Stallworth To Cleveland

[Jay Naked]

Hmm, it seems we'll HAVE to get a new corner this year if we want to be able to compete with the Browns this year. With their free agency so far, they're looking like an ever stronger threat for the division championship. Your thoughts?

[Sub-Zero]

yeah I posted in the free agency thread that we definitely need a corner now. im thinking we can get someone in the 2nd round.

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

I dont care how good the browns become if they dont change their uniforms no one is gonna take them seriously. But they are getting Good and i think the old dukey brown days are just about over for the new and improved cleveland team. With stallworth, Braylond edwards, joe jus2vicious, and kellen winslow the browns are gonna have a serious passing attack this year. And with the resigning of Big Body ted washington and the free agent pick up of DT corey williams (6'4" 313 pounds) from the packers, not to forget willis mcginest the pressure is gonna be on and the run is gonna be haulted.

Ravens need to address the CB position and Offensive line Big time in the draft to counter the browns, which many of us obviously know. One good thing about our division is the steelers o-line is practically no more so their pound game is gonna be interesting this year.

[PuppyPuncher]

Oooo scary... a guy who got beat out by Jabar Gaffney. I'm sure our secondary is counting there days.

[exiledraven]

Oooo scary... a guy who got beat out by Jabar Gaffney. I'm sure our secondary is counting there days.

Except for you're forgetting that he put up some nice numbers in Philadelphia with McNabb and is getting added to a receiving core of KWII, Edwards, Joe Juri 6'6"...he's going to be the 3rd or 4th option. I don't like it.

The only "good" thing is that the Browns corner situation is worse with Bodden gone, but if they get Shepard, then the downgrade will be minimal.

Looks good on paper, though I think Rodgers is massively overrated. Someone hide the buffet line.

[dlavin]

yeah the browns are having a very impessive offseason, but they also don't have much of a chance in the draft losing a lot of there picks.

[PuppyPuncher]

Except for you're forgetting that he put up some nice numbers in Philadelphia with McNabb and is getting added to a receiving core of KWII, Edwards, Joe Juri 6'6"...he's going to be the 3rd or 4th option. I don't like it.

The only "good" thing is that the Browns corner situation is worse with Bodden gone, but if they get Shepard, then the downgrade will be minimal.

Looks good on paper, though I think Rodgers is massively overrated. Someone hide the buffet line.

I don't think they can Sheppard, they're down to the 4th round as far as draft goes. If they get Lito Sheppard for a high 4th round pick, I am going to snap.

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

Oooo scary... a guy who got beat out by Jabar Gaffney. I'm sure our secondary is counting there days.

Stall worth is threat every play down field and with braylon edwards being an even bigger deep threat on the other side ,teams are gonna be forced to respect the deep game and anderson already proved he can make the throw which will ultimately open the underneath for joe juri to move the chains and leave the middle open for winslow. plus not to mention winslow is gonna get tons of mismatches, and when teams are forced to play off the line we all know what jamal brings to the table with 6-7 guys in the box. i like the sstallworth move. He was a big reason for moss success in new england because the over the top coverage wasnt there and 2 Db's just isnt enough to cover moss.

Stallworth is more of a distraction to the opposing defense than a legitimate everydown passing threat. Teams have to be accountable for stallworth or they will get beaten deep.

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

I dont care how good the browns become if they dont change their uniforms no one is gonna take them seriously. But they are getting Good and i think the old dukey brown days are just about over for the new and improved cleveland team. With stallworth, Braylond edwards, joe jus2vicious, and kellen winslow the browns are gonna have a serious passing attack this year. And with the resigning of Big Body ted washington and the free agent pick up of DT corey williams (6'4" 313 pounds) from the packers, not to forget willis mcginest the pressure is gonna be on and the run is gonna be haulted.

Ravens need to address the CB position and Offensive line Big time in the draft to counter the browns, which many of us obviously know. One good thing about our division is the steelers o-line is practically no more so their pound game is gonna be interesting this year.

*And they have made a trade for shaun rodgers Dt from dtroit lions 6'4'' 340 pounds

Browns arent playing around anymore they're stepping up in a big way

[Devastat1on]

Stall worth is threat every play down field and with braylon edwards being an even bigger deep threat on the other side ,teams are gonna be forced to respect the deep game and anderson already proved he can make the throw which will ultimately open the underneath for joe juri to move the chains and leave the middle open for winslow. plus not to mention winslow is gonna get tons of mismatches, and when teams are forced to play off the line we all know what jamal brings to the table with 6-7 guys in the box. i like the sstallworth move. He was a big reason for moss success in new england because the over the top coverage wasnt there and 2 Db's just isnt enough to cover moss.

