After Last Night Game

[12th man]

I understand last nights games was 2-3rd sting guys and rookie player but it did present holes in some of our backups. i would have to think long and hard not to try and find other help from other teams that might let go a veteran player that still has plenty left in the tank and ready to win SB. We are not rebuilding we are ready and built to win and win this year. How long do we give some of these player to develop? I would keep and Eye on WR, Pass rusher,offensive line RT or lT. If we had a next man up with some of those guys last night we would be in trouble, so you you think Oz will be shopping??

[1/28/01]

[quote name='12th man' timestamp='1283531414' post='463582']
I understand last nights games was 2-3rd sting guys and rookie player but it did present holes in some of our backups. i would have to think long and hard not to try and find other help from other teams that might let go a veteran player that still has plenty left in the tank and ready to win SB. We are not rebuilding we are ready and built to win and win this year. How long do we give some of these player to develop? I would keep and Eye on WR, Pass rusher,offensive line RT or lT. If we had a next man up with some of those guys last night we would be in trouble, so you you think Oz will be shopping??
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No one....we're set with the 53 they choose

[Moderator 3]

I think some fans are overreacting to the 2nd and 3rd strings playing poorly last night. In a regular season game, no more than one or two of them would be on the field at the same time. They would be surrounded by vets who would help them with positioning, reads, etc. Last night they were rather leaderless out there all together.

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1283531741' post='463588']
I think some fans are overreacting to the 2nd and 3rd strings playing poorly last night. In a regular season game, no more than one or two of them would be on the field at the same time. They would be surrounded by vets who would help them with positioning, reads, etc. Last night they were rather leaderless out there all together.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.

Like he said, you need someone to follow. Especially on defense. No one that played last night really fills that void, if there. The closest person to it, IMO, would be Zibby. But that's just me.

[Perfekt]

mod 3 put it perfect an plus were not going to win everytime. guys have good days just like guys have bad ones. im sure the rams were playing the best football they have in a while since to them this was their way to show that they are serious about this season. they proved to the ravens that overlooking teams isnt something you can do in the nfl.

we will be great this season without bringing in other people.

[MKdave]

Yep mod 3 was on the money. And besides, it's the 4th preseason game, which is generally accepted to have a comparable level of importance as a practice session. Please don't lose any sleep over it.

[dondeggo]

It's time. Apparently, Cam can't design an offense around Troy's talents. The Ravens have one of the best potential "Wildcat" sets in the pros with Troy at the head. Troy's abilities are more in tune with other QB's like Vince Young, Mike Vick, Fran Tarkington, etal. Troy has never been and will never be a sucessful "pocket" QB and Cam asking him to stand there and get hit is a waste of talent.
We need to cut Troy loose so he can be a productive member of a team who can use his talents.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='dondeggo' timestamp='1283535294' post='463630']
It's time. Apparently, Cam can't design an offense around Troy's talents. The Ravens have one of the best potential "Wildcat" sets in the pros with Troy at the head. Troy's abilities are more in tune with other QB's like Vince Young, Mike Vick, Fran Tarkington, etal. Troy has never been and will never be a sucessful "pocket" QB and Cam asking him to stand there and get hit is a waste of talent.
We need to cut Troy loose so he can be a productive member of a team who can use his talents.
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Few teams game-plan for a pre-season game, especially the last one. That's why Cam didn't re-design the offense for Troy.

I disagree with you on the team's Wildcat potential though.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='dondeggo' timestamp='1283535294' post='463630']
It's time. Apparently, Cam can't design an offense around Troy's talents. The Ravens have one of the best potential "Wildcat" sets in the pros with Troy at the head. Troy's abilities are more in tune with other QB's like [b]Vince Young, Mike Vick, Fran Tarkington, etal[/b]. Troy has never been and will never be a sucessful "pocket" QB and Cam asking him to stand there and get hit is a waste of talent.
We need to cut Troy loose so he can be a productive member of a team who can use his talents.
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Its awesome how wrong you actually are!

T Smith must be paying you to put his name in that company.

