Jets In Trouble

[H8R]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1284341732' post='473158']
Get off your low horse. Like the guy said, if it was your daughter or wife you would be pissed. Regardless of what the woman is doing or wearing, these guys are supposed to be professionals and should act like it. Not a bunch of horny high school punks.
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My daughter or wife would either know better or deal with the same thing. Somethings can be avoided by being a professional (goes for player and the media). Women have a hard time getting recognized in sports reporting for content of their stories ... usually its their physical appearance. Some women just resort to sex appeal as the only way for a relevant career. If you want to be treated like a classy lady, dress accordingly.

I'm not saying what players do/say are right but some common sense should be used when prancing around like a piece of meat in front of a league of mostly animals.

[noy]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1284333367' post='472964']
Precisely. You guys make me sick.
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Take off the feminine blinders for a second and think about this objectively; there is no need to think you can pity peoples' beliefs when the argument clearly has no current majority line of thinking. You're defending her because of the history of assault on women, but you fail to realize that some women really do put themselves into harms way. The category of assault is not homogenous, there are variables to consider.

1. The guys are right, she dresses for attention. Add this with her swimsuit shoot, and we can make an accurate conclusion that she knows she looks good (duh) and she wants people to know about it.

2. Professionals or not, men are men. Men still get horny (there is no universal switch where a man suddenly gets [i]politely [/i]horny when he grows up. Controlling one's hormones depends on upbringing, and is not universal to all men). Add this to the fact that they play a brutal, violent and otherwise masculine sport, and we can understand some parts of their psyche. Football players like to dominate, and some cant control the decision of whether they should or shouldn't in a given situation. They are used to getting what they want, it's how they got to be great football players. I'm not categorizing all football players and how they act, but there's a good amount of them out there.

3. Everyone can agree on this. This reporter is pretty damn ignorant. She comes from Mexico to a testosterone filled environment thinking that she can get away being flirtatious from a distance. Hey honey, this is America, we are sold the idea of sex on a daily basis, which makes this place a pretty damn horny country. Temptation rules these lands, and some people cant control their will to take it or not.

I'm not saying these are excuses, only theories on the characteristics of this event. Big Ben put himself in t he position to be a horny boy in a restroom, but did these guys put themselves in this situation? No. [i]She [/i]did. What variable could have changed this whole situation? Suitable dress. End of story.

Bottom line is, when you walk into a situation where your attractive looks could affect the mentality of men, of whom you have no idea of their ability to control their hormones (generalized as maturity), then you should [b]do the research to protect yourself (especially in the case of an interview).[/b] Pleading ignorance is not a defense, it's a weakness.

Hope I made sense.

[TreTheRaven]

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1284358616' post='473388']

1. The guys are right, she dresses for attention. Add this with her swimsuit shoot, and we can make an accurate conclusion that she knows she looks good (duh) and she wants people know about it.

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We [b]ALL[/b] dress for attention. Do you really want to go out in public looking like a scrub or looking decent? Besides all of that no one knows what she was dressed like in that locker room. If it was a pair of jeans and men can not control their hormones over that, then society is definitely in trouble.

Like I said earlier, if this was your girlfriend, wife or daughter, you would not remain calm nor take this situation lightly.

[Jabara]

This says it all...


"In a statement, Jets spokesman Bruce Speight said team owner [u]"Woody Johnson"[/u] has spoken with Sainz about what occurred on Saturday."

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

someone just questioned H8R, bad things are on the horizon..

[flynismo]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1284341732' post='473158']<br />Get off your low horse. Like the guy said, if it was your daughter or wife you would be pissed. Regardless of what the woman is doing or wearing, these guys are supposed to be professionals and should act like it. Not a bunch of horny high school punks.<br />[/quote]


I'd be pissed...at my daughter as well as the putz because she would know better than to dress like a tramp. Demand respect, rather than draw attention to your body. She's also supposed to be professional.
Does dressing like a hoebag excuse the actions of others? No. But if she cant take herself seriously why should the scuzzbag hitting on her?

[TreTheRaven]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1284360622' post='473398']
I'd be pissed...at my daughter as well as the putz because she would know better than to dress like a tramp. Demand respect, rather than draw attention to your body. She's also supposed to be professional.
Does dressing like a hoebag excuse the actions of others? No. But if she cant take herself seriously why should the scuzzbag hitting on her?
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Who said she (Ines) was dressed like and I quote from you, a "[i]hoebag[/i]"?

