Grading Flacco's Performance

[ravenanchors]

Nobody will ever be 100 percent perfect and so grading Flacco's performance needs to be considered on a grade. Who should we compare his performance against, how about Tom Brady. Brady had almost identical stats to Flacco, but Flacco played against the best defense in the NFL (so Rex say's). WOW Flacco. And I too would like to mention that Flacco chased down Cromartie after the interception.

For all you nay-sayers, say nay no more. Flacco has proven his worth.

[Jabara]

I would give Flacco a C+.
He was unaware when he was hit and fumbled.
He threw an interception.
He overthrew his receivers on some critical occasions.
That alone is a C at best. But he was able to bounce back after that huge hit, and make some plays and some great throws and decisions.
I'll take the fumble/sack over a redzone interception.
I realize that the offense needs more time to gel together and for Flacco and his receivers to get on the same page, and it was the Jets defense. He had trouble making reads because it's an exotic defense, but he should have had lots of film tape to look at.
I think a C+ is fair, with everything involved.
There is no doubt in my mind that he has the possibility to be a consistent "A" QB.
Next week will be another test for him, perhaps not as intense, but he will be facing some allegedly good CB's.
We'll see.
Can't wait.

[ravensfan160]

That missed TD to McClain is inexcusable. Embarrassing in fact.

[Jabara]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1284533095' post='477511']
That missed TD to McClain is inexcusable. Embarrassing in fact.
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I agree, Flacco was rushed during that play, and I think he is still learning how he reacts in that situation, because while he did have some time to make a good throw, he rushed himself I think to show the coaches he's learned to get the ball out quicker.
I see no other reason. Like I said, a defender was closing in on him, but he had that extra second to plant himself and make the throw. He made a great throw, I think it was to Boldin, when Joe knew he was going to get hit, but stood there and delivered a great ball, while taking the hit.
So he's still learning. But, the redzone is not a time to be testing yourself, it's time for proper execution.

[JaxFlaccoFan]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1284532513' post='477510']
I would give Flacco a C+.
He was unaware when he was hit and fumbled.
He threw an interception.
He overthrew his receivers on some critical occasions.
That alone is a C at best. But he was able to bounce back after that huge hit, and make some plays and some great throws and decisions.
I'll take the fumble/sack over a redzone interception.
I realize that the offense needs more time to gel together and for Flacco and his receivers to get on the same page, and it was the Jets defense. He had trouble making reads because it's an exotic defense, but he should have had lots of film tape to look at.
I think a C+ is fair, with everything involved.
There is no doubt in my mind that he has the possibility to be a consistent "A" QB.
Next week will be another test for him, perhaps not as intense, but he will be facing some allegedly good CB's.
We'll see.
Can't wait.
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Well, when I went to college they graded on a curve in relationship to your peers. In this context, especially considering what his peers have done against this defense, I would give him a higher grade.

[ravenanchors]

[quote name='ravenanchors' timestamp='1284525908' post='477471']
Nobody will ever be 100 percent perfect and so grading Flacco's performance needs to be considered on a grade. Who should we compare his performance against, how about Tom Brady. Brady had almost identical stats to Flacco, but Flacco played against the best defense in the NFL (so Rex say's). WOW
I would like to mention that Flacco chased down Cromartie after the interception.
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I would give Flacco an "A".
Any other quarterback who was placed under that amount of pressure would have done much worse except maybe Manning - Brees.

You cannot place the blame on Flacco for:

The Interception, - Receivers fault (and there was only 1 all game)

The running game - There was none to help disguise the pass

The fumble - getting sacked was his fault. Nobody will hold on to the ball when hit by 2 300 pound lineman. The fumble is credited to the defense.

The overthrow - it happens, no big deal

The remainder of the game Flacco read the defense, was tremendously accurate with his throws. The balls he overthrew, he was actually throwing them away.

His stats are comparable to Brady. (Brady had an easier game)

[ravenanchors]

Did anyone notice the changes to the receiving corps route running from last year.

Heap was going deep. He usually goes 5 yard crossing route.
Rice was running downfield. He is usually the dumpoff guy.
Mason was going deep. He is usualy the 5 to 10 yard down the sideline.

I think this surprised and confused the secondary.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I would grade it a 'B' overall.

