Jets In Trouble

[H8R]

I sure see a lot of responses on here from folks peering down from the Ivory Towers... A lot of those thoughts are/would be great in a sterile world. However, this world is far from pure and some atheletes dont play by societies rules ( at least a few bad apples, to be nice). Accountability from both parties involved would be nice. This "women" has made a living off of sex-appeal, yet when its mentioned... OH NOES!!!!!

[H8R]

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My take? Great body, bit of a butterface though.
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[MsMarvel73]

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Hop off the high horse. She dresses like a skank and does so to help her career.... you know it, I know it and she knows it. Then she expects not to get attention? This isn't an office environment, its an NFL locker room and lord knows what happens there.
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As a sexual assault survivor, I have a right to feel the way I do. If that means I'm on a high horse than FINE. Just remember...if it were YOUR woman you'd be just as angry.

Double standard.

[H8R]

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As a sexual assault survivor, I have a right to feel the way I do. If that means I'm on a high horse than FINE. Just remember...if it were YOUR woman you'd be just as angry.

Double standard.
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Actually, you're attempting to speak for me. You have your man-H8r glasses on because of your own misfortunes ( which I'm sorry to hear about, BTW). If my women were to dress in such a way around nlf players ( or any man) she wouldn't be my women unless she dropped the skank apparel. I wouldn't be angry at all because she would have PUT HER SELF in an unsavory situation. Just as you have a right to feel a certain way, so do I.


Next?

[flynismo]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1284400317' post='473731']<br />Actually, you're attempting to speak for me. You have your man-H8r glasses on because of your own misfortunes ( which I'm sorry to hear about, BTW). If my women were to dress in such a way around nlf players ( or any man) she wouldn't be my women unless she dropped the skank apparel.  I wouldn't be angry at all because she would have PUT HER SELF in an unsavory situation. Just as you have a right to feel a certain way, so do I.Next?<br />[/quote]


I really dont see why that is so hard to understand for some people.

[Gtown Purple]

What I want to know is what happened that was inappropriate. OK, they intentionally threw balls near her for people to retrieve. That means we know that players had to go near her to get them. Did they say something inappropriate? Did they touch her? We need more information here.

As far as what she wears it's up to her as long as she follows the standards for her profession/employer. If she's allowed to wear what she wore then fine. Personally I agree with some others that professional dress should be the rule for reporters. It's a job where many eyes are on you and if it was me I'd want to look good as in a suit or whatever. The company I work at requires me to be at least business casual if not better and they have sent people home without pay before. Is she knowingly wore revealing clothing then what does she expect? She's going to get looked at, ogled over, cat called, etc. This stuff happens every day. Face it if you're a woman and you have a large bust guys are going to look at it, if you have a kim kardashian sized behind guys are going to look at it. It's not illegal to look, you are in public. Women do the same thing to hot guys so it's not a one way street.

The fact that FO has gotten involved tells me something happened such as an inappropriate comment but i can't help but wonder if she brought this on herself intentionally knowing the business she's trying to get into. Again, we need for information and are likely not to get it.

[BloodRaven]

She's milking the situation for publicity, I sure didn't know who she was before all this nonsense. I don't believe for one second this "reporter" with her butt implants, body hugging clothes and a budding glamor modelling career is worried about a coach throwing a ball in her direction and a few players calling out.

Please.

[berad]

Alright, Franny already warned this - but this has now gone too far into the grounds of morality and personal feelings.

Closed.

[noy]

[url="http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5568266"]LINK[/url]

I know people are probably cringing at the idea of this thread by viewing how the last one went. I do not object to the idea of this being closed for fear of what it can evolve into, but I thought the other thread was going quite well minus a few comments here or there. Topics like this really show the uniqueness of humanity; that we are all wired the same but have different perspectives on the same experiences. It's not like the day to day football banter we usually have, it's different and more meaningful than that. [u]This may get pretty long for some of you, but bare with me.[/u]

I would say I respect the front office for apologizing to the reporter, but what else were they going to do? It's a pretty predictable move and we'll never know how sincere it was (sincere enough for the limelight? or the victim?).

The real meat of the article comes in the describing of the events that took place. The culprits, go figure, are Rex Ryan and some other coaches and players. It wasn't a stretch to see Rex Ryan having something to do with this, as he coaches like "one of the guys".

Better yet, it has Twitter status updates from the reporter herself. I thought it was terribly funny that she used the word "embarassment" rather than say...threatened, danger, or abused. It actually makes me wonder if she had anything to do with reporting the incident, and if she was coerced into gaining attention for the media outlet instead (nothing but a theory, but the goal of news outlets is to be more popular. Right?) We could speculate all day, but it would be interesting to find out more.