[flynismo]

[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1284360829' post='473399']<br />Who said she (Ines) was dressed like and I quote from you, a &quot;<i>hoebag</i>&quot;?<br />[/quote]


Half the people in this thread.

[TreTheRaven]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1284361337' post='473400']
Half the people in this thread.
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So nobody that was in the locker room, right? Which is basically speculation if I'm correct. All because a bunch of guys Googled her and saw her in some jeans. Yeah, they saw her dressed in a bikini too but it's highly doubtful that she walked in like that. Modeling agencies have a certain way of making people dress. Sports Illustrated, Play Boy ... so on & so forth.

If people are going to start labeling someone a "[i]hoebag[/i]" off of wearing jeans, then society is in trouble. Because almost everyone I know wears jeans. Including myself. I certainly hope that doesn't make me a "[i]hoebag[/i]" as well?

[flynismo]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1284350626' post='473303']<br />My daughter or wife would either know better or deal with the same thing. Somethings can be avoided by being a professional (goes for player and the media). Women have a hard time getting recognized in sports reporting for content of their stories ... usually its their physical appearance. Some women just resort to sex appeal as the only way for a relevant career. If you want to be treated like a classy lady, dress accordingly. <br /><br />I'm not saying what players do/say are right but some common sense should be used when prancing around like a piece of meat in front of a league of mostly animals.<br />[/quote]

Didnt see your response, else I wouldnt have bothered pitching in my .02 because we said nearly word for word the same thing...

[flynismo]

[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1284361655' post='473402']<br />So nobody that was in the locker room, right? Which is basically speculation if I'm correct.  All because a bunch of guys Googled her and saw her in some jeans. Yeah, they saw her dressed in a bikini too but it's highly doubtful that she walked in like that. Modeling agencies have a certain way of making people dress. Sports Illustrated, Play Boy ... so on &amp; so forth.<br /><br />If people are going to start labeling someone a &quot;<i>hoebag</i>&quot; off of wearing jeans, then society is in trouble. Because almost everyone I know wears jeans. Including myself. I certainly hope that doesn't make me a &quot;<i>hoebag</i>&quot; as well?<br />[/quote]


After seeing this link, where her milkbags are hanging out of her dress while interviewing Bertrand Berry, is it really that much of a stretch to make that assumption?

[flynismo]

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/09/nfl-investigating-alleged-harassment-of-female-reporter-in-jets-locker-room/1?csp=usat.me

[TreTheRaven]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1284362301' post='473406']
After seeing this link, where her milkbags are hanging out of her dress while interviewing Bertrand Berry, is it really that much of a stretch to make that assumption?
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Uh, I wouldn't really call that "[i]hanging out[/i]" as opposed to how the image was taken.

That could also be a tank top too. Women do wear tank tops, you know. As well as dresses too.

I guess I should ask since it seems everything is not polite enough to wear. What do you want to see your woman wear? A size 54 jeans? Maybe an XXXL tanktop or tshirt? And turtle necks no matter how hot it is?

Much like myself, Ines is basically from the southwest. Where the temperatures get or average around 100+ degrees starting after March and can last till basically November. Do you really think people around here want to walk around in baggy jeans and hoodies all year round?

[flynismo]

[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1284362786' post='473409']<br />Uh, I wouldn't really call that &quot;<i>hanging out</i>&quot; as opposed to how the image was taken. <br /><br />That could also be a tank top too. Women do wear tank tops, you know. As well as dresses too.<br /><br />I guess I should ask since it seems everything is not polite enough to wear. What do you want to see your woman wear? A size 54 jeans? Maybe an XXXL tanktop or tshirt? And turtle necks no matter how hot it is?<br /><br />Much like myself, Ines is basically from the southwest. Where the temperatures get or average around 100+ degrees starting after March and can last till basically November. Do you really think people around here want to walk around in baggy jeans and hoodies all year round?<br />[/quote]

People also wear shirts that dont reveal everything but your nipples too. What she was wearing was definitely fun to look at, but if she doesn't want me ogleing her jugs, then maybe she could have worn a simple dress shirt or something.
If I can wear a suit everyday in 90+ weather, no reason she cant look a little more professional either.