He made 3 notable mistakes - holding onto the ball and taking that sack, that resulted in the fumble. That interception was bad judgement call; and that McClain missed TD pass was also a bad error.

However, Flacco made some excellent throws! Multiple times he stood in there and delivered perfect passes right in the face of major pressure. He didn't let early mistakes rattle him - and he was a master on 3rd down.

Can I just say Anquan Boldin = amazing!

[ravenanchors]

[quote name='ravenanchors' timestamp='1284553829' post='477577']
Did anyone notice the changes to the receiving corps route running from last year.

Heap was going deep. He usually goes 5 yard crossing route.
Rice was running downfield. He is usually the dumpoff guy.
Mason was going deep. He is usualy the 5 to 10 yard down the sideline.

I think this surprised and confused the secondary.
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With the addition of Q and Housh, I think the secondary had to create penalties because the receivers were running routes the secondary did not expect.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ravenanchors' timestamp='1284525908' post='477471']
Nobody will ever be 100 percent perfect and so grading Flacco's performance needs to be considered on a grade. Who should we compare his performance against, how about Tom Brady. Brady had almost identical stats to Flacco, but Flacco played against the best defense in the NFL (so Rex say's). WOW Flacco. And I too would like to mention that Flacco chased down Cromartie after the interception.

For all you nay-sayers, say nay no more. Flacco has proven his worth.
[/quote]
Im a Flacco supporter, but his performance was very far from Bradys!

Brady went 25 for 35 for 258 and 3 TD's.....big difference.

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1284556041' post='477604']
Im a Flacco supporter, but his performance was very far from Bradys!

Brady went 25 for 35 for 258 and 3 TD's.....big difference.
[/quote]

Exactly.

Its this type of homerism that makes me nitpic on Flacco alittle more then I would normally.

How in the world was flaccos performance anywhere near Bradys...who single handedly took the bengals out that game by torching them in the first half..

That statement is up there with the poster that said he hasn't seen one game in 2 years in which Flacco was the main reason for a Loss..Smh

He won the game on Monday...let's not taint that with calling it an "A" type of game or compare it to a QB that threw 3 TDs

[FlaccoFlicker]

i am going to rewatch the game tonight after work,so I will give a grade after that.I wasn't sober most the game soo what I remember was the bad things lol

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='FlaccoFlicker' timestamp='1284557238' post='477612']
i am going to rewatch the game tonight after work,so I will give a grade after that.I wasn't sober most the game soo what I remember was the bad things lol
[/quote]

Lol

The funny part is..I was also kinda tipsy watching the game...me and a couple of friends went to black bear to watch the game but for whatever reason the alcohol didn't effect with my ability to watch or analize the game...that's how focused I was on the mission at hand....however AFTER the game...I was a mess

[Perfekt]

flacco needs to release the ball sooner but other than that i thought he did fine with a make shift line.

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='Perfekt' timestamp='1284558393' post='477623']
flacco needs to release the ball sooner but other than that i thought he did fine with a make shift line.
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I thought the line was the key to the victory..and the key to making Joe look as good as he did

[FerrariFan87]

A solid "B" is a fair grade for Joe's performance, although if Heap catches that sure TD pass, Joe would probably have an A- or B+

[Perfekt]

I will give him a B- because the pass to Mcclain in the end zone is something he needs to fix. Joe will get it done as the season goes on tho.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1284533095' post='477511']
That missed TD to McClain is inexcusable. Embarrassing in fact.
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You're wrong. It happens all the time, Phillip Rivers did something very similar Monday night, in fact worse because the receiver couldn't even jump to the ball while standing at the back of the end zone. For Flacco, there was miscommunication. Flacco thought that McClain was going to keep running, and McClain found himself so open that he stopped short, thinking Flacco would adjust. What's embarrassing is the fact that everyone thinks they're an expert analyst, and that everything Flacco does is put under a microscope. Yes, he makes mistakes, but the idea that they're shocking and unprecedented is insane. Also, no one on the team cares whether or not you excuse them from their mistakes, which are going to happen.

The way Flacco has been criticized, I can't even imagine how Sanchez must feel. I'm glad Flacco has such thick skin, otherwise all this crap might get to him.

[ravenanchors]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1284556041' post='477604']
Im a Flacco supporter, but his performance was very far from Bradys!