And finally, I would like the chance to defend myself against an attack on my character by Jabara. The thread was locked before I could respond, and I think it is unfair for there to be no rebuttal. To quote...

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"Take off the feminine blinders for a second and think about this objectively;"
- You immediately set it up for one sided, bias thinking, good job.
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Calling somebody out on their own biases does not make me biased. Not sure how you come to that conclusion.

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-"there is no need to think you can pity peoples' beliefs when the argument clearly has no current majority line of thinking."
- What? I think you made that up.
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To simplify my thoughts, there is no majority belief in the argument.

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- "You're defending her because of the history of assault on women, but you fail to realize that some women really do put themselves into harms way."
- The "history of assault on women." You are suggesting there is one, ok, there is, by who? Men? Ok, you are negating the fact that you have a biased view of women, and to continue with "some women really do put themselves into harms way" is very absurd and extremely sexist. What would "harms way" be? Men?
Maybe it's the viewpoint of men that put women in "harms way" and has been evident because of the "history of assault on women" to use your own words.
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So...wait what? You've already categorized me as biased (by misunderstanding my initial statement) and are trying use it as evidence in an attempt to argue against me?... Who cares where the history of assault comes from? What does that have to do with anything? It's fact that women get abused, that was my point. And I don't know why you can't grasp that not all men can control themselves. It's the reason there is rape and violence in the world, and not everybody grew up with a roof over their heads and someone to hold them. Stop being so naive.

You're right, it is the viewpoint of men that has put women in this predicament, and I never said it wasn't. Thanks to a deep history of men dominating the world through economics and various cultures, it has devolved into a train of thought that harms women. How? Well, are women naturally weaker than men? Yes. How important was physical strength in history? Pretty important because it is the easiest characteristic to judge something by (and the reason why humanity has had so many wars). Put the two together and you have a more one-sided relationship. Why do you think women have been breaking through the barrier recently? Because physical strength is becoming less important, and intelligence is at the front of human evolution. The argument could be made that women are leading the way, while men are simply funding it.

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1 - So somehow, while she wasn't having a swimsuit shoot while interviewing the Jets, the fact she had one, to make money, makes her available for harassment, and assault?
At the very best, you again are judging. There is nothing objective about that.
Not to mention, there are a lot of women out there that think they look good, but don't get asked to do a swimsuit shoot.
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I'm not sure where the belief that "judging" shouldn't be used in being objective. The whole point of judging is to weigh the facts and opinions of a case, (the whole point of the American legal system) and come to a conclusion that satisfies the objective. What is the objective here? To find the truth and explain the factors. Again, simplifying my thoughts, judging and bias are the not the same.

Anyway, I was using the swimsuit shoot as evidence of her liking attention. Would a beautiful but shy woman do a shoot like that? Come on now...she'd have to come out of her shell to even attempt something like that. So why is this reporter an attention seeker as opposed to just a one timer. The amount of evidence on her liking the limelight; her clothes, her modeling, even her job being on TV. There's nothing wrong with any of it btw! Nowhere did I say she was a bad woman, only that she did not play this situation smart. Just because I call her out on her lack of tactic [u]does not mean I am defending the actions of the men on the Jets.[/u] The fact that I need to explain that only further shows your rush to wrongful judgment without looking at all possible explanations.

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2 - You suggest, "Men still get horny (there is no universal switch where a man suddenly gets politely horny when he grows up." Seriously, I grew up being able to handle that, and that is part of growing up. It's called maturity. It's called respect. It can be accessed through playful flirtation, and respect and understanding of humanity. Not one sided, nonsense, brodown or throwdown. So saying, "Controlling one's hormones depends on upbringing, and is not universal to all men)"are you saying all men for themselves, no man is responsible for his actions, especially when it becomes a sexual response. .
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No offense, and I really mean that, but you have just shown example as to how America is in trouble in this world. You see an opinion that is "ridiculous" and try to follow it up with evidence based on your own experiences. That is not good. And no, I am not saying someone's upbringing gives a person a lack of responsibility over themselves. Just because people have had a rough childhood does not mean they should allow it to control them. We have a prime example with Michael Oher. But the sad truth is that a lot of people play the victim game because it's the easiest route to take. They allow things to happen to them instead of grasping reality by the balls and saying, "You're my **** now!" To say there are people like that in the NFL is not a guess, because I meet people like that every day of my life; the probability is extremely high.

