Interesting Analysis Of Raven's New Offense

[hawkprey]

I didn't see this on the Ravens site, but it should be worth a read.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a55dd9/article/in-terms-of-predicting-success-11-seems-to-be-magic-number"]Article[/url]

Pat Kirwan explains the magic "11" offense and why we now have the personnel to execute it.
I haven't heard any of this before, so it gives me even more reason to believe the Ravens could be prolific in the passing game. Basically, the teams that use this 1RB, 1TE formation the most tend to do the best on offense because they create so many matchup problems.

[DrMoonTooth]

Very interesting article and analysis. Nice to see Kirwan give us the #3 spot. We definitely fit the qualifications for the "11" personnel perfectly as far as talent is concerned. When Stallworth returns, our "Z" will be even more effective.

[The Raven]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1284253073' post='472097']
I didn't see this on the Ravens site, but it should be worth a read.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a55dd9/article/in-terms-of-predicting-success-11-seems-to-be-magic-number"]Article[/url]

Pat Kirwan explains the magic "11" offense and why we now have the personnel to execute it.
I haven't heard any of this before, so it gives me even more reason to believe the Ravens could be prolific in the passing game. Basically, the teams that use this 1RB, 1TE formation the most tend to do the best on offense because they create so many matchup problems.
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I agree, the "11" offense is something we should see more of this year. We could probly create even more mismatches with the use of our TEs. However, using this offense takes McClain, and/or a tight end off the field. McClain was a huge part of the team last year, and should remain important this year as well. Ed Dickson, and Dennis Pitta should contribute a lot as well, and this would take them off the field. But we should definately throw this offense in the mix.

[organizedchaos007]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1284253073' post='472097']
I didn't see this on the Ravens site, but it should be worth a read.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a55dd9/article/in-terms-of-predicting-success-11-seems-to-be-magic-number"]Article[/url]

Pat Kirwan explains the magic "11" offense and why we now have the personnel to execute it.
I haven't heard any of this before, so it gives me even more reason to believe the Ravens could be prolific in the passing game. Basically, the teams that use this 1RB, 1TE formation the most tend to do the best on offense because they create so many matchup problems.
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We have been one of the top offenses in the league the past 2 years running "11" personnel. Lemme give you a breakdown real quick.

00= 0 backs, 0 TE's (5 linemen, QB, 5 WR)
01= 0 backs, 1 TE
02= 0 backs, 2 TE
10= 1 back, 0 TE
11= 1 back, 1 TE
12= 1 back, 2 TE (another good personnel group)
13= 1 back, 3 TE
20= 2 backs, 0 TE
21= 2 backs, 1 TE
22= 2 backs, 2 TE
23= 2 backs, 3 TE

This is not really anything new, there are a handful of teams in the nfl who are very successful in this personnel. The main concept behind it is matchup problems, that are created because of the demand for respect of the RUN & PASS. Out of this formation, the potential for the TE to be a blocker on a run play has to be respected, as well as the possibility for that same TE, AND RB to be outlet receivers. It basically makes a defense stay in a "base" defense, instead of bringing in certain defenders best suited for a run or pass situation.

Pat Kirwin has huge knowledge, I listen to him everyday on sirius radio, and have his book (INCREDIBLE read) .... for all those that really wanna get the fine details of football down.

I think our 12 personnel with dickson will be just as potent as our 11 personnel. Having 2 TEs that you dont know if they will block or run out for a pass, severely limit what a defense can do.

[The Raven]

[quote name='organizedchaos007' timestamp='1284254497' post='472109']
We have been one of the top offenses in the league the past 2 years running "11" personnel. Lemme give you a breakdown real quick.

00= 0 backs, 0 TE's (5 linemen, QB, 5 WR)
01= 0 backs, 1 TE
02= 0 backs, 2 TE
10= 1 back, 0 TE
11= 1 back, 1 TE
12= 1 back, 2 TE (another good personnel group)
13= 1 back, 3 TE
20= 2 backs, 0 TE
21= 2 backs, 1 TE
22= 2 backs, 2 TE
23= 2 backs, 3 TE

This is not really anything new, there are a handful of teams in the nfl who are very successful in this personnel. The main concept behind it is matchup problems, that are created because of the demand for respect of the RUN & PASS. Out of this formation, the potential for the TE to be a blocker on a run play has to be respected, as well as the possibility for that same TE, AND RB to be outlet receivers. It basically makes a defense stay in a "base" defense, instead of bringing in certain defenders best suited for a run or pass situation.

Pat Kirwin has huge knowledge, I listen to him everyday on sirius radio, and have his book (INCREDIBLE read) .... for all those that really wanna get the fine details of football down.

I think our 12 personnel with dickson will be just as potent as our 11 personnel. Having 2 TEs that you dont know if they will block or run out for a pass, severely limit what a defense can do.
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Thanks for breakin that down. I also think in addition to the 11, and 12, I tink we should mix in a lot of 13, and 22. We really have too many weapons this year, I have no idea what offense we should use most.