[Jabara]

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1284358616' post='473388']
Take off the feminine blinders for a second and think about this objectively; there is no need to think you can pity peoples' beliefs when the argument clearly has no current majority line of thinking. You're defending her because of the history of assault on women, but you fail to realize that some women really do put themselves into harms way. The category of assault is not homogenous, there are variables to consider.

1. The guys are right, she dresses for attention. Add this with her swimsuit shoot, and we can make an accurate conclusion that she knows she looks good (duh) and she wants people to know about it.

2. Professionals or not, men are men. Men still get horny (there is no universal switch where a man suddenly gets [i]politely [/i]horny when he grows up. Controlling one's hormones depends on upbringing, and is not universal to all men). Add this to the fact that they play a brutal, violent and otherwise masculine sport, and we can understand some parts of their psyche. Football players like to dominate, and some cant control the decision of whether they should or shouldn't in a given situation. They are used to getting what they want, it's how they got to be great football players. I'm not categorizing all football players and how they act, but there's a good amount of them out there.

3. Everyone can agree on this. This reporter is pretty damn ignorant. She comes from Mexico to a testosterone filled environment thinking that she can get away being flirtatious from a distance. Hey honey, this is America, we are sold the idea of sex on a daily basis, which makes this place a pretty damn horny country. Temptation rules these lands, and some people cant control their will to take it or not.

I'm not saying these are excuses, only theories on the characteristics of this event. Big Ben put himself in t he position to be a horny boy in a restroom, but did these guys put themselves in this situation? No. [i]She [/i]did. What variable could have changed this whole situation? Suitable dress. End of story.

Bottom line is, when you walk into a situation where your attractive looks could affect the mentality of men, of whom you have no idea of their ability to control their hormones (generalized as maturity), then you should [b]do the research to protect yourself (especially in the case of an interview).[/b] Pleading ignorance is not a defense, it's a weakness.

Hope I made sense.
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Thank you! I was wondering how I could respond to all of the crazy talk in this thread, and you basically summed it up. So I'll go by each numbered point you throw out there...
Your preface
[b]
"Take off the feminine blinders for a second and think about this objectively;"[/b]
- You immediately set it up for one sided, bias thinking, good job.

-"there is no need to think you can pity peoples' beliefs when the argument clearly has no [b]current majority line of thinking[/b]."
- What? I think you made that up.

- "You're defending her because of the [b]history of assault on women[/b], but you fail to realize that [b]some women really do put themselves into harms way.[/b]"

- The "history of assault on women." You are suggesting there is one, ok, [i]there is[/i], by who? Men? Ok, you are negating the fact that you have a biased view of women, and to continue with "some women really do put themselves into harms way" is very absurd and extremely sexist. What would "harms way" be? Men?
Maybe it's the viewpoint of men that put women in "harms way" and has been evident because of the "history of assault on women" to use your own words.
Those are your "variables to consider."

1 - So somehow, while she wasn't having a swimsuit shoot while interviewing the Jets, the fact she had one, to make money, makes her available for harassment, and assault? Even if the ones doing that haven't seen the shoot?
At the very best, you again are judging. There is nothing objective about that.
Not to mention, there are a lot of women out there that think they look good, but don't get asked to do a swimsuit shoot. As far as you saying you can draw an accurate conclusion, based of your personal opinion, regardless of fact, is absurd at best.
2 - Saying "men are men" does not by any standard make it right. You suggest, "Men still get horny (there is no universal switch where a man suddenly gets [i]politely [/i]horny when he [b]grows up[/b]." Seriously, I grew up being able to handle that, and that is part of growing up. It's called maturity. It's called respect. It can be accessed through playful flirtation, and respect and understanding of humanity. Not one sided, nonsense, brodown or throwdown. So saying, "Controlling one's hormones depends on upbringing, and is not universal to all men)"are you saying all men for themselves, no man is responsible for his actions, especially when it becomes a sexual response.
Saying football players like to dominate, and you can see into their psyche, I would suggest reading Jung and Freud.
If you have, reread it. As far as football players growing up getting what they want, I'm sure the majority of the Ravens didn't have that, in fact the majority of NFL players didn't have that luxury growing up, quite the opposite.
3 - "Everyone can agree on this. This reporter is pretty damn ignorant. She comes from [b]Mexico[/b] to a testosterone filled environment thinking that she can get away being flirtatious from a distance."
First I'd like to say since you make such a deal of her coming from Mexico meaning she's stupid or something, actually makes you "pretty damn ignorant."
A "testosterone filled environment" is no excuse for being abusive. She didn't do it for fun, it's her job.
"Hey honey, this is America, we are sold the idea of sex on a daily basis, which makes this place a pretty damn horny country. Temptation rules these lands, and [b]some people cant control their will to take it or not[/b]."
First of all saying "hey honey" is bad enough, and ending it with "some people can't control their will" is nothing short of insanity. Sexist. Bizarre. Weird.
Clearly your rant is evidence people can't control themselves, honey.
You close with this gem. "[b]What variable could have changed this whole situation? Suitable dress. End of story.
[/b]"
Maybe the fact that she was working. You have no idea what she was wearing while the assault took place, and even if she was naked it is still not a reason to assault her.
You were not there. You may have fantasized about it in your mind. You might hate women, unless in a swimsuit shoot, but to judge this lady for doing her job. Without a full story, and just rant about how weak and stupid women are, which you have done, is beyond cheap, beyond contradiction, and beyond reason.
Show some respect, show some reason and for everyone's sake, especially women, show some restraint.

