Grading Flacco's Performance

[flynismo]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1284564800' post='477731']<br />You're wrong. It happens all the time, Phillip Rivers did something very similar Monday night, in fact worse because the receiver couldn't even jump to the ball while standing at the back of the end zone. For Flacco, there was miscommunication. Flacco thought that McClain was going to keep running, and McClain found himself so open that he stopped short, thinking Flacco would adjust. What's embarrassing is the fact that everyone thinks they're an expert analyst, and that everything Flacco does is put under a microscope. Yes, he makes mistakes, but the idea that they're shocking and unprecedented is insane. Also, no one on the team cares whether or not you excuse them from their mistakes, which are going to happen.<br /><br />The way Flacco has been criticized, I can't even imagine how Sanchez must feel. I'm glad Flacco has such thick skin, otherwise all this crap might get to him.<br />[/quote]

Do you see the hypocrisy in calling other people 'expert analysts' in a sarcastic tone and calling them wrong, and then you follow it up with an 'expert analysis' of your own? Now, if you have evidence, other than your own breakdown of the play, to support the idea that McClain just stopped for no apparent reason other than the fact he was open, then by all means share it, because I would love to pin that one on McClain rather than Flacco.

And no one here as far as I can tell is giving anything other than opinions, breakdowns and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism of Joe..no one here is calling for his head or calling him a scrub. If you want undiscriminatory criticism, you shoulda been here in Week 4 last year when Clayton dropped that pass in NE!

Relax man.

As for that overthrow to McClain, it does happen a lot. But that doesn't excuse it. Its one of the first things every team works on eliminating..we can blame it on whoever, but the point is, it shouldn't be happening in the first place regardless of who's fault it is.

Now, my official statement (I've always wanted to make an "official statement", well outside of a courthouse haha) on that play is that Flacco needed to make a better pass. It's part of a QBs vision and seeing the field. He saw McClain wide open standing there, or at least he should have. Adjust your throw to the play that is unfolding in front of you.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravens world' timestamp='1284575626' post='477918']
i think flacco get a c [b]he made to many mistake didnt hit the receivers when they where open[/b] i think he did bad but i think the offensive coordinator did worst playing all conservative and stuff when playing a good deffence u suppose to play real aggressive not scared !
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What game were you watching? Yes, he made a number of mistakes and missed on some throws but give him credit for throws he did make.

You don't throw close to 250 yards and not hit open WRs.

[Jabara]

Giving Flacco a C+ is very fair, especially when he lost a fumble and threw a INT, not to mention having thrown no TD's.
You can't go around saying well, the receivers dropped the ball a lot, or other excuses.
How many dropped balls in the the endzone is not a stat. It might get mentioned, but in the end, it's not production, so it does count for anything.
Obviously, I grade his performance within the league of other QB's.
I factor in the fact we were playing perhaps the best defense in the league, hence giving him the (+). And giving a QB with no TD's, 1 INT, and 1 lost fumble a C+, is actually quite high of a grade.
If Flacco was playing an average, middle grade defense, say the 16th best D, and he has those same stats as he did in the Jets game, I'd give him a D, or worse.
As far as this silly Brady argument, we'll see what he does against the Jets week 2.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1284580787' post='478000']
Do you see the hypocrisy in calling other people 'expert analysts' in a sarcastic tone and calling them wrong, and then you follow it up with an 'expert analysis' of your own? Now, if you have evidence, other than your own breakdown of the play, to support the idea that McClain just stopped for no apparent reason other than the fact he was open, then by all means share it, because I would love to pin that one on McClain rather than Flacco.

And no one here as far as I can tell is giving anything other than opinions, breakdowns and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism of Joe..no one here is calling for his head or calling him a scrub. If you want undiscriminatory criticism, you shoulda been here in Week 4 last year when Clayton dropped that pass in NE!

Relax man.

As for that overthrow to McClain, it does happen a lot. But that doesn't excuse it. Its one of the first things every team works on eliminating..we can blame it on whoever, but the point is, it shouldn't be happening in the first place regardless of who's fault it is.