Brady went 25 for 35 for 258 and 3 TD's.....big difference.
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Brady 25 of 35 for 258
Flacco 20 of 38 for 248 is not a big difference, very minor.
Heap dropped a td.
Housh interfered with a td.

Are you saying that 10 yards and 5 extra completions is a big difference??

A big difference would be Peyton's numbers from the weekend. But it would not be fair to judge Flacco to Peyton. At least not this year.

[VA_Fan]

I would give Joe a C+ as well. He just doesn't seem to play with any sort of urgency. He seems to have one only speed and doesn't release the ball quick enough. Even older QB's like Manning and Favre move around more then Joe.

Also, how come almost every deep ball he throws it off his back foot? I know he has the arm for it, but why not step into it? These things will be worked out I know. But that's my opinion.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1284533843' post='477515']
I agree, Flacco was rushed during that play, and I think he is still learning how he reacts in that situation, because while he did have some time to make a good throw, he rushed himself I think to show the coaches he's learned to get the ball out quicker.
I see no other reason. Like I said, a defender was closing in on him, but he had that extra second to plant himself and make the throw. He made a great throw, I think it was to Boldin, when Joe knew he was going to get hit, but stood there and delivered a great ball, while taking the hit.
So he's still learning. But, the redzone is not a time to be testing yourself, it's time for proper execution.
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i disagree, the more and more i look at that play the more i think it was just a mix up on the play.

Almost every team in the NFL runs that play and each time it is run, the recieving option(beit FB,TE,OL) continues to run to the back corner of the endzone. If you watch that play again, McClain actually stopped his feet as if he was sitting down against a zone defense.

If McClain continues to run the route Joe throws a perfect pass, however McClain stopped so it looked like Joe just over threw him. Now because i wasn't at practice when that play was run and i don't know if McClain was suppose to continue running or stop which he did, i can't really place blame on either.

However when you actually look close to that play, McClain was still running when Joe was releasing the ball, but McClain stopped and tried to restart. Joe actually didn't rush himself or the throw. He intentionally threw the ball to the sidelines of the endzone.

It was just a early season mix up imo, nothing more. When i first saw the play i though Joe just missed it aswell, because he did miss a few other throws, but closely watching that play over again i don't think it was all Joe's fault.

However it's the NFL and Qbs will either get all the blame or all the credit, so with that said, i'm sure Joe would say he has to complete that play regardless.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ravenanchors' timestamp='1284570079' post='477816']
Brady 25 of 35 for 258
Flacco 20 of 38 for 248 is not a big difference, very minor.
Heap dropped a td.
Housh interfered with a td.

Are you saying that 10 yards and 5 extra completions is a big difference??

A big difference would be Peyton's numbers from the weekend. But it would not be fair to judge Flacco to Peyton. At least not this year.
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Wow!!!! You really do believe Flaccos performance was Brady like?

Lower completion percentage, lower QB rating, less (no) TD's, and an INT.....

Don't get me wrong, im a huge Flacco supporter, but let's be real here man!

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1284572360' post='477867']
Wow!!!! You really do believe Flaccos performance was Brady like?

Lower completion percentage, lower QB rating, less (no) TD's, and an INT.....

Don't get me wrong, im a huge Flacco supporter, but let's be real here man!
[/quote]

Well in all fairness, Brady didn't face the caliber of defense that Flacco did. I'm not saying his performance was Brady or Manning like or whatever. However i don't think he played as poorly and some people think(no saying u do)

Brady had all day to throw against the Bengals. Brady also had his running game working against the Bengals.

Did Flacco miss some throws and make some mistakes, but he also was let down by some drops and faced a much greater pass rush.

So it's not that hard to compare Flacco and Brady's numbers from week one imo.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1284572751' post='477873']
Well in all fairness, Brady didn't face the caliber of defense that Flacco did. I'm not saying his performance was Brady or Manning like or whatever. However i don't think he played as poorly and some people think(no saying u do)

Brady had all day to throw against the Bengals. Brady also had his running game working against the Bengals.

Did Flacco miss some throws and make some mistakes, but he also was let down by some drops and faced a much greater pass rush.

So it's not that hard to compare Flacco and Brady's numbers from week one imo.
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I agree with most of that......Flacco was still not Brady Monday. We'll see come this Sunday against a normal D though. I think Flacco and Co. are going to do very well!

