
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I almost threw up..

Who has been more successful in their careers?

Michael Vick

or

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Dan Marino
Joe Montana
Warren Moon
and the numerous other 'pocket passers' that have flourished in this league.

It's actually very easy to defend against Michael Vick, go look at our game against him in 2006. Once teams watch some tape and key-in on him, Vick's production will drop.

[berad]

[quote name='Juviebest' timestamp='1285590124' post='489574']
Flacco didn't dominate. How many three and outs did our offense have? How about that first pass that should have been a pick six? Cam did a better job with the scheme this week as far as using formations that give Joe more direction so to speak. Joe isn't ready to do the shotgun empty backfield thing like Peyton is known for. Joe is still to indecisive with that.
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Joe Flacco did dominate.. 3 Touchdowns, 71% completions, 8.5 yards/attempt, with no glaring or statistical errors is domination in my book.

Sure he made mistakes. That first pass, heading out of bounds, was a little soft and had a chance to be picked. It wasn't. Also, our offense only had two three-and-outs, if you don't believe me you can look it up [url="http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010092604/2010/REG3/browns@ravens#tab:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay"][color="#4B0082"](LINK)[/color][/url].

Joe Flacco played an excellent game. There's really nothing substantial that you can say against it.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1285612863' post='489878']
I almost threw up..

Who has been more successful in their careers?

Michael Vick

or

Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Dan Marino
Joe Montana
Warren Moon
and the numerous other 'pocket passers' that have flourished in this league.

It's actually very easy to defend against Michael Vick, go look at our game against him in 2006. Once teams watch some tape and key-in on him, Vick's production will drop.
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So true. It's one thing to state that Vick is the best dual-threat QB in the league, but saying he is a better overall QB than many of today's pocket passers? No way. Vick has looked sharp, but he also played against the Lions, Jaguars, and an injured Packers secondary. His career as a passer can't hold a candle to any of the guys you mentioned. Nice support for your argument Berad.

[Kwothdaraven]

I actually botderline hate mike preston. He trys so hard to be that guy who "keeps it real" but he really makes himself look dumb alot.


Flacco deserves nothing less than an A. He was as accurate as i have ever seen him. He was throwing with some serious velocity, and he led a 4th quarter comeback with a picture perfect pass deep up the middle.

Who ever said boldin wasbt a deep threat? Hes been one hell of a deep threat all season

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1285608405' post='489798']
Listen to the guy that said you will not be popular in the league unless you are a running QB. Look guys a complete athlete at the position puts a strain on the defense. Please don't try and tell ex athletes that a scrambling Qb is not harder to defend then a pocket passer. Joe is an athlete although he is not going to win a 40 yard dash he can still run if it is necessary. Michael Vick is and has always been one of the best QB's in this league. If he had weapons which he does now you will see just how good he is. By the way check his stats let me know what you think. As far as managing the game and making the throws and willing your team to victory ( Hands down best QB right now period.)
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You are wrong about Vick. For a couple years he was the best QB in the prison system, but that's about as far as it goes.

[ravenanchors]

The argument that Vick had no one to throw to when he was with the Falcons does not hold water, because if Vick was such a great running quarterback, he wouldn't need great receivers. Once Vick left the Falcons, the Falcons actually improved with a pocket passer.

Besides, Flacco had only 1 receiver, 1 running back and 1 tight end and his numbers were pretty good the past 2 years.

The reason Vick did not succeed in Atlanta was because he was hyped as this great threat that could run the ball. Vick's ego grew as everyone around him praised his running ability. He thought he would win the games and he did not pass the ball around. He would run for his own ego's sake. Once teams caught on he did not have much success.

The fact is, good defenses will shut Vick down and force him to throw the ball.
Steelers shut down Vince Young and won that game with a 3rd string quarterback.
Greenbay shut down Vick and won that game.
Miami is not having success with the wildcat, they use it less and less.

Although Vick has arm strength and accuracy, he does not have the mental discipline to make the decisions to throw the ball. He has completed passes against poor defenses when he has all day to throw, but he has been sacked 11 times. Everyone says he has the best receiving corp he has ever had, yet he has been sacked 11 times for -71 yards. That means he is not throwing the ball because he does not have the mental capacity or discipline that a good quarterback needs for decision making.