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3 - "Everyone can agree on this. This reporter is pretty damn ignorant. She comes from Mexico to a testosterone filled environment thinking that she can get away being flirtatious from a distance."
First I'd like to say since you make such a deal of her coming from Mexico meaning she's stupid or something, actually makes you "pretty damn ignorant."
A "testosterone filled environment" is no excuse for being abusive. She didn't do it for fun, it's her job.
"Hey honey, this is America, we are sold the idea of sex on a daily basis, which makes this place a pretty damn horny country. Temptation rules these lands, and some people cant control their will to take it or not."
First of all saying "hey honey" is bad enough, and ending it with "some people can't control their will" is nothing short of insanity. Sexist. Bizarre. Weird.
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Ouch. Well considering you said “or something”, I can make the safe bet that you had no idea what I meant when I spoke about her coming from Mexico, so let me explain myself. Mexico, from my perspective, is a great country. Been there, full of culture and full of great people (minus those kidnappers, that’s just rude…). However, you look on TV and what do you see? Beautiful women everywhere. What can we theorize about the controlling group of Mexican television? They like beautiful women on TV, and it doesn’t matter if they’re acting, dancing, or reporting the news; they think it is the most effective means for profit (thinking from a business standpoint). Now, what group of individuals could possibly be the controlling group? Women or men? Based on the history and current statistics of business ownership (too lazy to do the research myself, but it is out there), we can conclude that men are in control of Mexican television. The only way to argue against that is to do the research, and come out with women being a majority controller over the TV in the country, of which I will say, “I’m moving to Mexico”; women manipulating men on one of the most powerful sources of communication on the planet? And they call this the land of opportunity…

The point being, the reporter is used to flirtations with men from a distance (even through the television). She was pretty ignorant to think she could do it with so many men, and in such close proximity.

My “hey honey” was in poor taste, but was ultimately an exaggeration to emphasize common sense, which I thought this was. My mistake. I used poor communication to deliver my meaning.

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You were not there. You may have fantasized about it in your mind. You might hate women, unless in a swimsuit shoot, but to judge this lady for doing her job. Without a full story, and just rant about how weak and stupid women are, which you have done, is beyond cheap, beyond contradiction, and beyond reason.
Show some respect, show some reason and for everyone's sake, especially women, show some restraint.
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Do you feel like, because I am not in your physical presence, you have the ability to make silly assumptions about what I do in my spare time and not have any consequence? The conclusion to your argument is disgusting, and I feel pretty sorry for you that you have that much hate to share with another human being you know nothing about. You have defined me as hating women, when I love them and have respect for them and what they put up with. But, I do not look through my love blinders on controversial subjects such as this one, like you do. You think that they can do no wrong, and that every sexist act between a man and a woman is purely the man’s fault (it’s the same mentality that many “anti-racists” have today, a hypocritical one). You do them a disservice by not holding them accountable for their actions, because it is only through criticism that people can grow. If the reporter truly felt threatened, the next time she interviews a sports team she will wear “safer” clothes that cover her 10/10 body (Oh no, I love her body, I am a sexist ****, should I go find God now?). If she doesn’t, then we all know this situation was bull**** because she is willing to take the exact same risk again. Too bad we won’t know because the recognition of the station will die along with this story.

And as for the Mods, you guys dropped the ball. You say “play nice” and yet you allow this boy’s hateful rant to stand as it is in calling me a sexist pig. In doing so, you have all made your opinions quite clear; you agree with him. Sad. My respect for all of you has dropped, but at least I know there is one mature, objective character on this board by the name of flynismo. He may not agree with everything I am saying, but I know he speaks his opinions and sticks to his guns. I do not mean to tarnish his name along with mine in mentioning him, we don’t know each other at all. But I wanted to congratulate him on being real.

Go ahead and lock this thread, I know that you like to cuddle the members that are more frequent than others against unwarranted attack (only to now be tested by my accusations against yourselves). My tone has changed drastically because of reading the last paragraph of his argument over and over again in order to destroy it. I’m so shocked you left it up; did any of you even read it? Maybe instead of locking it you should discuss your opinions with me, and why you left it up. I know Franny would, but as for you other mods…I question…

[Moderator 2]

What you don't see are the 6 or 8 posts that have been deleted after several in thread warning and in your OP you come off as a misogynist, explaining where you are coming from in this post helpful but is still going to annoy people. I will merge this with the other thread since you have formed your rebuttal--next time PM a mod.

Actually my gut feeling was to close the thread last night, but because I am female did not want to be accused of "getting my panties in a bunch" by the male posters here.