Stallworth is more of a distraction to the opposing defense than a legitimate everydown passing threat. Teams have to be accountable for stallworth or they will get beaten deep.

Anderson hasnt proved anything to me. Anderson played 3 games against a teams that finished with a record above .500. He played two against the steelers, lost them both, and against the seahawks who he beat by 3 points. Not to mention, he couldnt even produce during the pro bowl where the corners are told not to play as hard. Anderson hasnt proved anything to me other than the fact that he can beat bad teams. Cleveland did good this year so next year they'll have a harder schedule. We'll see what he can do with that.

[neepo13]

Hmm, it seems we'll HAVE to get a new corner this year if we want to be able to compete with the Browns this year. With their free agency so far, they're looking like an ever stronger threat for the division championship. Your thoughts?

Call me crazy but I'll bet a ton of money that Browns will be the most overrated team going into next season. Just because you bring in a bunch of big name free agents doesnt mean the team will actually improve. Oakland and Washington comes to mind. I think all these moves will prove that Phil Savage is not a good GM.

[neepo13]

I don't think they can Sheppard, they're down to the 4th round as far as draft goes. If they get Lito Sheppard for a high 4th round pick, I am going to snap.

They could always start trading next years draft picks ala Dan Snyder.

[neepo13]

Except for you're forgetting that he put up some nice numbers in Philadelphia with McNabb and is getting added to a receiving core of KWII, Edwards, Joe Juri 6'6"...he's going to be the 3rd or 4th option. I don't like it.

If you cant put up monster numbers playing across from Randy Moss and Wes Welker with Tom Brady throwing the ball your probably not that good. I wont say that about Stalworth though. I will just say, I think all the injuries are taking its toll on him and the Brownies signed him to a 7 year contract. As injury prone as Stalworth is, this could be very good for us.

[neepo13]

Anderson hasnt proved anything to me. Anderson played 3 games against a teams that finished with a record above .500. He played two against the steelers, lost them both, and against the seahawks who he beat by 3 points. Not to mention, he couldnt even produce during the pro bowl where the corners are told not to play as hard. Anderson hasnt proved anything to me other than the fact that he can beat bad teams. Cleveland did good this year so next year they'll have a harder schedule. We'll see what he can do with that.

Actually they have as soft a schedule as we do. There schedule will only be harder because of the division our division is up against, the AFC south and NFC east. Each division had 3 playoff teams. They get the Bills and Broncos, instead of the Pats and Chargers. Thats a big difference. The Steelers have the hardest schedule in the NFL next year.

[PuppyPuncher]

Anderson hasnt proved anything to me. Anderson played 3 games against a teams that finished with a record above .500. He played two against the steelers, lost them both, and against the seahawks who he beat by 3 points. Not to mention, he couldnt even produce during the pro bowl where the corners are told not to play as hard. Anderson hasnt proved anything to me other than the fact that he can beat bad teams. Cleveland did good this year so next year they'll have a harder schedule. We'll see what he can do with that.

I also agree that Anderson hasn't proven anything. I don't think it's fair though to use the Pro Bowl as an example. It's not taken seriously, and he probably hadn't thrown in a ball in a long time.

Call me crazy but I'll bet a ton of money that Browns will be the most overrated team going into next season. Just because you bring in a bunch of big name free agents doesnt mean the team will actually improve. Oakland and Washington comes to mind. I think all these moves will prove that Phil Savage is not a good GM.

I also feel that way. The AFC North is basically being handed to them. Meanwhile we'll be predicted to go last in the division and have a very realistic shot of winning it.

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

If you cant put up monster numbers playing across from Randy Moss and Wes Welker with Tom Brady throwing the ball your probably not that good. I wont say that about Stalworth though. I will just say, I think all the injuries are taking its toll on him and the Brownies signed him to a 7 year contract. As injury prone as Stalworth is, this could be very good for us.

i think you prvoed stallworths case, when your number 1 wr scores 23 touchdowns and your number 2 makes plays everytime he touches the ball why even look to number 3?

its not like brady was gonna throw equal passes to stallworth and moss

stallworth was normally always the third option. When there was a mismatch he got the ball. Why would brady even look at anyone else when moss is on the same field. Not that stallworth isnt good its just there was no need for brady to look at his number 2/3 when his number one option is always open.