Now, my official statement (I've always wanted to make an "official statement", well outside of a courthouse haha) on that play is that Flacco needed to make a better pass. It's part of a QBs vision and seeing the field. He saw McClain wide open standing there, or at least he should have. Adjust your throw to the play that is unfolding in front of you.
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I understand all the points you are making, but on your offical statment. If you look at the play again and break it down frame by frame or whatever you choose to do, McClain was actually still moving foward(can't really say he was running), but he still had the motion as if he was continuing his route. Then like you said for whatever reason he stopped just as the ball was being released from Joe's hand. So i think the blame can be placed on both Flacco and McClain, because only the coaches know the truth.

So does that now make this my offical statemnt, or just my opinion on your offical statement? I don't know

[MagicianCamille]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1284581239' post='478006']
What game were you watching? Yes, he made a number of mistakes and missed on some throws but give him credit for throws he did make.

You don't throw close to 250 yards and not hit open WRs.
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I think he's talking about the fumble, the interception, the missed pass to a wide open McClain in the endzone, overthrowing Housh on what would have been an easy touchdown, and flat out missing some other throws.

Yes he turned it around, but you have to judge the entire performance.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1284581777' post='478015']<br />I understand all the points you are making, but on your offical statment. If you look at the play again and break it down frame by frame or whatever you choose to do, McClain was actually still moving foward(can't really say he was running), but he still had the motion as if he was continuing his route. Then like you said for whatever reason he stopped just as the ball was being released from Joe's hand. So i think the blame can be placed on both Flacco and McClain, because only the coaches know the truth. <br /><br />So does that now make this my offical statemnt, or just my opinion on your offical statement? I don't know<br />[/quote]

lol, it can be your official statement in retort to my official statement, if you'd like.

My counter retort, officially of course, is that perhaps McClain slowed down because he assumed that when Flacco saw him wide open, Flacco was going to drill it into his chest, because that is what you do when you see a guy wide open, and stopped running when he realized that he had no chance of making the grab.

See, to me, McClain just stopping, regardless of the point of release, makes no sense to me if it weren't a designed route, or if he wanted to make sure he had plenty of clearance from the sidelines since nobody was near him.
All of this on my part is pure speculation. It may not have anything to do with reality. Maybe McClain really is just that dumb. But to me, my theory of events make most sense to me, so until the coaches give us some insight into that play, I'm going to think that this one was on Flacco.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1284583010' post='478036']
lol, it can be your official statement in retort to my official statement, if you'd like.

My counter retort, officially of course, is that perhaps McClain slowed down because he assumed that when Flacco saw him wide open, Flacco was going to drill it into his chest, because that is what you do when you see a guy wide open, and stopped running when he realized that he had no chance of making the grab.

See, to me, McClain just stopping, regardless of the point of release, makes no sense to me if it weren't a designed route, or if he wanted to make sure he had plenty of clearance from the sidelines since nobody was near him.
All of this on my part is pure speculation. It may not have anything to do with reality. Maybe McClain really is just that dumb. But to me, my theory of events make most sense to me, so until the coaches give us some insight into that play, I'm going to think that this one was on Flacco.
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Yea i understand that but in fairness to Joe, he couldn't just drill it in there because there was pressure in his face and Revis was underneath of mcClain. So Flacco had to put some air under the ball.

Now because it was some type of mix up between he and McClain it looked like Joe just air mailed it.

So offically i'm saying it was just a offensive mix up. The blame goes to Joe McClian, or LeRon Flacco. Which ever way u wannna put it

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1284583882' post='478053']
Yea i understand that but in fairness to Joe, he couldn't just drill it in there because there was pressure in his face and Revis was underneath of mcClain. So Flacco had to put some air under the ball.

Now because it was some type of mix up between he and McClain it looked like Joe just air mailed it.

So offically i'm saying it was just a offensive mix up. The blame goes to Joe McClian, or LeRon Flacco. Which ever way u wannna put it
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Thank you, and I shouldn't need support to show that flynismo.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1284580787' post='478000']
Do you see the hypocrisy in calling other people 'expert analysts' in a sarcastic tone and calling them wrong, and then you follow it up with an 'expert analysis' of your own? Now, if you have evidence, other than your own breakdown of the play, to support the idea that McClain just stopped for no apparent reason other than the fact he was open, then by all means share it, because I would love to pin that one on McClain rather than Flacco.