[DrMoonTooth]

Haha...I saw where K-Dog left the first comment on this article.

[Ravenmore74]

Basically, what happens when Ravens offense is comparable to Ravens defense. The Pats look at us like wow we was you like 6 years ago but we old and in the NFL old is not gold...

[organizedchaos007]

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Basically, what happens when Ravens offense is comparable to Ravens defense. The Pats look at us like wow we was you like 6 years ago but we old and in the NFL old is not gold...
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you lost me at basically.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' timestamp='1284258203' post='472144']
Basically, what happens when Ravens offense is comparable to Ravens defense. The Pats look at us like wow we was you like 6 years ago but we old and in the NFL old is not gold...
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I want what you're having!

[organizedchaos007]

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I want what you're having!
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i second that emotion lol

[Jabara]

That was a very interesting article. I'd like to pick up his book to learn a bit more.
As long as we can execute the 11 successfully, and do so frequently we're gonna see something this year we really haven't seen from the Ravens.
As far as defense is concerned, what is the most successful way to defend the 11?

[DMT]

Great Find

[organizedchaos007]

Well the idea would be to pick your poison, would you rather be beat by the run or the pass? Most teams would chose to keep as little CBs on defense to defend it(which in this case would be the nickel--- 3 CB), you dont want to bring out a dime package with smaller CBs because if its a run play or (audibled into a run), you wanna have bigger defenders i.e. safeties or another linebacker. BUT, the key is if your in the nickel, you better have a safety that can cover that TE, or a big LB with good speed.

There really isnt a "best" defense to defend it, it totally is based on what players you have on your defense.

[organizedchaos007]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1284267482' post='472222']
That was a very interesting article. I'd like to pick up his book to learn a bit more.
As long as we can execute the 11 successfully, and do so frequently we're gonna see something this year we really haven't seen from the Ravens.
As far as defense is concerned, what is the most successful way to defend the 11?
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Btw, its a really good book, havent been able to put it down. I'm reading it for the second time. It breaks down everything from personnel groupings, to blocking schemes, to telling you what a specific play call is, to WR routes and QB's and receivers being on the same page when reading defenses, to the makeup of certain blitzes like the "fire zone", to understanding what reads a running back makes to determine which side of a block to run to (you read your blockers helmet, if his helmet is inside the defender, you run inside, if its outside you run outside. He explains secondary coverages and LB coverages (if a CB's hips are to the sideline and facing the QB at the snap of the ball (its zone defense). I could go on and on, and i'm not trying to promote his book or anything, but honestly.... this is the CLOSEST you will get to understanding what coaches and players know.

[Jabara]

The other night, after reading this I was watching some show with Jaws and he actually touched on this topic to a degree. He was speaking on 3 WR sets, and actually used, of course, the Jets defense as a way to stop, if not pressure the offense by using a specific type of blitz.
He called it something which I can't remember and he claims he named, but it's true name is only know to Rex, I believe.
Basically the idea is to overwhelm the position being blitzed with numerous players blitzing the same spot, one right behind the other.
The thing is, while that will lead to a rushed pass, it also tends to leave an extra spot open.
This will be an amazing test for Flacco, to see if he can get the ball out quickly and productively. Basically it seems like Rex will overload the right side, since it appears to be a weakness we currently have. We'll need to put extra protection on that side and that could limit our ability to execute the 11. Wouldn't this also work against Rice running to the right side? Maybe we'll see McClain more.
Anyway, we can't predict what will happen.
The more you learn the more interesting and intense it is, and when it translates to say, a 5 second play, it's truly an amazing game.
Can't wait for 7pm!!!

[i82much]

Great article, short and very clear. Reading between the lines, it's no wonder that smart, accurate QB's with a quick release often succeed whereas strong-armed gunslingers sometimes come up short. If you can get to the line, read the D, and get the ball off quickly, you don't need a cannon.

Also just goes to show you why "shutdown" corners are so valuable. If you have a corner you can really leave alone against a #1 receiver, that's a safety who can come up in run support, blitz, etc.

[ravensfan160]

The Patriots showed that the Bengal defense is very vulneralbe the the 11 offense. That should make our week two matchup interesting as well.

[Elmo]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1284267482' post='472222']
That was a very interesting article. I'd like to pick up his book to learn a bit more.
As long as we can execute the 11 successfully, and do so frequently we're gonna see something this year we really haven't seen from the Ravens.
As far as defense is concerned, what is the most successful way to defend the 11?
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The best way to defend it, is to win one-on-one match-ups... And that's why premier pash-rushers on the d-line and shutdown corners, as mentioned above, are so valuable to teams. Not to mention the ability to take on double teams

[Clutch Ravens]

Makes you wonder why most of his NFL.com articles are garbage.

He can produce really good stuff when he's trying.