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1284572985' post='477880']
I agree with most of that......Flacco was still not Brady Monday. We'll see come this Sunday against a normal D though. I think Flacco and Co. are going to do very well!
[/quote]

yea i agree, you didn't think Brady manning Brees, when lookin at Flacco monday night. However, what most fans won't understand and peice together is that Flacco is still a 3rd year QB. He was playing with 2 new WRs in his offense, one of which just got here last week. Flacco did a great job against the blitz and especially on 3rd and long.

Now i'm not intending to make excuses for Flacco, i know that has been a hot topic. However, it is still gonna take some time before he actually strikes fear into the top defenses like a Brady, Manning or Brees can do.

He is clearly not there yet, so to that point, yest i agree with u 100%.

[ravenanchors]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1284572360' post='477867']
Wow!!!! You really do believe Flaccos performance was Brady like?

Lower completion percentage, lower QB rating, less (no) TD's, and an INT.....

Don't get me wrong, im a huge Flacco supporter, but let's be real here man!
[/quote]

I don't think you are analyzing what actually happend on the field. You are only reading the statistics which don't tell the whole story.
2 Touchdowns were dropped. That statistic goes against Flacco. But they were not his fault. He made good throws.
The same with all the throws that were incomplete because of pass interference.
That would be about another 100 yards plus quite a few additional completions.
those incompletions were not Flacco's fault. Although they show against the statistics.
So if all you can do is read statistics, You are missing half the game.

Here is another statistic.
Brady had 5 additional completions for 10 yards. That is 2 yards per completion.

That means that he was throwing short dump-offs which by nature are easy completions.
On the other hand Flacco was throwing the ball deep which is much more difficult.
If only 1 of the interference calls was a completion, Flacco would have had more yards than Brady.

I actually analyze the facts to draw my conclusions. I don't just read the statistics.

[Corvus]

In my opinion, Joe really only had two bad plays: his two turnovers. He was not entirely at fault on the pick as it looks as though Jaworski's suggestion that Q didn't exactly go where he should have, but at the same time Joe clearly threw it where there were two defenders. Yes, he overthrew McClain in the endzone (not as big of a deal since Willis punched it in a play later) and overthrew a couple of deep shots as well, but also had a couple of drops (Heap's potential TD catch?) But I think Joe responded really well to the turnovers and he showed great improvement on 3rd down, which allowed our offense to control the game, period. I would also give Joe a solid "B" for the game. He has already learned from the game and improved I am sure. We'll need that improvement for Sunday though..

[ravens world]

i think flacco get a c he made to many mistake didnt hit the receivers when they where open i think he did bad but i think the offensive coordinator did worst playing all conservative and stuff when playing a good deffence u suppose to play real aggressive not scared !

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ravenanchors' timestamp='1284574156' post='477899']
I don't think you are analyzing what actually happend on the field. You are only reading the statistics which don't tell the whole story.
2 Touchdowns were dropped. That statistic goes against Flacco. But they were not his fault. He made good throws.
The same with all the throws that were incomplete because of pass interference.
That would be about another 100 yards plus quite a few additional completions.
those incompletions were not Flacco's fault. Although they show against the statistics.
So if all you can do is read statistics, You are missing half the game.

Here is another statistic.
Brady had 5 additional completions for 10 yards. That is 2 yards per completion.

That means that he was throwing short dump-offs which by nature are easy completions.
On the other hand Flacco was throwing the ball deep which is much more difficult.
If only 1 of the interference calls was a completion, Flacco would have had more yards than Brady.

I actually analyze the facts to draw my conclusions. I don't just read the statistics.
[/quote]
Okie dokie.....

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='ravens world' timestamp='1284575626' post='477918']
i think flacco get a c he made to many mistake didnt hit the receivers when they where open i think he did bad but i think the offensive coordinator did worst playing all conservative and stuff when playing a good deffence u suppose to play real aggressive not scared !
[/quote]

I don't agree with this...there was no reason to play aggressive at any point in mondays game...as long as the Jets weren't blowing us out the water...stick to the Raven gameplan...the last thing you wanna do against an aggressive defense like the jets is go for the big plays..stick to ur guns and make their offense face our defense