Who Had 2009's (Real) Best Pass Defense?

[hawkprey]

Now that Revis is back, it looks like the Jets have the secondary to fear. Ours on the other hand, is suspect and will probably cost us a Superbowl. Sound familiar? Well it's not exactly true. And so, I take you back to week 7. Opponent? No one.

The team's defense in general had a major revelation during the bye week. It seemed the team finally meshed with new defensive coordinator Greg Mattinson after an opening-play sack by JJ in Week 8. And they did. In fact, they gave up a statistically significant 30% fewer yards from then on.

After the bye week, the Ravens gave up only 180.4 yards/game in the air, as opposed to the 257.7 per game before that. This would rank them second in the NFL next to these teams:

Jets = 154.1 yds/game
Ravens = 180.4 yds/game
Broncos = 200.9 yds/game
Bills = 202 yds/game
Panthers = 225.7 yds/game

But the schedules were drastically different. Here are the average yards/game of the OPPONENTS played by each team FOR THE LAST 10 GAMES:

Jets = 196.1 yards/game*
Bills = 197.5 yards/game**
Panthers = 216.1 yards/game
Ravens = 233 yards/game
Broncos = 243.1 yards/game

*By the way, for purists, I had to adjust this number for the fact that the Jets played Curtis Painter for a half and the Bengals who "gave up on purpose". It's only fair.
**Them too.

When you factor for strength of passing, here's what the stats look like:

[u]Rank (For last 10 games of year):[/u]
Bills = (202-197.5)/197.5 = .0228 = +2.28%
Panthers = (225.7-216.1)/216.1 = .0444 = +4.44%
Broncos = (200.9-243.1)/243.1 = -.174 = -17.4%
Jets = (154.1-196.1)/196.1 = -.214 = -21.4%
Ravens = (180.4-233)/233 = -.225 = -22.5%


As you can see, the Jets reduced opponents offenses by 21.4% of their average capacity, whereas the Ravens reduced opponents by 22.5%. Now, since I changed this for the last 10 games, and had to take off x amount of yards for the Bills and Jets "gifts" at the end of the year, and the scores are close enough, why don't we just call it a tie for first between the Jets and Ravens? The point is our pass D does not stink.

[Bltravens]

I knew there was a reason for taking algebra in high school.....to figure out pass defenses in the NFL in correlation with their opponents actual passing attacks! Well done though.

[jetsknicks1]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1283879938' post='468330']
Now that Revis is back, it looks like the Jets have the secondary to fear. Ours on the other hand, is suspect and will probably cost us a Superbowl. Sound familiar? Well it's not exactly true. And so, I take you back to week 7. Opponent? No one.

The team's defense in general had a major revelation during the bye week. It seemed the team finally meshed with new defensive coordinator Greg Mattinson after an opening-play sack by JJ in Week 8. And they did. In fact, they gave up a statistically significant 30% fewer yards from then on.

After the bye week, the Ravens gave up only 180.4 yards/game in the air, as opposed to the 257.7 per game before that. This would rank them second in the NFL next to these teams:

Jets = 153.7 yds/game
[i]Ravens = 180.4 yds/game (weeks 8-17)[/i]
Bills = 184.3 yds/game
Broncos = 186.3 yds/game
Panthers = 191.0 yds/game
...
...
[i]Ravens: 257.7 yds/game (weeks 1-6)[/i]

But the schedules were drastically different. Here are the average yards/game of the OPPONENTS played by each team:

Jets = 196.8 yards/game
Bills = 203 yards/game
Ravens = 233 yards/game
Panthers = 240.4 yards/game
Broncos = 245.9 yards/game

When you factor for strength of passing, here's what the stats look like:

Rank:
5) Bills = (184.3-203)/203 = -.092 = -9.2%
4) Panthers = (191.0-240.4)/240.4 = -.205 = -20.5%
3) Jets = (153.7-196.8)/196.8 = -.219 = -21.9%
2) Ravens = (180.4-233)/233 = -.225 = -22.5%
1) Broncos = (186.3-245.9)/245.9 = -.242 = -24.2%

As you can see, the Jets reduced opponents offenses by 21.9% of their average capacity, whereas the Ravens reduced opponents by 22.5%. Based on the final stat, I’ll give the Broncos with the best pass D for playing a very difficult schedule from a secondary’s standpoint, with the Ravens post-bye stretch second and Jets third.

(Remember that during most of this time, the Raven's starting CB's were Foxworth, Carr, and Frank Walker.)


Now that we got that out of the way, the big question for Monday is how do the Jets prepare for our secondary?
[/quote]

Wow, that's alot of work to find a way to say the Ravens pass D was better than the Jets.
You can't just dismiss the first 7 games because you don't like the stats.
How about we just play tye game on Monday and see what happens?