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

Call me crazy but I'll bet a ton of money that Browns will be the most overrated team going into next season.

NEEPO YOUR CRAzY

First off all it wouldnt be the managers fault if the team didnt go anywhere it would be the head coaches burden. 2nd you couldnt ask more out of phil this year he's already brought in 2 DT to help a browns 27th ranked rush defense and improving the 12 ranked receiving team in the league

Cleveland Ranked 8 in overall offense last year and phil savage brought back his star RB who had the 5th most rushing yards and resigned his star QB who had an 82.5 QB rating last year.

If you think the same team from last year that beat the ravens both times they met is gonna be overrated with additional key new players, then next year is gonna be a shocker to you.

If anything the browns will be rated fairly; 10-6 deservingly so, and the ravens will be underrated.

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

Anderson hasnt proved anything to me. Anderson played 3 games against a teams that finished with a record above .500. He played two against the steelers, lost them both, and against the seahawks who he beat by 3 points. Not to mention, he couldnt even produce during the pro bowl where the corners are told not to play as hard. Anderson hasnt proved anything to me other than the fact that he can beat bad teams. Cleveland did good this year so next year they'll have a harder schedule. We'll see what he can do with that.

Anderson doesnt really need to prove anything he landed his big contract now. Anderson just has to play up to par from last year, and one thing i can assure you either he isnt gonna lack making big plays. As far as proving himself with the deep ball he has already shown he can make the throw. This guy will come back next year with a high level of confidence and will continue to get his fuel from the buzz surrounding cleveland

NEVER!! EVERR!! underestimate your opponent. Respect his talent and respect what the browns have done and are going to do next year. Would you rather race a man with 1 leg in the olympics and when the gold medal or race against the very best of the best to prove you truely are the elite of the elite with the gold medal hanging around your neck?

When we beat the browns next year i want people to say "they beat the browns!!" not... "ok, so what? you beat the browns...."

[Corvus]

Just because the browns are throwing money around everywhere for free agents doesn't mean anything yet. Stallworth, Rogers, Williams, they've all shown they can produce good numbers in certain situations but they'd better hope that they do the same for the Browns because they're getting jack as far as talent goes from the draft as it stands right now.

I honestly don't know how well all these trades and signings are going to work out. They all certainly SEEM impressive reading about it, but you never know how things will turn out, we'll see.

In my opinion, they really should have looked to really trying to get Michael Turner to complement Jamal Lewis instead of Stallworth.

[Jamal]

Heres a little RIP to all our CB's......

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

I also feel that way. The AFC North is basically being handed to them. Meanwhile we'll be predicted to go last in the division and have a very realistic shot of winning it.

Keep us under the radar thats fine with me. Less distractions, more focus on our game play and getting better.

Did anyone here watch the superbowl this year?? All that media pressure made the patriots choke. The giants took being looked over as fuel to prove everyone why they are the champions of superbowl 42.

[neepo13]

i think you prvoed stallworths case, when your number 1 wr scores 23 touchdowns and your number 2 makes plays everytime he touches the ball why even look to number 3?

its not like brady was gonna throw equal passes to stallworth and moss

stallworth was normally always the third option. When there was a mismatch he got the ball. Why would brady even look at anyone else when moss is on the same field. Not that stallworth isnt good its just there was no need for brady to look at his number 2/3 when his number one option is always open.

Thats where your wrong. On every play you look for the man thats open. Moss is always double covered and after a while so was Welker. Toward the end of the season, he should have been putting up HOF type numbers but he wasnt.

[neepo13]

NEEPO YOUR CRAzY

First off all it wouldnt be the managers fault if the team didnt go anywhere it would be the head coaches burden. 2nd you couldnt ask more out of phil this year he's already brought in 2 DT to help a browns 27th ranked rush defense and improving the 12 ranked receiving team in the league

Cleveland Ranked 8 in overall offense last year and phil savage brought back his star RB who had the 5th most rushing yards and resigned his star QB who had an 82.5 QB rating last year.

If you think the same team from last year that beat the ravens both times they met is gonna be overrated with additional key new players, then next year is gonna be a shocker to you.

If anything the browns will be rated fairly; 10-6 deservingly so, and the ravens will be underrated.

