No One Can Make Excuses For The Offense

[I AM LEGEND]

Is it so unbelievable that some FANS may think Flacco still has to earn this title as our Franchise QB...meanwhile so many of you are so ready to have him start for the next 15 years...

Have we been that deprived of decent QB play that you guys are willing to look at what Flacco has done and say to yourselves..."yes this is what the Ravens need for the next 10-15 years."

Because all I've seen is a young QB that has had his ups and downs...Nothing that makes him untouchable and or franchise QB for years to come...as a matter of fact Joe has the "this is too much for me" look plenty of times..that's one of those looks Franchise QBs don't have...

Flacco is not making excuses...you guys are..

He was hurt

Look at his Wrs

He's only in his 3rd year...give him another 25 years to adjust..lol


Sorry guys not everybody is as keen to keeping Flacco around forever...IF and I repeat IF he doesn't get better.

And not "statistically" better but overall BETTER.


We need a big boy QB for this Big Boy team...no more babying..I concur that if doesn't get it this year..we should start looking at other options

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1283828956' post='467890']
No excuses this year, period. Although the O line play is not something under Flacco's control, the line itself has no excuses in the world if they don't protect him.

But also, this isn't only Flacco's team. I think there's a considerable difference between being a main contributor and carrying the team. FLACCO will not win games, nor will he get us to the playoffs. The Ravens will get themselves there, no excuses whatsoever. I hate excuses, none are acceptable in my book. Because no matter what the situation or who gets injured or how "bad" the officiating is when we take the field, the ultimate goal is the same...winning the Super Bowl.
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Flacco will eventually have to win this team a BIG game in the playoffs.

[flynismo]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1283831943' post='467934']<br />Is it so unbelievable that some FANS may think Flacco still has to earn this title as our Franchise QB...meanwhile so many of you are so ready to have him start for the next 15 years...<br /><br />Have we been that deprived of decent QB play that you guys are willing to look at what Flacco has done and say to yourselves...&quot;yes this is what the Ravens need for the next 10-15 years.&quot;<br /><br />Because all I've seen is a young QB that has had his ups and downs...Nothing that makes him untouchable and or franchise QB for years to come...as a matter of fact Joe has the &quot;this is too much for me&quot; look plenty of times..that's one of those looks Franchise QBs don't have...<br /><br />Flacco is not making excuses...you guys are..<br /><br />He was hurt<br /><br />Look at his Wrs<br /><br />He's only in his 3rd year...give him another 25 years to adjust..lol<br /><br /><br />Sorry guys not everybody is as keen to keeping Flacco around forever...IF and I repeat IF he doesn't get better.<br /><br />And not &quot;statistically&quot; better but overall BETTER.<br /><br /><br />We need a big boy QB for this Big Boy team...no more babying..I concur that if doesn't get it this year..we should start looking at other options<br />[/quote]

Hey, I agree, if Flacco doesn't take another step forward this year with all these weapons, then maybe he's not what most of us think he is...but he has given us no reason to think he wont. Enjoy the ride.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1283832324' post='467940']
More babying of Flacco...

What you said is false...Flacco WILL have to eventually win this team a Playoff game...unless that 2000 defense is gonna come strolling through the door.

I don't know why so many Raven fans just assume our defense will always Hold down the fort...that's why we have a QB...to use his weapons and score.
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Football is more of a team effort now than it ever has been. Defenses don't single handedly win championships anymore, but at the same time, no team has ever won one without a good defense. With that said, every single bit of this football team needs to come together, it's just the way the league is right now.

Flacco does not do everything by himself. I agree that if he doesn't get better within the next couple of years than he is by no means the franchise QB. However, he is not the only important part of the team.

So you tell me, how have I been babying him? If by babying, you mean telling it like it is, than you're right.

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1283832675' post='467946']
Football is more of a team effort now than it ever has been. Defenses don't single handedly win championships anymore, but at the same time, no team has ever won one without a good defense. With that said, every single bit of this football team needs to come together, it's just the way the league is right now.

Flacco does not do everything by himself. I agree that if he doesn't get better within the next couple of years than he is by no means the franchise QB. However, he is not the only important part of the team.