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='jetsknicks1' timestamp='1283885205' post='468402']
Wow, that's alot of work to find a way to say the Ravens pass D was better than the Jets.
You can't just dismiss the first 7 games because you don't like the stats.
How about we just play tye game on Monday and see what happens?
[/quote]
He was comparing after our bye week.. to see what it was like.... cause it is true... we were (and still possibly might be) going through growing pains w/ the Defensive Coordinator

[hawkprey]

[quote name='jetsknicks1' timestamp='1283885205' post='468402']
Wow, that's alot of work to find a way to say the Ravens pass D was better than the Jets.
You can't just dismiss the first 7 games because you don't like the stats.
How about we just play tye game on Monday and see what happens?
[/quote]

The key words are "statistically significant". That means the D performed so much better after the bye to separate it into a new category.


I'm not sure why this had to be moved form Ravens talk. It's really a Ravens-centric argument.

[berad]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1283888202' post='468447']
[b]The key words are "statistically significant". That means the D performed so much better after the bye to separate it into a new category. [/b]


I'm not sure why this had to be moved form Ravens talk. It's really a Ravens-centric argument.
[/quote]

Someone's been playing in their statistics class!

And sorry for the move, didn't see the ending, I thought it was more of just pass D's around the NFL.. I'll put it back

[ravensdfan]

Oh Man! Where were you last season when I was arguing with our opponents' fans and trying to explain exactly how well the Ravens' secondary had to be performing to move from 24th rank to 8th? At least now I have them for this season. Thanks!

[Bltravens]

[quote name='jetsknicks1' timestamp='1283885205' post='468402']
Wow, that's alot of work to find a way to say the Ravens pass D was better than the Jets.
You can't just dismiss the first 7 games because you don't like the stats.
How about we just play tye game on Monday and see what happens?
[/quote]
He kept it all relative with all 5 teams after week 7. Its encouraging news even though most of us knew our secondary was coming together after the bye week last year...you dont know how badly we were trippin balls for the first 5 weeks of the season man lol.

[ravens9273]

I remember seeing on NFL network at the end of last year that the Ravens finished the season with the best defense.
We were ranked 3rd overall because of a poor start. Jets were 1 throughout the whole year stats but at the second half of the season the Ravens were the best defense.
Many are saying our D is falling off etc.... yet they do not realize they were the strongest D at the end of the season. Even then we had the injury issues.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1283889030' post='468458']
[b]He kept it all relative with all 5 teams after week 7.[/b] Its encouraging news even though most of us knew our secondary was coming together after the bye week last year...you dont know how badly we were trippin balls for the first 5 weeks of the season man lol.
[/quote]
...ehhhh actually I didn't. But the other teams were consistent while we clearly had two halves to our year.

[lowrider]

Well those stats don't include the addition of cromartie as a number 2 cb for the Jets, and the loss of Foxworth. Kind of important details.

[Twoo]

Is it time I pass on my crown as baltimoreravens.com stat master? I think so...

[Ravnet]

Our secondary is still really bad at this point, but a legendary post to be sure.

[SnOoPy]

Nice work!

[PuRock]

Is this some sort of homework assignment that I'm suppose to complete? Which one is Train A and Train B?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravnet' timestamp='1283891577' post='468487']
Our secondary is still really bad at this point, but a legendary post to be sure.
[/quote]

No one has played a game yet. We don't know how bad(or good) they'll be yet.

[JEEPercreepermd]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1283879938' post='468330']
Now that Revis is back, it looks like the Jets have the secondary to fear. Ours on the other hand, is suspect and will probably cost us a Superbowl. Sound familiar? Well it's not exactly true. And so, I take you back to week 7. Opponent? No one.

The team's defense in general had a major revelation during the bye week. It seemed the team finally meshed with new defensive coordinator Greg Mattinson after an opening-play sack by JJ in Week 8. And they did. In fact, they gave up a statistically significant 30% fewer yards from then on.

After the bye week, the Ravens gave up only 180.4 yards/game in the air, as opposed to the 257.7 per game before that. This would rank them second in the NFL next to these teams:

Jets = 153.7 yds/game
[i]Ravens = 180.4 yds/game (weeks 8-17)[/i]
Bills = 184.3 yds/game
Broncos = 186.3 yds/game
Panthers = 191.0 yds/game
...
...
[i]Ravens: 257.7 yds/game (weeks 1-6)[/i]

But the schedules were drastically different. Here are the average yards/game of the OPPONENTS played by each team:

Jets = 196.8 yards/game
Bills = 203 yards/game
Ravens = 233 yards/game
Panthers = 240.4 yards/game
Broncos = 245.9 yards/game

When you factor for strength of passing, here's what the stats look like:

Rank:
5) Bills = (184.3-203)/203 = -.092 = -9.2%
4) Panthers = (191.0-240.4)/240.4 = -.205 = -20.5%
3) Jets = (153.7-196.8)/196.8 = -.219 = -21.9%
2) Ravens = (180.4-233)/233 = -.225 = -22.5%
1) Broncos = (186.3-245.9)/245.9 = -.242 = -24.2%

As you can see, the Jets reduced opponents offenses by 21.9% of their average capacity, whereas the Ravens reduced opponents by 22.5%. Based on the final stat, I’ll give the Broncos with the best pass D for playing a very difficult schedule from a secondary’s standpoint, with the Ravens post-bye stretch second and Jets third.