Shaun Rogers and Corey Williams are hardly help. Yeah, they are an upgrade over what they had before but for what he gave up for them especially Williams he wasnt worth it. Williams and Rogers are both overrated. Rogers because he's so inconsistant that you never what player your gonna get and Williams because he played in a great defense. Its easy to look good when you have two pass rushers and pass rushing linebacker that draws most of the attention of the offensive line and you have two great corners downfield making the QB hold the ball because the WR's are blanket in coverage. Try this on for size the Browns dont pick until the second day of the draft. I dont care who the players are you dont trade away that many picks. Yes, the Browns beat us twice but how many times did they manage to beat the Steelers? They lost to the Bengals. I am not saying we are definitly taking the division next year but I believe that going into next season the Browns will be one of the most overhyped teams in some time.

[Raven07]

i think that with Stallworth coming into Clevland...he will provide that little bit of extra mentorship and overall guidence in which, the other players seem to follow.....every team has a leader and i think that with Stallworth going in there, there will be a inner sense of change abroad....and with Stallworths Added veteran Leadership and the fact that he has been on a Winning team in which has been in teh superbowl time and time again...can only benefit another team that much more.

[bmore187]

Clevelands offense looking very good on paper. We better add a cb in round one of the draft and add depth to our secondary. We also need to get a good pass rush on Anderson if we expect to beat em

[Raven07]

well yea we do need a Good player at the corner back position and in which im dead certain that we will get one in the upcoming NFL draft, the people on NFL network said that, there are some Excellent Quality in the CB's this year, some of which are definately first day picks......though they said that their MIGHT be only 1-2 guys as of right now, that are "first rounders".

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

Shaun Rogers and Corey Williams are hardly help. Yeah, they are an upgrade

? upgrade isnt hardly help? i understand what your saying and to a certain extent i understand the point your trying to make. No they arent gonna be the greatest line maybe not even top 5 line but thats not the role they are being asked to play. they are brought in for 1 main reason and its to stop the run up the middle. which they will do. Rogers and williams dont have to do anything but take up space really. washington 300+ williams 300+ rodgers 340+. thats 1000 lbs between 3 linemen. Not to many rbs wanna run into a wall of mamoth bodies and the ones that do are gonna have to seriously fight to get through. not to mention what it would do to opposing o-linemen by wearing them down and allowing blitzes to make it through easily in the 4th when fatigue sets in at its peak. by having big bodies in front of linebackers it allows you core skill players to make plays. why do you think ray pressured the team to get ngata. it frees the lb's up from getting blocked by big linemen looking to take their heads off. big bodies inside free's up the pass rush on the outide plus opens up inside blitz with different line schemes. browns are not gonna be looked at as 1 of the top 5 teams in the afc in 08 so being overhyped to what extent? overhype meaing the will make the playoffs or have a winning record? i dont think thats being over rated. i think its a fair assessment.

They arent gonna be the team to beat in 08 but they will be amongst a handful of teams you have to seriously prepare for. If teams expect to go into cleveland with the mid set of its the old browns they are gonna be seriously checked in the 1st quarter.

They wont be a quick an agile line like the giants, which really is the new breed of line everyone seeks to build but they are gonna be the oldschool type that beat you down and wears you. Both styles have proved they work in this league. even if rogers and williams and washington dont get the stats they are expected to get their impact on a game will still be priceless. Playing receiver and sometimes tightend i know blocking heavy DT for serval series is tough. it really drains you. 3 quarters of solid effort from big men is great. and the good thing about these moves is the browns have depth and can rotate to give each other rest. the o-line cant rotate so they are faced with block fresh legs every series. Thats tough to face play in and play out

[BrownsFan]

I'll sum up my take on this:

1.) Signing Stallworth helps in the sense that Jurevicus can now move to the slot where he has seemed to have better success with in the past. With Braylon, Jurevicus, KW2 and Lewis, Stallworth doesn't need to be an elite receiver. Average to slightly less than average would work just fine for his role.

2.) Rogers and Williams provide immediate help. Am I sold that they'll solve all of our problems? Not especially right now no. Are they better than what we had? Absolutely yes.

3.) Resigning Anderson was going to happen from the beginning. There's no way in hell a team was giving up a 1st *and* 3rd round draft pick for a QB who had one good year. Personally, I'm still not 100% sold on Anderson and he proved that "for the most part" (key words there), making smart decisions with the football and having a rock-solid OL can make any QB look great. As I quoted from neepo13 in a different thread and I agree with him.. he's not a horrible QB but he isn't the best thing since sliced bread either. As far as the Anderson/Quinn saga.. well, I'd rather have 2 potentially good QBs than none. Been there done that.. it's called the last 8 or 9 seasons.

[Ravens_Pwn12]

he so overrated