[flynismo]

And I'll repeat, I'm not approving the alledged actions of the Jets players. I'm just saying if you want to be treated like a professional, then act the part. In that picture mentioned above, I dont think it was a tasteless outfit. Was quite sexy actually. And thats the whole point of what I am trying to say...dont look sexy, look professional. You can be attractive and professional without showing off your cleavage. For the record, I'm a typical male pig who if it were up to me, all my female employees would look and dress like that...at least at the cocktail parties after work..

[flynismo]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1284363661' post='473413']<br />Thank you! I was wondering how I could respond to all of the crazy talk in this thread, and you basically summed it up. So I'll go by each numbered point you throw out there...<br />Your preface<br /><b><br />&quot;Take off the feminine blinders for a second and think about this objectively;&quot;</b><br /> - You immediately set it up for one sided, bias thinking, good job.<br /><br /> -&quot;there is no need to think you can pity peoples' beliefs when the argument clearly has no <b>current majority line of thinking</b>.&quot; <br /> - What? I think you made that up. <br /> <br />- &quot;You're defending her because of the <b>history of assault on women</b>, but you fail to realize that <b>some women really do put themselves into harms way.</b>&quot; <br /><br />- The &quot;history of assault on women.&quot; You are suggesting there is one, ok, <i>there is</i>, by who? Men? Ok, you are negating the fact that you have a biased view of women, and to continue with &quot;some women really do put themselves into harms way&quot; is very absurd and extremely sexist. What would &quot;harms way&quot; be? Men? <br />Maybe it's the viewpoint of men that put women in &quot;harms way&quot; and has been evident because of the &quot;history of assault on women&quot; to use your own words. <br />Those are your &quot;variables to consider.&quot;<br /><br />1 - So somehow, while she wasn't having a swimsuit shoot while interviewing  the Jets, the fact she had one, to make money, makes her available for harassment, and assault? Even if the ones doing that haven't seen the shoot? <br />At the very best, you again are judging. There is nothing objective about that. <br />Not to mention, there are a lot of women out there that think they look good, but don't get asked to do a swimsuit shoot. As far as you saying you can draw an accurate conclusion, based of your personal opinion, regardless of fact, is absurd at best. <br />2 - Saying &quot;men are men&quot; does not by any standard make it right.  You suggest, &quot;Men still get horny (there is no universal switch where a man suddenly gets <i>politely </i>horny when he <b>grows up</b>.&quot; Seriously, I grew up being able to handle that, and that is part of growing up. It's called maturity. It's called respect. It can be accessed through playful flirtation, and respect and understanding of humanity. Not one sided, nonsense, brodown or throwdown. So saying, &quot;Controlling one's hormones depends on upbringing, and is not universal to all men)&quot;are you saying all men for themselves, no man is responsible for his actions, especially when it becomes a sexual response. <br />Saying football players like to dominate, and you can see into their psyche, I would suggest reading Jung and Freud. <br />If you have, reread it. As far as football players growing up getting what they want, I'm sure the majority of the Ravens didn't have that, in fact the majority of NFL players didn't have that luxury growing up, quite the opposite. <br />3 - &quot;Everyone can agree on this. This reporter is pretty damn ignorant. She comes from <b>Mexico</b> to a testosterone filled environment thinking that she can get away being flirtatious from a distance.&quot;<br />First I'd like to say since you make such a deal of her coming from Mexico meaning she's stupid or something, actually makes you &quot;pretty damn ignorant.&quot;<br />A &quot;testosterone filled environment&quot; is no excuse for being abusive. She didn't do it for fun, it's her job. <br />&quot;Hey honey, this is America, we are sold the idea of sex on a daily basis, which makes this place a pretty damn horny country. Temptation rules these lands, and <b>some people cant control their will to take it or not</b>.&quot;<br />First of all saying &quot;hey honey&quot; is bad enough, and ending it with &quot;some people can't control their will&quot; is nothing short of insanity. Sexist. Bizarre. Weird. <br />Clearly your rant is evidence people can't control themselves, honey.  <br /> You close with this gem. &quot;<b>What variable could have changed this whole situation? Suitable dress. End of story.<br /></b>&quot;<br />Maybe the fact that she was working. You have no idea what she was wearing while the assault took place, and even if she was naked it is still not a reason to assault her. <br />You were not there. You may have fantasized about it in your mind. You might hate women, unless in a swimsuit shoot, but to judge this lady for doing her job. Without a full story, and just rant about how weak and stupid women are, which you have done, is beyond cheap. Beyond contradiction, and beyond reason. <br />Show some respect, show some reason and for everyone's sake, especially women, show some restraint.<br />[/quote]


