Biggest Impact, Revis Or TJ?

[MKdave]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1283790230' post='466431']
You mean one HALF and that means no one else gets to play on that side.
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To describe a corner taking away 'half' the field, in my opinion, is archaic. It was accurate when you had 2 recievers out in patterns plus a TE or RB. But 3 or 4 receivers out in patterns is the norm now. And Revis is celebrated for his man-to-man coverage not his zone, so he is likely taking away a 1/3 or 1/4 of the field on a given play.

That said Revis is of course far more of an impact player. It means Rex never has to double Revis' man and very rarely has to put S help over the top. That leaves a DB that is now available to blitz which Rex likes to do with his nickle and dime backs.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='MKdave' timestamp='1283798317' post='466935']
To describe a corner taking away 'half' the field, in my opinion, is archaic. It was accurate when you had 2 recievers out in patterns plus a TE or RB. But 3 or 4 receivers out in patterns is the norm now. And Revis is celebrated for his man-to-man coverage not his zone, so he is likely taking away a 1/3 or 1/4 of the field on a given play.

That said Revis is of course far more of an impact player. It means Rex never has to double Revis' man and very rarely has to put S help over the top. That leaves a DB that is now available to blitz which Rex likes to do with his nickle and dime backs.
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Dave, hush. Ever heard of ZONE coverage? Stick to futbol Dave. lol

[MKdave]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1283798605' post='466948']
Dave, hush. Ever heard of ZONE coverage? Stick to futbol Dave. lol
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...I referenced zone coverage in the post you quoted! As I said Revis is a man coverage guy. So that's irrelevant.

[lowrider]

Revis is tied for the best defensive cb in the league. Is this really a question? Housh is going to be at best a number 3 receiver. Are we really going to question whose impact is going to be more? If Revis wasn't going to play week 1, I wasn't even worried about them. Now this will be a challenge for our passing offense.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1283810851' post='467462']
Revis is tied for the best defensive cb in the league. Is this really a question? Housh is going to be at best a number 3 receiver. Are we really going to question whose impact is going to be more? If Revis wasn't going to play week 1, I wasn't even worried about them. Now this will be a challenge for our passing offense.
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Yeah its a real question. What I was getting at by starting the thread is: Everyone and their mother knows what Revis does. Rex has made sure that "he is the greatest". Fine, but what about the mismatches that TJ now brings to our offense. Think about it. There are only so many dbs and linebackers who could possibly keep up with all the talent we pose to throw at them at once. Im not only talkin about when we play the jets. The impact this could "possibly" bring to our offense is off the charts. I guess we will see.

[Corvus]

[quote name='Paradis' timestamp='1283791655' post='466526']
this actually a poll?

Forget passing against the Jets. Run the ball and hope for the best.
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What a disgrace for Agent 47 to be humiliated with that awful Jets logo in the background..the Ravens won't have to hope for the best because they will DELIVER the best on the field next Monday..

As for what was mentioned earlier in the thread, Cromartie is in no way an "all world" cornerback. 1 good season doesn't make you one of the best corners in the league.

As far as the poll question, it is really up for grabs as far as who will have more impact in the opener in my opinion. I seriously doubt Houshmandzadeh can be extremely effective if he has only had the playbook and practice for less than a week. That said, as an experienced veteran and good route runner, he coud make some good plays against the liks of inexperienced guys like Wilson or Lowery. I have to think Revis will bring his "A" game, and he knows his plays, but he could be a little rusty with no team practice at all over the last month. We will find out in a week!

[baltravens]

Apples and oranges.

[macbrak]

Poll fail: I voted for both.

I'd take Revis, but he hasn't been doing much except counting his potential earnings. Whosyourmama has at least been in a professional football camp this year, so its closer then it might seem.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='Paradis' timestamp='1283791655' post='466526']
this actually a poll?

Forget passing against the Jets. Run the ball and hope for the best.
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With our upgraded receivers, we will never forget passing against any team - including the Jets. I say, put as many WR's, WO's and TE's on the field as we possibly can and then challenge any team to defend against us.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan' timestamp='1283811440' post='467472']
Yeah its a real question. What I was getting at by starting the thread is: Everyone and their mother knows what Revis does. Rex has made sure that "he is the greatest". Fine, but what about the mismatches that TJ now brings to our offense. Think about it. There are only so many dbs and linebackers who could possibly keep up with all the talent we pose to throw at them at once. Im not only talkin about when we play the jets. The impact this could "possibly" bring to our offense is off the charts. I guess we will see.
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I mean I guess so. But lets look at it like this. We are talking about biggest impact. If Revis isn't on the Jets, that defense is not the best in the league. No way. But if you look at if we didn't have TJ, our chances don't go down the drain. TJ is a great pickup, but Revis is the biggest impact. Without Revis, Ravens win, no doubt. With Revis its closer.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='Andrew Glass' timestamp='1283790108' post='466423']
Not even close, Revis. Best cover CB in the game. Now this puts Kyle wilson inside. They don't have 1 great cb.. they have 2 allworld cover corners and a stud in the making inside. The problem with the TJ signing is he won't be on the same page with flacco within 7 days I can promise you that. Look how long it took boldin and stallworth... It wasn't a counter to revis it was a move they would of made anyway.
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Cromartie "all world"? No

[JoeCool#5]

I said Revis is a bigger impact. For Revis means more the Jets defense then TJ means for Baltimores passing game.
Revis is a stud. Unfortunately for the Jets, Revis is only one man. The Ravens should have a big day on MNF for Revis cant cover all of the weapons, Boldin, Mason, TJ, Heap and Rice coming out the back field.
I choice Revis for he is a bigger impact for their defense.