Is this because Vick spends too much time drinking with his dog fightin and gun totin buddies, Instead of in the gym or studying the playbook. He had a retired coach show him how to be a quarterback and how to have personal character so he would be acceptable to the fans, coaches and players.

But, as soon as Vick signed an NFL contract he was in trouble again. Not because his dogfighting buddy shot someone at Vicks party but, we now know he is still hangin with his dog fighting buddy. That is an example of bad decision making and poor character. Vick has not changed his ways, he is still influenced by the hoods he hung with in his neighborhood because they stroke his ego. The NFL covered up the whole incident and they pretend it didn't happen. Vick should have been suspended from the NFL again.

Once again sports analysts are jumping on the "Vick" bandwagon and giving him the "hype" which will inflate his ego because he is being talked about and to not dissapoint the sportscasters he will run the ball too much once again.
Run Vick Run, See Vick Run.

Lets put the Vick talk to rest and ignore the posters who don't know a good quarterback (Joe) from hype.

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='ravenanchors' timestamp='1285672150' post='490493']
The argument that Vick had no one to throw to when he was with the Falcons does not hold water, because if Vick was such a great running quarterback, he wouldn't need great receivers. Once Vick left the Falcons, the Falcons actually improved with a pocket passer.



Besides, Flacco had only 1 receiver, 1 running back and 1 tight end and his numbers were pretty good the past 2 years.

The reason Vick did not succeed in Atlanta was because he was hyped as this great threat that could run the ball. Vick's ego grew as everyone around him praised his running ability. He thought he would win the games and he did not pass the ball around. He would run for his own ego's sake. Once teams caught on he did not have much success.

The fact is, good defenses will shut Vick down and force him to throw the ball.
Steelers shut down Vince Young and won that game with a 3rd string quarterback.
Greenbay shut down Vick and won that game.
Miami is not having success with the wildcat, they use it less and less.

Although Vick has arm strength and accuracy, he does not have the mental discipline to make the decisions to throw the ball. He has completed passes against poor defenses when he has all day to throw, but he has been sacked 11 times. Everyone says he has the best receiving corp he has ever had, yet he has been sacked 11 times for -71 yards. That means he is not throwing the ball because he does not have the mental capacity or discipline that a good quarterback needs for decision making.

Is this because Vick spends too much time drinking with his dog fightin and gun totin buddies, Instead of in the gym or studying the playbook. He had a retired coach show him how to be a quarterback and how to have personal character so he would be acceptable to the fans, coaches and players.

But, as soon as Vick signed an NFL contract he was in trouble again. Not because his dogfighting buddy shot someone at Vicks party but, we now know he is still hangin with his dog fighting buddy. That is an example of bad decision making and poor character. Vick has not changed his ways, he is still influenced by the hoods he hung with in his neighborhood because they stroke his ego. The NFL covered up the whole incident and they pretend it didn't happen. Vick should have been suspended from the NFL again.

Once again sports analysts are jumping on the "Vick" bandwagon and giving him the "hype" which will inflate his ego because he is being talked about and to not dissapoint the sportscasters he will run the ball too much once again.
Run Vick Run, See Vick Run.

Lets put the Vick talk to rest and ignore the posters who don't know a good quarterback (Joe) from hype.
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So many wrongs in there...

[grape drank]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1285608405' post='489798']
Listen to the guy that said you will not be popular in the league unless you are a running QB. Look guys a complete athlete at the position puts a strain on the defense. Please don't try and tell ex athletes that a scrambling Qb is not harder to defend then a pocket passer. Joe is an athlete although he is not going to win a 40 yard dash he can still run if it is necessary. Michael Vick is and has always been one of the best QB's in this league. If he had weapons which he does now you will see just how good he is. By the way check his stats let me know what you think. As far as managing the game and making the throws and willing your team to victory ( Hands down best QB right now period.)
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Vick does add, a whole new element to the game with his running ability ( more so when he was with the falcons, as he is a tad slower now but he's starting to get it back); however, I would still take peyton or brees over him (not brady though). Its harder to account for those two's ability to just shred you with the pass than it is to set up a QB spy to watch out for the occasional run from VIck. BTW whoever neg'd this comment that was unnecessary, people have a right to their own opinions. I gave you a plus just to get it back to par.