Wow...I dont even know where to start on this little tirade.

You speak of "not being there, so you dont know what she really wore"? Well, what about the fact that since you weren't there, you dont know if there was really any sort of assault/abuse/harrassment in the first place? That is why we say "alledged". As I'm sure you're well aware, false harrassment charges aren't uncommon.

He clearly didnt make up the fact that there is no consensus in this thread, since so many people are expressing different viewpoints.

And the rest of it is just petty word games....

Ah screw it, it's too late for this, I'm going to bed with my hot, barely dressed gf

[Jabara]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1284364331' post='473415']
Wow...I dont even know where to start on this little tirade.

You speak of "not being there, so you dont know what she really wore"? Well, what about the fact that since you weren't there, you dont know if there was really any sort of assault/abuse/harrassment in the first place? That is why we say "alledged". As I'm sure you're well aware, false harrassment charges aren't uncommon.

He clearly didnt make up the fact that there is no consensus in this thread, since so many people are expressing different viewpoints.

And the rest of it is just petty word games....

Ah screw it, it's too late for this, I'm going to bed with my hot, barely dressed gf
[/quote]
If you read it, I didn't say I wasn't there, I was saying [i]he[/i], wasn't there. Of course I wasn't there as well, none of us were.
If you read the thread, it definitely leans one way, some are expressing different weirdness supporting the same idea.
If respecting humans is "petty word games" than go to bed.
I think your last sentence is just another slogan for the dudes that are hating on women in this thread, can get behind.

P.S. you're the same dude that said her "milkbags" were hanging out of her dress.
You're just looking for positive reinforcement.
Do you teach your daughter about, "hoebags and milkbags?"
You also said, "For the record, I'm a typical male pig..."
Good job, do expect power from that?
Maybe your "hot, barely dressed gf" can teach you how to respect other humans.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1284365629' post='473418']<br />If you read it, I didn't say I wasn't there, I was saying <i>he</i>, wasn't there. Of course I wasn't there as well, none of us were.  <br />If you read the thread, it definitely leans one way, some are expressing different weirdness supporting the same idea. <br />If respecting humans is &quot;petty word games&quot; than go to bed. <br />I think your last sentence is just another slogan for the dudes that are hating on women in this thread, can get behind.<br />[/quote]


I read the thread, I know you said he wasn't there, and my retort is that you werent there either so you dont know anymore than he does. How do you know there was any harrassment? Maybe this is another example of a person surrounded by wealthy people and wants to get paid and make a name for herself in the process?
The fact that about 30-40% of the responses say that "What does she expect?" or something along those lines indicates that there is far from anything resembling a consensus opinion...it indicates that a lot of people disagree with each other.