[PuRock]

It has to be Revis. He can stop all-pro receivers in his sleep. He'll shut down Boldin for the most part. Housh still needs to learn the playbook and come to play. I expect Revis to have a big game (by that I mean no passes thrown his way).

[purple.n.black]

How is this even a question? Possibly the greatest corner in the NFL or a 3rd WR? A great deal of sets do not even have 3 wide receivers. And I don't think Housh will see a lot of time subbing in.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1283817012' post='467587']
It has to be Revis. He can stop all-pro receivers in his sleep. He'll shut down Boldin for the most part. Housh still needs to learn the playbook and come to play. I expect Revis to have a big game (by that I mean no passes thrown his way).
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There is no question Revis is a great corner. I still beg to differ that he will shut down Boldin for the entire game. Boldin is a proven vet, very physical with great hands. I see him getting his receptions even though they will be hard fought. Housh is also a proven vet and being that he has played in this type of system before there shouldnt be any reason he isnt effective as well.

Revis might have an island but hes not a GOD!

[Ravenmore74]

[quote name='Twoo' timestamp='1283791444' post='466516']
I'm so sick of people saying Revis shuts down HALF the field. Correction. HE SHUTS DOWN ONE PLAYER. Revis is a human being, he isn't capable is covering multiple receivers over half a field.
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Ed Reed Shuts down half the field!!!!

Quote " I only move where that pig skin moves."

[Bltravens]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1283817012' post='467587']
It has to be Revis. He can stop all-pro receivers in his sleep. He'll shut down Boldin for the most part. Housh still needs to learn the playbook and come to play. I expect Revis to have a big game (by that I mean no passes thrown his way).
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Cam will move Boldin around in an effort to get him the ball though. Boldin wont be catchless in this game, but I also dont think hes going to go off either. Housh is playing week 1 against the Jets Harbaugh has already stated.

[Raven07]

one thing people need to remember and realize is that with the Ravens having all these offensive weapons (Mason, Boldin, Heap, Stallworth, and now T.J.) COUPLED with a devasting ground game with our 3 headed monster (when it rears its head) this offensive unit is the most dynamic and most versitle units i believe we've ever had....all players are capable of picking up extra yards and/or breaking the big one...each and every single one of them..they've done it before!....ontop of that, their track records speak for themselves as how much EACH of them are with their capabilities.

Having all these play makers on the field at once... will certainly cause problems for defenses to go up against.....and cause headaches for those involved. In Addition, having all this offensive firepower.... means at LEAST one MAYBE 2 WRs are left to single or break away coverage and Whats the matchup quarterbacks LOVE To see? ..their recievers (like Boldin, Mason and TJ and stallworth and heap) with man to man coverage, and what do you know?........ up goes the ball..for the single coverage deep down field.

AND ...

IF that doesnt work...(the passing game..which i highly suspect it will considering the playmakers we now have) Defenses now are prolly gonna play more... drop back type coverage...afraid of the deep ball....THUS opening up gaps and holes in the defensive secondary for Rice, and McClain and McGahee to burst through and gash them pretty good.

SO either way you look at this situation....it appears to me as a win-win..for a total offense.

[MagicianCamille]

Darelle Revis is a shutdown corner. TJ's going to be our #3 guy. The Jets just sold their Franchise for Darelle Revis. The Seahawks are paying TJ 6 million not to play for them.

Obviously Revis is more important.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1283841576' post='468025']
Cam will move Boldin around in an effort to get him the ball though. Boldin wont be catchless in this game, but I also dont think hes going to go off either. Housh is playing week 1 against the Jets Harbaugh has already stated.
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I agree, Revis won't always be stuck on Boldin. If Mason gets hot, then we might see Revis on him as well. Boldin will get his catches, but he won't go nuts, because Revis will still in general be marked with our top guy.

[jetsknicks1]

[quote name='macbrak' timestamp='1283812318' post='467482']
Poll fail: I voted for both.

I'd take Revis, but he hasn't been doing much except counting his potential earnings. Whosyourmama has at least been in a professional football camp this year, so its closer then it might seem.
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But Housh hasn't been in [i]your[/i] camp all preseason. Revis has been working out with Ty Law during his hold out and I believe it's easier for a CB to come into the 1st game than it is for a WR to adapt to new offense in one game.

A WR needs to learn all new play calling, schemes and verbage. While a CB of Revis' talent just need to line up & shadow his receiver.

I believe that Housh will help you guys over the course of the season, I'm just not sure how much he'll be able to do in the opener.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='MKdave' timestamp='1283803316' post='467224']
...I referenced zone coverage in the post you quoted! As I said Revis is a man coverage guy. So that's irrelevant.
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Revis is the best CB at man coverage yes, but do you honestly think he won't/hasn't played zone?????

As I said, stick to futbol there Nigel Fish'nChips.