So you tell me, how have I been babying him? If by babying, you mean telling it like it is, than you're right.
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After reading what you said again I kinda understand what u were saying so I retracted What I wrote..but I still think its babying..

Why..

Because at the end of the day the QB will always be the Most important player on the football field. Yes if you wanna be politically correct there are so many facets to a team..but ultimately there is offense and defense.

Let's not take responsibility away from Flacco..He is the man..we will only go as far as he takes us.

[Renediffie]

Flacco is our guy and he the Ravens will not be looking for a new qb as long as he play as he have been playing for us the past 2 years. He already holds multiple franchise records and he have brought us to the playoffs 2 years in a row. How can any of you even begin to think that Bulger could threaten his status as our absolute number 1.

[Jabara]

"No One Can Make Excuses For The Offense"

First of all, I'm glad that the title was changed.

Second of all, what does that mean?

It's a demanding assumption, that's all I can get from it.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1283833760' post='467970']
After reading what you said again I kinda understand what u were saying so I retracted What I wrote..but I still think its babying..

Why..

Because at the end of the day the QB will always be the Most important player on the football field. Yes if you wanna be politically correct there are so many facets to a team..but ultimately there is offense and defense.

Let's not take responsibility away from Flacco..He is the man..we will only go as far as he takes us.
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The way I see it, everyone on the team is responsible for their own duties, but we all work together to reach the ultimate goal. Winning a championship.

So saying that the team will only go as far as Flacco takes us is basically like making excuses for the rest of the team. Which I will simply not do.

[I AM LEGEND]

[quote name='Renediffie' timestamp='1283834214' post='467975']
Flacco is our guy and he the Ravens will not be looking for a new qb as long as he play as he have been playing for us the past 2 years. He already holds multiple franchise records and he have brought us to the playoffs 2 years in a row. How can any of you even begin to think that Bulger could threaten his status as our absolute number 1.
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Because Flacco has looked below average in the every playoff game

Because Flacco has proven he can't beat the Steelers or Colts...two teams that we always seem to run into

Because Flacco still has ugly habits that he can't seem to shake...like looking scared in big games

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Renediffie' timestamp='1283834214' post='467975']
Flacco is our guy and he the Ravens will not be looking for a new qb as long as he play as he have been playing for us the past 2 years. He already holds multiple franchise records and he have brought us to the playoffs 2 years in a row. How can any of you even begin to think that Bulger could threaten his status as our absolute number 1.
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He better play better that the last two years.....its called progression.

[Jamal]

Its a strange feeling.

[Jabara]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1283834582' post='467981']
Because Flacco has looked below average in the every playoff game

Because Flacco has proven he can't beat the Steelers or Colts...two teams that we always seem to run into

Because Flacco still has ugly habits that he can't seem to shake...like looking scared in big games
[/quote]

1)Wow, Bro, way to take one idea and break it up into three angry statements.

2)You said one thing three times.

3)If you're upset, say something three times and it becomes magic!

[berad]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1283832324' post='467940']
Flacco will eventually have to win this team a BIG game in the playoffs.
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You're right, the other three he won don't count.

[Jabara]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1283836241' post='467997']
You're right, the other three he won don't count.
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Three playoff wins in a QB's first two years don't count...
If you aren't Peyton Manning in his prime from the very first time you step foot on the field in the NFL, you are a loser for life, duh.
It's a [i]simple[/i] concept!

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1283834582' post='467981']
Because Flacco has looked below average in the every playoff game
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You mean like they said of Peyton Manning for how many years?

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1283834582' post='467981']
Because Flacco has proven he can't beat the Steelers or Colts...two teams that we always seem to run into
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It's his third year. Patriots were on that list too. Until the playoffs. By "Steelers" you must just mean Big Ben since we have beaten the Steelers, just not with Big Ben at the helm.

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1283834582' post='467981']
Because Flacco still has ugly habits that he can't seem to shake...like looking scared in big games
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I haven't noticed him looking scared. Frustrated I've seen. Pretty sure he didn't get the nickname Joe Cool by looking scared all that often.