And lets not play the "respecting humans" card. From what I am gathering, she strikes me as the type who doesn't respect herself or her profession enough to present herself as someone who should be respected, rather than treated as an object of catcalls.

Finally, that's not much of a slogan to rally behind..I'd say something a lot more political and creative than that if I felt the need to rally the troops. But truth is, I really dont care enough to want or need the support/approval of my opinions to do so...I just wanted to jump in bed with my woman. Who, btw, thinks that Ines dresses inappropriately, and called me a dipshiz for arguing with people on the internet over such a dumb topic.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1284365629' post='473418']P.S. you're the same dude that said her &quot;milkbags&quot; were hanging out of her dress. <br />You're just looking for positive reinforcement.<br />Do you teach your daughter about, &quot;hoebags and milkbags?&quot;<br />[/quote]

Here we go with "positive reinforcement" again. What makes you think that I give a crap what you or anyone else thinks about my opinions, or that I need the approval of anyone here?

I dont have a daughter, but I have three boys, and you better believe I'll teach them about these types of women. But if it makes you feel better, I wont be using those particular words.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1284365629' post='473418']You also said, &quot;For the record, I'm a typical male pig...&quot;<br />Good job, do expect power from that?<br />Maybe your &quot;hot, barely dressed gf&quot; can teach you how to respect other humans.<br />[/quote]

Great job on missing the joke and taking it out of context, genius.

And since we're talking like you know me or something, I'll add that I respect those who deserve to be respected.

[Jabara]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1284360622' post='473398']
I'd be pissed...at my daughter as well as the putz because she would know better than to dress like a tramp. Demand respect, rather than draw attention to your body. She's also supposed to be professional.
Does dressing like a hoebag excuse the actions of others? No. But if she cant take herself seriously why should the scuzzbag hitting on her?
[/quote]
By you saying you had a daughter, I assumed you had one.
If you can recklessly speak about having one, good job.
I'm not going to argue this anymore. You proved your point with your sexist comments, and you were consistent with it.
Just because another female says a female is dressed to be getting that type of attention, is not the case.
It's apparent in this country that there is, and always has been, a way to look down on females.
You can't argue that, and you can't suggest that other females aren't held ransom by that same idea.
Nobody is perfect. A cultural consensus, even in this country, doesn't mean it's healthy for humanity.
You don't know that she isn't being asked to dress a certain way, while on the job. That may very well happen, it's even likely because she is a female. If her employers ask her to do that, it's not to be attacked by those she is reporting about, it's for her employers to get money by exposing her in those situations to gain viewership, and sponsorship. It's a common theme, and you're blaming her for doing her job, and even saying males don't need to abide by social norms such as respecting women, no matter what she is being asked/forced to do.

This is getting way off topic.
It's not cool to hate on women.
Learn it. Live it.

[flynismo]

Anyway, its been fun purple brethren, but I'm off to work now...wearing a SUIT today, have to present myself well in the real world...

[flynismo]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1284368676' post='473429']<br />By you saying you had a daughter, I assumed you had one. <br />If you can recklessly speak about having one, good job. <br />I'm not going to argue this anymore. You proved your point with your sexist comments, and you were consistent with it. <br />Just because another female says a female is dressed to be getting that type of attention, is not the case. <br />It's apparent in this country that there is, and always has been, a way to look down on females. <br />You can't argue that, and you can't suggest that other females aren't held ransom by that same idea.<br />Nobody is perfect. A cultural consensus, even in this country, doesn't mean it's healthy for humanity. <br />You don't know that she isn't being asked to dress a certain way, while on the job. That may very well happen, it's even likely because she is a female. If her employers ask her to do that, it's not to be attacked by those she is reporting about, it's for her employers to get money by exposing her in those situations to gain viewership, and sponsorship. It's a common theme, and you're blaming her for doing her job, and even saying males don't need to abide by social norms such as respecting women, no matter what she is being asked/forced to do. <br /><br />This is getting way off topic. <br />It's not cool to hate on women. <br />Learn it. Live it.<br />[/quote]

[i]<Play nice, please>[/i]

First off, I'm not sexist just because I dont share your sheltered view of the world. Furthermore, none of my comments were sexist.

Secondly, your responses are hypocritical. First you harp on us because we say she was probably dressed like a tramp, now you're saying it's possible and even probable that she did.