And no one here as far as I can tell is giving anything other than opinions, breakdowns and CONSTRUCTIVE criticism of Joe..no one here is calling for his head or calling him a scrub. If you want undiscriminatory criticism, you shoulda been here in Week 4 last year when Clayton dropped that pass in NE!
[/quote]

I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. I'm not being a hypocrite, because it doesn't take expert analysis to know that there was miscommunication on that play. I was responding to someone who said that it was "inexcusable" and "embarrassing," do you agree with that sentiment? Because it's much more presumptuous to say that a QB has done something so bad that they deserve to be lashed in hindsight, and to ignore the fact that the best quarterbacks make similar mistakes. Never mind that in this case it was against the top defense and top pass defense, and was the opening game in their stadium. Never mind all of the factors, that TD pass was "inexcusable." Now, I'm sure you don't agree with that, but you should pay attention to what people are responding to, not just what they say.

[flynismo]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1284592635' post='478195']<br />I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. I'm not being a hypocrite, because it doesn't take expert analysis to know that there was miscommunication on that play. I was responding to someone who said that it was &quot;inexcusable&quot; and &quot;embarrassing,&quot; do you agree with that sentiment? Because it's much more presumptuous to say that a QB has done something so bad that they deserve to be lashed in hindsight, and to ignore the fact that the best quarterbacks make similar mistakes. Never mind that in this case it was against the top defense and top pass defense, and was the opening game in their stadium. Never mind all of the factors, that TD pass was &quot;inexcusable.&quot; Now, I'm sure you don't agree with that, but you should pay attention to what people are responding to, not just what they say.<br />[/quote]

okay, lets leave it at that then. Obviously we'll never agree on that particular play, but who gives a crap, we both agree that despite the mistakes, flacco played well in adverse conditions.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1284582239' post='478025']
I think he's talking about the fumble, the interception, the missed pass to a wide open McClain in the endzone, overthrowing Housh on what would have been an easy touchdown, and flat out missing some other throws.

Yes he turned it around, but you have to judge the entire performance.
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I [i]am[/i] judging his entire performance. Again, mistakes were made but he went 9 of 14 passes for 137 yards on third downs and has a sure TD pass dropped by Heap.

And as for the long pass to T.J., he very well may have caught it had Wilson not impeded him.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1284599958' post='478316']
I [i]am[/i] judging his entire performance. Again, mistakes were made but he went 9 of 14 passes for 137 yards on third downs and has a sure TD pass dropped by Heap.

And as for the long pass to T.J., he very well may have caught it had Wilson not impeded him.
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I think he is refering to over throwning TJ in the corner of the endzone when he had Cromartie beat, but Joe threw the ball out of bounds.

Even on that play i think it was just a case of him and TJ just not having that chemistry yet. I think if that were Heap on that play it would have been a TD for sure.

Bottomline is Joe played well enough for us to win, but we all would love to see him play even better because we know he can. In year's past the Ravens don't win that game, but because we have a guy like Joe we did.

[Ravens Lover]

I'll give him a B- because he was getting pressured constantly but he still kept his cool, but even when he did have time he did have some poor passes

[MagicianCamille]

Considering all the weapons he has now, I expected better. I don't think that's an unfair expectation.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1284601613' post='478342']
Considering all the weapons he has now, I expected better. I don't think that's an unfair expectation.
[/quote]

For you personally no it's not an unfair expectation, however to some others it may be.

You are talking about a offense with some new weapons in the first game of the season. It's common for the defense to be ahead of the offense this time of year, and the Ravens were facing one of the best.

Also, you are talking about a offense that looks to set things up by using the run, but couldn't run all night.

I think sometimes we see the names of the players surrounding Flacco now, and we expect him to just be crazy good, and he will be this year imo.

However, this offense like any other high powered offense needs time to click. Think back to Brady last year. The NE offense didn't click in the first few weeks because Brady was still trying to work his way back from injury. It took time for them to get their feel back.

Yea Flacco missed some plays that are just inexcusable, but for the few things he did bad, he did a hellva lot of things extermely well Monday night.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Regardless of the 0/1 TD/Int ratio, Flacco deserves a solid B. A lot of his throws were on 3rd down, including TJs only catch in which Joe put the ball right where it had to be in order for TJ to be the only one able to get it. Also, the deep pass to Boldin on 3rd and long when we were backed up at our own goaline. There were other big and gutsy throws he made that night. He held on to the ball very long at times, but surprisingly, he only once paid for it (the fumble). Other times, he stood in the pocket and got rid of it at the last possible second and somehow managed to complete those passes. He also showed mobility at times, which I will keep stressing, especially if the O line doesn't pick it up. But Joe was solid, no doubt about it.