[I AM LEGEND]

B+ today

Finally got over the "steeler" hump

Looked very capable and made some good throws...saw the pump fake..looked off his receivers...

Botttomline is Joe looked good against a top 3 defense....AGAIN

Would've been an A game if not for that horrid interception

[flynismo]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1286172585' post='497527']<br />B+ today<br /><br />Finally got over the &quot;steeler&quot; hump<br /><br />Looked very capable and made some good throws...saw the pump fake..looked off his receivers...<br /><br />Botttomline is Joe looked good against a top 3 defense....AGAIN<br /><br />Would've been an A game if not for that horrid interception<br />[/quote]

agree, B+ for today's wonderful performance.

To get that A, he needed to convert one of those goalline passes. But, that will come with just a little more seasoning.

Very happy to see what the future holds for our prize QB. We just played three of last years top five defenses in the opening month of the year (not to mention that one of those teams won our division last year and the other made it to the AFCCG), and have a 3-1 record to show for it. All without ed reed, jared gaither and dominique foxworth. Now that we are heading into the easier part of our schedule, and reed and gaither soon returning, we have a golden opportunity ahead of us. Anyone else pumped???

[hammer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1286173356' post='497534']
agree, B+ for today's wonderful performance.

To get that A, he needed to convert one of those goalline passes. But, that will come with just a little more seasoning.

Very happy to see what the future holds for our prize QB. We just played three of last years top five defenses in the opening month of the year (not to mention that one of those teams won our division last year and the other made it to the AFCCG), and have a 3-1 record to show for it. All without ed reed, jared gaither and dominique foxworth. Now that we are heading into the easier part of our schedule, and reed and gaither soon returning, we have a golden opportunity ahead of us. Anyone else pumped???
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Yeah, I am feeling pretty good about this team now.

[Radinho84]

two weeks ago there were guys in here that wanted to bench him and go after vick after the season. i don´t think that you can rebound any better like flacco did last yesterday. he got the chance to win the game and was just phenomenal.were are those haters now??? he was 5 for 5 and a td on that last drive.and that against a defense like the stealers which brings pressure every play. i don´t care about the interception. 7 different targets again. we spread the ball around nicely played both the run and the pass very balanced and with that defense we have not too many teams will stop us!!!

[Milton145]

Going into the game I was mad nervous about Flacco dealing with the pressure. The O-Line helped Joe have time to go through his progressions and so did Heap and Rice on the blitz pickup. Flacco didn't try to force anything today which is a great sign. On that game winning catch Flacco could have even missed TJ (I've seen Rodgers who people think is a better QB do it in the NFCCG) from excitement but he stayed cool all day long. He's now 5 TDs and 6 INTs I think. I'm positive those will look a whole hell of a lot better when the season is over and done with. I'm just pumped up for what we got when we face lesser defenses. Right now Broncos have the 16th ranked defense so I can't wait to face them.

Our receivers are going to start clicking. Flacco is going to have mad confidence after this game. Watch out NFL.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1286185856' post='497583']
Going into the game I was mad nervous about Flacco dealing with the pressure. The O-Line helped Joe have time to go through his progressions and so did Heap and Rice on the blitz pickup. Flacco didn't try to force anything today which is a great sign. On that game winning catch Flacco could have even missed TJ (I've seen Rodgers who people think is a better QB do it in the NFCCG) from excitement but he stayed cool all day long. He's now 5 TDs and 6 INTs I think. I'm positive those will look a whole hell of a lot better when the season is over and done with. I'm just pumped up for what we got when we face lesser defenses. Right now Broncos have the 16th ranked defense so I can't wait to face them.