Third of all, just because you fail to comprehend what was said, and take everything out of context to suit your preconceived notions, doesn't mean I hate woman.

Finally, WTH does "speaking recklessly about having a daughter" mean? Well, other than it shows that you have no idea what rhetoric means, I have no clue what you are trying to say.

That's all. I've wasted enough time justifying myself to you.

[theFRANCHISE]

Alright, this debate is getting a little too snippy. Let's please try to keep it focused on the topic at hand, rather than our personal standards of appropriateness or morality.

Here's my take: a female reporter was allegedly harassed by Jets players. We don't know exactly what happened, but circumstances almost seem to indicate that her accusations could have a level of truth, given that the Jets owner went out of his way to tell the accuser and the accused that this is not acceptable behavior.

As it seems, many of us agree that her attire was not appropriate for a professional setting; after all, male reporters are encouraged to wear suits or at least polo shirts and slacks even in hot conditions, with an eye for conservative taste when dressing casually or business-casual. The female reporter likely should have exercised better judgment, as this is the same reporter who had worn a revealing wedding dress during Media Day at the Super Bowl in 2007 and proposed to Tom Brady. There's a good chance that she was deliberate in her attire, and the standards of professional attire are not bound by borders in global media

That said, she also should not have to bear complete blame for the Jets' alleged behavior, as they reportedly acted as if they had not been around an attractive woman before.

Misconduct is misconduct regardless of the setting and circumstance. An attention-seeker may attract unwanted attention, but there is no excuse for any wrongdoing that may follow, regardless of the perceived culpability of the victim. If there is always an option to do right or wrong, a person choosing to do wrong will always be in the wrong, even if the victim was "asking" for it. To indicate otherwise would be to remove any measure of blame from the accused and absolve them of any wrongdoing.

[PuRock]

She herself twit pic what she wore to Jets camp.

[url="http://twitpic.com/2nu00w"]My link[/url]

The Yankees a few years back, had to ask a reporter to leave because what she was wearing was deemed "inappropriate", and they wanted to stop any such issues before it started.

Would think it would be a good thing to do, especially in a male dominated sport. Ofcourse if you do that, then she'd probably yelp something else.

105.7 made some good points this morning. She apparently also has this new "rumor" website she wants to start. This could be something to help get her in the national spotlight. I'm sure this isn't the first time she's had cat calls, why the Jets?

[jetsknicks1]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1284389537' post='473538']
She herself twit pic what she wore to Jets camp.

[url="http://twitpic.com/2nu00w"]My link[/url]

The Yankees a few years back, had to ask a reporter to leave because what she was wearing was deemed "inappropriate", and they wanted to stop any such issues before it started.

Would think it would be a good thing to do, especially in a male dominated sport. Ofcourse if you do that, then she'd probably yelp something else.

105.7 made some good points this morning. She apparently also has this new "rumor" website she wants to start. This could be something to help get her in the national spotlight. I'm sure this isn't the first time she's had cat calls, why the Jets?
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It does seem as though she's planning to use this to get her name out there. I do want to be clear on one thing. Even though I am a big Jets fan, if this turns out to be true, than the players/coaches who were responsible should be diciplined. Women deserve to be treated better than that.

But.......... Just because she says it happened doesn't make it so. And if she provoked something to happen in an effort to increase her noteriety(sp), she should be held accountable as well.

[PuRock]

[quote name='jetsknicks1' timestamp='1284392052' post='473569']
It does seem as though she's planning to use this to get her name out there. I do want to be clear on one thing. Even though I am a big Jets fan, if this turns out to be true, than the players/coaches who were responsible should be diciplined. Women deserve to be treated better than that.

But.......... Just because she says it happened doesn't make it so. And if she provoked something to happen in an effort to increase her noteriety(sp), she should be held accountable as well.
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I agree. It shouldn't happen period. What she wears or how she looks doesn't mean she can be treated in such a negative way. But in the same hand what she wears and how she looks around a bunch of young alpha males, something like this doesn't surprise me.

Learn to mitigate this from happening.

[H8R]

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someone just questioned H8R, bad things are on the horizon..
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you figure they'd know better ...BY NOW. LOL. The avatar may just be a self-portrait. : )

[BloodRaven]

My take? Great body, bit of a butterface though.