I think we've all seen that things can turn south on any NFL player, especially QBs, in a hurry. I just don't think Flacco has done anything to deserve all this doubt and speculation. He's done nothing but improve. His numbers compare with sophmore numbers of Manning, Brady, Brees, Big Ben. He's taken this team to the playoffs two years running. Let's at least give the guy a chance with the new receiving corps before we start the "when do we start shopping for a new QB" threads.

[Ravenmore74]

Cam Cameron's offensive playbook is going to be fun to watch it in full effect with a bunch of RB's and Wr's that know what they are doing. I think Cam's play calling will show off a lot of talent and the Ravens will be expected to bring home like 20+ points a game.

[Jabara]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' timestamp='1283838394' post='468012']
Cam Cameron's offensive playbook is going to be fun to watch it in full effect with a bunch of RB's and Wr's that know what they are doing. I think Cam's play calling will show off a lot of talent and the Ravens will be expected to bring home like 20+ points a game.
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You mean like last year when the Ravens averaged 24.4 ppg w/o Boldin, T.J, Stallworth, Dickson/Pitta?

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1283839027' post='468015']
You mean like last year when the Ravens averaged 24.4 ppg w/o Boldin, T.J, Stallworth, Dickson/Pitta?
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Yes but we did that in large part by scoring big on subpar teams then couldn't seem to get it done against some of the better teams in the league. I think it will be expected this season that we are more consistent with our offense, not the on this week, off next week thing.

[JohnJohnson]

The "looks bad in the playoffs" argument is so annoying. I've heard it from other fan bases as well, and it's just asinine. It's followed Peyton Manning around for years, "choker." Never mind the playoff games he won, he lost in the Super Bowl!!!

I Am Legend, Flacco has been in 5 playoff games. 3 of them were wins.

1) Dolphins - Our defense had four turnovers, we dominated. Why would he throw the ball around? He didn't throw any TDs or interceptions, and had a QB rating of 59.

2) Titans - I remember the Titans game being an excellent example of game management, just like the Jets win over the Chargers (our victory was better, the Chargers are soft). He threw a long touch down, just what we needed, and did enough to get us in FG range. Again, we were playing a conservative style of football. He had a QB rating of 89.4.

3) Patriots - A prime example of QB rating being meaningless. People try to include this as a bad game, which I just don't understand. If you watch the game, you know that he did fine. An extremely misleading QB rating of 10 with a sample size of 10 passes, because he threw one interception.


We lost to a divisional rival and eventual SB champion, and we lost to the Colts. To ask Flacco, in his first or second season, to lift the team and make superstars out of subpar receivers is ludicrous. You apparently expected way too much, and you need to chill with all the negative talk.

[neoi78]

[quote name='ravenight' timestamp='1283800385' post='467067']
That would be amazing if Bulger turned out to be the guy. He is a pro bowler and has such a quick release unlike Flacco who holds onto the ball too long IMO.Bulger is playing on an offense perfect for his talents. I believe as the season moves forward we may have a quarterback controversy!
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Sometimes releasing the ball faster means a faster pick by the oposing defense. I like flacco, hes young and learning. THIS YeAR will be the proving grounds for him. i predict flacco lives up to the hype. =)

[Reddawn36]

I must have made a typo or something..... cause from what I'm reading... it sounds like I'm on the Philadelphia Eagles forum

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='neoi78' timestamp='1283842689' post='468031']
...i predict flacco lives up to the hype. =)
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That's like saying "I predict the Saints will win the Superbowl last year", because it's already happened. Does he need to elevate his game even more? Absolutely. But most of us here feel he has lived up to whatever little "hype" there was. If you want hype, look at Mark "Sanchize" Sanchez (with his 12 TD's, 20 INT's, 53.8 Completion %, and QB rating of a whopping 63).

Off-Topic: There are actually people (Jets "fans") who insist that Flacco didn't have a better rookie season than Sanchez! Just have a look at their forum. I guess 500 more yards, 2 more TD's, 8 less INT's, and an 80.3 QB rating don't count!