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1284582239' post='478025']
I think he's talking about the fumble, the interception, the missed pass to a wide open McClain in the endzone, overthrowing Housh on what would have been an easy touchdown, and flat out missing some other throws.

Yes he turned it around, but you have to judge the entire performance.
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If Housh isn't being interfered with he makes that catch. The quarterback is supposed to throw that where the DB can't get it. That's what he did, Housh got held up or else im sure he would have at least had a play on that ball

[purple.n.black]

Other than his first play and overthrowing Mcclain he did fine. BUT come on why did he overthrow Mcclain. He only had to throw it right at him, and after Mcclain stopped he tried to throw it over his shoulder. But Joe handled the pressure well. Sometimes too well. He just had that cool look on his face like he didn't care enough, and many of his passes were inaccurate. I think he could have done a lot better. But with that being said, it was the Jets defense, and they did stop our run. Had the game been against a less harsh defense that we could run on, it would have been a really big day for Joe.

[purple.n.black]

And to add somethin else, that was a beautiful would-be-td pass to Heap. Heap shoulda had it but still it could have barely been better.

[MagicianCamille]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' timestamp='1284606424' post='478392']
If Housh isn't being interfered with he makes that catch. The quarterback is supposed to throw that where the DB can't get it. That's what he did, Housh got held up or else im sure he would have at least had a play on that ball
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Not talking about the PI call. Pretty sure we got a touchdown on that drive.

[I AM LEGEND]

Alright guys not to beat a dead horse but this was a thread that I wanted to keep going on a weekly trend...

We've all talked about the game so we don't have to come in here and state the obvious all over again

The overall consensus of Week 1 was around a B/ B- average

So flat out I'm gonna give Flacco a D- for his week 2 performance...only thing that saved him from an F was the TD throw and the opening possession of the second half when he looked the most comfortable.

[Runnin Raven]

Yes, D-. A couple of drops by Housh would have made a difference here, but they weren't spectacular throws either. He was off target from the first snap of the game.

Hopefully this is his worst-graded performance of the year.

[berad]

Oh, you don't say!! Joe Flacco had a bad game? Astounding!

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1284993471' post='483600']


Oh, you don't say!! Joe Flacco had a bad game? Astounding!
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Lol...are you following me?

This thread is here to grade Flacco game by game..if I've offended u in another thread can you not bring the animosity in here..

Simply leave a grade or get out lol

This thread will be here when Joe has good and bad games

[berad]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1284993660' post='483602']
Lol...are you following me?

This thread is here to grade Flacco game by game..if I've offended u in another thread can you not bring the animosity in here..

Simply leave a grade or get out lol

This thread will be here when Joe has good and bad games
[/quote]

You haven't offended me, personally, no. And I'm not following you, or am I?

I was just merely pointing out that we numerous Flacco threads going at this moment as well as a grading thread (for the team). Your post falls into both those categories.

I commend you for resurrecting this topic but it just adds to the clutter of an already hectic board when topics just like it exist.

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1284994012' post='483616']
You haven't offended me, personally, no. And I'm not following you, or am I?

I was just merely pointing out that we numerous Flacco threads going at this moment as well as a grading thread (for the team). Your post falls into both those categories.

I commend you for resurrecting this topic but it just adds to the clutter of an already hectic board when topics just like it exist.
[/quote]

And even with all that said...its still seems if I maybe offended you and now ur following me..lol

[CapoRocky]

The Sunpapers gave Flacco an F. I would give him a D+ considering that pass to Mason was a beauty.

[1/28/01]

"P" for poopy!!

[I AM LEGEND]

C for today's game against the browns

Some great throws some bad throws

Overall better pocket presence

Still not a great game despite boldin seeming to be open every time...

[PuRock]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1285540170' post='489065']
C for today's game against the browns

Some great throws some bad throws

Overall better pocket presence

Still not a great game despite boldin seeming to be open every time...
[/quote]

Now your just dragging. We all know your hatred for Flacco, but it's kind of hard to give him a C. No INTs, 3 TDs. Your grading privileges have been revoked.