Our receivers are going to start clicking. Flacco is going to have mad confidence after this game. Watch out NFL.
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it´s not the defens that should scare us when we talk about the broncos (also it´s a quiet good unit even without their stars) it´s the offense that will test us.

but if we show up like yesterday and flacco keeps getting better and better we should win that at home!!!

[ravenanchors]

The gameplan and play calling were much better in this game than it was in the Ravens loss to cincinati. It had a better balance of run, pass and play action. Also, the offensive line held up very well and allowed Flacco to throw. His accuracy and timing were amazing.

You have to give the credit to the Steelers for their goal line stand. If there was a way to throw the ball into the end zone without it being intercepted, I am sure Flacco would have. He did not make the mistake to force the ball and have it intercepted, instead the Steelers were pinned at their 3 yard line. I believe Flacco made the correct decision. Although the coaches should have tried a run or play action.

Have to give him a A-. Against the second best defense in the league, he only had 1 interception, 1 sack and his quarterback rating is 83. Flacco moved the ball consistently and overcame some penalties and kept the ball moving but dropped passes and penalties killed a couple of drives.

The Ravens have really pulled it together as a Team. Defense did not have to win the game, Flacco drove the team and scored. This was a Team Win.

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1286179190' post='497565']
two weeks ago there were guys in here that wanted to bench him and go after vick after the season. i don´t think that you can rebound any better like flacco did last yesterday. he got the chance to win the game and was just phenomenal.were are those haters now??? he was 5 for 5 and a td on that last drive.and that against a defense like the stealers which brings pressure every play. i don´t care about the interception. 7 different targets again. we spread the ball around nicely played both the run and the pass very balanced and with that defense we have not too many teams will stop us!!!
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Well for the record I'm one of those "haters" going into the season that thought Flacco wasn't the answer...and to be fair let's not act like that Bengals game was light years ago...Flacco has always been somewhat inconsistent...and this is one of the reasons I made this thread to kind of chronicle this season.

So far with a quarter of the season played the board has kinda agreed with these grades:

B- for the Jets game
D for the Bengals game
A for the Browns

And even though not everyone has submitted their grades for this game I can't see how you can go under a B.

Ive always said I was rooting for Joe and so far how could you be mad at him after "helping" this team go 3-1 against the defenses we have faced...but now the hard part is coming for Joe...some average to below average defenses are on the slate and now Joe will be EXPECTED to perform at a high level consistently.

[jaege]

I have to go with an A-. I went B with the Browns because it was the Browns. This was the Steelers. At home. On a 3 game winning streak. They were primed and pumped, and we still beat them. The whole team came together. You could not ask for much more. Sure there was an intereception and a sack, but that is part of life when you are playing one of the best defenses in the league. Flacco was smooth and cool, never looked ruffled, just played great.

[FlaccoFlicker]

Think the O-line keeping it tight helped Joe alot yesterday.He wasn't rushed like he has been.And when he was he made smart desicions and didn't try to force something.
On the pick was it his throw or did Mason no run the route right.I know Boldin kept running on a quick hitch,that thankfully went to the ground.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1286193566' post='497634']
Well for the record I'm one of those "haters" going into the season that thought Flacco wasn't the answer...and to be fair let's not act like that Bengals game was light years ago...Flacco has always been somewhat inconsistent...and this is one of the reasons I made this thread to kind of chronicle this season.

So far with a quarter of the season played the board has kinda agreed with these grades:

B- for the Jets game
D for the Bengals game
A for the Browns

And even though not everyone has submitted their grades for this game I can't see how you can go under a B.

Ive always said I was rooting for Joe and so far how could you be mad at him after "helping" this team go 3-1 against the defenses we have faced...but now the hard part is coming for Joe...some average to below average defenses are on the slate and now Joe will be EXPECTED to perform at a high level consistently.
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So that would make one A, 2 Bs and one D. As was being stated, everyone has their bad days. I don't see how that makes him inconsistent.

Anyway, I haven't seen anyone mention what Joe DID do very well this game. While there might have been one or two times when he held the ball too long, he threw the ball away when necessary rather than trying to make something happen that wasn't there. Our O line did great but there WAS pressure at times and Joe responded well.