(Remember that during most of this time, the Raven's starting CB's were Foxworth, Carr, and Frank Walker.)


Now that we got that out of the way, the big question for Monday is how do the Jets prepare for our secondary?
[/quote]
Hall of fame post right there my friend. Nice work!

[scrock]

[quote name='Reddawn36' timestamp='1283885632' post='468407']
He was comparing after our bye week.. to see what it was like.... cause it is true... we were (and still possibly might be) going through growing pains w/ the Defensive Coordinator
[/quote]

Honestly, I've never been thrilled with Mattisson(sp?) just getting promoted to defensive coach. It seems like he just doesn't have that IT factor like Rex, Lewis, and Nolan did. Maybe I'm wrong..I hope I am...

[purple.n.black]

Great work

[thewarden86]

Now use that same breakdown of the 2000 Ravens defense. I swear you guys don't miss a trick to finagle the stats in your favor.

Forgive my intrusion but, THAT'S NOT FOOTBALL!


Neg away..

[ooo sugahhh 52]

i could care less about pass stat. there is only one defensive stat i care about and thats points scored against. dont feel like looking those stats up but i know that we did pretty good at it last year

[Jabara]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1283893080' post='468517']
Honestly, I've never been thrilled with Mattisson(sp?) just getting promoted to defensive coach. It seems like he just doesn't have that IT factor like Rex, Lewis, and Nolan did. Maybe I'm wrong..I hope I am...
[/quote]
I hope you are wrong as well, and I [i]think[/i] you are.
But I'm only basing that on interviews I've watched with Mattison and judging his character, not to mention Ravens games.
He speaks with a lot of knowledge and seems quite old school, whether that translates on to the field, we'll have to continue and see. I mean old school in the sense that he's more laid back in a sense, simple if you will (that's a good quality to have). He's got a year under his belt, and he knows who on this team can do what.
He's not a flashy guy with play calling, nor is he in personality.
He seems to know how to make in game adjustments as well.
I'm not sure he would have gotten the job if he isn't good at what he does. [b]Defense[/b] is a big deal around here.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1283890140' post='468470']
...ehhhh actually I didn't. But the other teams were consistent while we clearly had two halves to our year.
[/quote]
You didnt lol, I thought thats what the whole stat line was about....well im sorry but im not as impressed now considering you skewed it in our favor lol.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1283900171' post='468628']


Now use that same breakdown of the 2000 Ravens defense. I swear you guys don't miss a trick to finagle the stats in your favor.

Forgive my intrusion but, THAT'S NOT FOOTBALL!


Neg away..
[/quote]
Dont hate because we had the single season best defense ever !

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1283906710' post='468731']
Dont hate because we had the single season best defense ever !
[/quote]

I'd change my name to H8R, but it's taken. lol

[MagicianCamille]

I'm a Ravens fan and I have to say, this is just silly.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1283906625' post='468727']
You didnt lol, I thought thats what the whole stat line was about....well im sorry but im not as impressed now considering you skewed it in our favor lol.
[/quote]

Actually if you do the other teams for their last 10 games we look even better. I did it just now. Don't ask for anything else please.

[Defence_Is_Salvation]

New system blues...but in the back half of the season we excelled.

[AlaskanRavensFan]

[quote name='ravens9273' timestamp='1283889195' post='468459']
I remember seeing on NFL network at the end of last year that the Ravens finished the season with the best defense.
We were ranked 3rd overall because of a poor start. Jets were 1 throughout the whole year stats but at the second half of the season the Ravens were the best defense.
Many are saying our D is falling off etc.... yet they do not realize they were the strongest D at the end of the season. Even then we had the injury issues.
[/quote]

My thoughts exactly. We lost Webb and Washington and were starting Carr, Walker and Foxworth at corner! Anyone who thinks our pass defense was garbage last year needs to watch the Pats game in the WC round of the playoffs last year. Even Walker was knockin' people out.

Oh, and the next game we held the colts to 20. How did many points did the Jets allow against the colts? (rhetorical)







[size="5"]30! [/size]

[AlaskanRavensFan]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1283907809' post='468765']
I'm a Ravens fan and I have to say, this is just silly.
[/quote]

Yes, but I'm a teacher and I will always applaud the use of math in REAL LIFE.

(mostly because my students say, "people don't have to use math in their real life")

which also raises the question: Real life as opposed to what?