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='I*Bleed*Purple' timestamp='1283844099' post='468046']
That's like saying "I predict the Saints will win the Superbowl last year", because it's already happened. Does he need to elevate his game even more? Absolutely. But most of us here feel he has lived up to whatever little "hype" there was. If you want hype, look at Mark "Sanchize" Sanchez (with his 12 TD's, 20 INT's, 53.8 Completion %, and QB rating of a whopping 63).

Off-Topic: There are actually people (Jets "fans") who insist that Flacco didn't have a better rookie season than Sanchez! Just have a look at their forum. I guess 500 more yards, 2 more TD's, 8 less INT's, and an 80.3 QB rating don't count!
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and you forgot a legit trip to the playoffs

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='Reddawn36' timestamp='1283846830' post='468059']
and you forgot a legit trip to the playoffs
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Thats the part that gets me most, the way the Jets backed into the playoffs like Reed backs into the endzone.


[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqcXzyILZo[/media]

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1283847679' post='468066']
Thats the part that gets me most, the way the Jets backed into the playoffs like Reed backs into the endzone.


[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqcXzyILZo[/media]
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idk man... for Reed that took skill

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1283838094' post='468009']
I think we've all seen that things can turn south on any NFL player, especially QBs, in a hurry. I just don't think Flacco has done anything to deserve all this doubt and speculation. He's done nothing but improve. His numbers compare with sophmore numbers of Manning, Brady, Brees, Big Ben. He's taken this team to the playoffs two years running. Let's at least give the guy a chance with the new receiving corps before we start the "when do we start shopping for a new QB" threads.
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That's why I think waiting until after Year 4 of his development is the appropriate time to reflect back and consider whether he's the long-term solution at QB; I figure, he has new weapons now in Year 3 but they won't get 100% comfortable together until they have a year together, so Year 4 is when things should click even more. Though Flacco should still made significant gains in Year 3, next year will be the ultimate litmus test since he'll retain most of the same weapons from 2010 in 2011, and he'll have had three solid years under this system, and he'll also be in the second-to-last year of his rookie contract.

If Flacco fails to even match in his fourth year what he did in the beginning of 2009, then Flacco's 5th season (his contract year) will be his final audition for either a new job or a contract extension. I have the utmost confidence he'll live up to the challenge, though.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1283858586' post='468093']
That's why I think waiting until after Year 4 of his development is the appropriate time to reflect back and consider whether he's the long-term solution at QB; I figure, he has new weapons now in Year 3 but they won't get 100% comfortable together until they have a year together, so Year 4 is when things should click even more. Though Flacco should still made significant gains in Year 3, next year will be the ultimate litmus test since he'll retain most of the same weapons from 2010 in 2011, and he'll have had three solid years under this system, and he'll also be in the second-to-last year of his rookie contract.

If Flacco fails to even match in his fourth year what he did in the beginning of 2009, then Flacco's 5th season (his contract year) will be his final audition for either a new job or a contract extension. I have the utmost confidence he'll live up to the challenge, though.
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You're too politically correct, Franny. We all know you want the Flacco doubters to shut it, but you're not allowed to say it

[Kwothdaraven]

I dont for the life of me get why people think flacco needs excuses. The man threw 24 tds in his second season with 36 year old derrick mason as his #1 reciever and has won 3 playoff games on the road. The people criticizing him tk death are the ones who need excuses

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' timestamp='1283838394' post='468012']
Cam Cameron's offensive playbook is going to be fun to watch it in full effect with a bunch of RB's and Wr's that know what they are doing. I think Cam's play calling will show off a lot of talent and the Ravens will be expected to bring home like 20+ points a game.
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I sure hope we don't regress to only 20 points per game with the additions we have and the inevitable progression Flacco should show this year.

[Gtown Purple]

If Flacco can put up 3500ish yards in the past 2 years with a WR pool with less overall talent then what we have now then I think he is poised for a breakout year. Many forget that Joe has taken us to the playoffs both year's he's been here. I expect him to shatter the 4,000 yard mark and maybe even the 25 td mark. He threw for about 170 yards in a half of play against the Giants. That would make 340 overall if he had a similar number in the 2nd half had he played. Multiply that out by 16 and you get 5440. Obviously he'll have games where he throws less and maybe some with more but if he's consistent then the milestone's I mentioned previously should be attainable.