[12th man]

I'm surprised everyone here is taking 4th game so likely. I know just like you that of course it was 2-3rd string and of course they all don't play together at one time during regular games that's a given. But man they were pure crap out there last night against 2&3 strings so it was even man on man talent on talent and we still got creamed no reason for it and to me if it next man up than we better find another man.No time to be soft on these guys, it's make it or not plenty of other guys out there more talented getting cut. I would be cleaning house of alot and not settling. Ravens don't settle!!! what's wrong with you all.They played like crap it is what it is.Do i think the 1st team is good?? sure do but need good backups.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='12th man' timestamp='1283542289' post='463742']
I'm surprised everyone here is taking 4th game so [b]likely[/b]. I know just like you that of course it was 2-3rd string and of course they all don't play together at one time during regular games that's a given. But man they were pure crap out there last night against 2&3 strings so it was even man on man talent on talent and we still got creamed no reason for it and to me if it next man up than we better find another man.No time to be soft on these guys, it's make it or not plenty of other guys out there more talented getting cut. I would be cleaning house of alot and not settling. Ravens don't settle!!! what's wrong with you all.They played like crap it is what it is.Do i think the 1st team is good?? sure do but need good backups.
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You do realize it was more like our 3rd's and 4th's, correct? (T Smith, Parmele, Harper, Miller, Reed etc....)

Also, the first drive the Rams had the majority of their 1st's in. Not being rude, but have you just recently starting watching football? I only ask because the 4th PS game is always taken lightly (which is the word I think you meant above).

[ravensfan160]

Our o-line looked really bad. I saw Mattison get pancaked at least twice. It was embarrassing. That would be my only concern considering the health status of our starters.

[Perfekt]

listen to yourself its the 4th preseason game. teams have bad days and we do have depth its just those guys are not use to playing all game. think their guys had more rotations then ours.

i understand the need for concern but really i dont think its as bad as you feel.

[12th man]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1283542509' post='463749']
You do realize it was more like our 3rd's and 4th's, correct? (T Smith, Parmele, Harper, Miller, Reed etc....)

Also, the first drive the Rams had the majority of their 1st's in. Not being rude, but have you just recently starting watching football? I only ask because the 4th PS game is always taken lightly (which is the word I think you meant above).
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Seems like we are bumping heads here. Have been watching games along time now. Yes i understand that we started with the 2-3 rd and 3-4 th string last night and rams had starters out there for around 1 qt pull Qb after first TD.I do know the game can we please keep it on a non personal level.All I'm saying is we looked bad period and I would be shopping for better talent after saturday after the cut, as Oz I'm sure is checking out it's only to upgrade from what we have that's all.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='12th man' timestamp='1283545617' post='463801']
Seems like we are bumping heads here. Have been watching games along time now. Yes i understand that we started with the 2-3 rd and 3-4 th string last night and rams had starters out there for around 1 qt pull Qb after first TD.I do know the game can we please keep it on a non personal level.All I'm saying is we looked bad period and [b]I would be shopping for better talent after saturday after the cut,[/b] as Oz I'm sure is checking out it's only to upgrade from what we have that's all.
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At what positions exactly? Most teams don't have quality depth along the o-line and that unit aside, I don't think anyone really stunk it up(excluding Phillips in pass coverage and Miller's muffed punt).

[berad]

[quote name='12th man' timestamp='1283545617' post='463801']
Seems like we are bumping heads here. Have been watching games along time now. Yes i understand that we started with the 2-3 rd and 3-4 th string last night and rams had starters out there for around 1 qt pull Qb after first TD.I do know the game can we please keep it on a non personal level.All I'm saying is we looked bad period and I would be shopping for better talent after saturday after the cut, as Oz I'm sure is checking out it's only to upgrade from what we have that's all.
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I mean, have you tried getting the roster down to 53, yourself? It's damn near impossible. We have a load of talent and potential on this team; the reality is that a number good football players aren't going to make it.

And I don't know why you are putting [i]any[/i] stock into the 4th preseason game. It is the least important out of all of them. My roommate thought the Ravens were in trouble, too.. he also thought that the Rams were still in LA..

Preseason, people..

[berad]

[quote name='dondeggo' timestamp='1283535294' post='463630']
It's time. Apparently, Cam can't design an offense around Troy's talents. The Ravens have one of the best potential "Wildcat" sets in the pros with Troy at the head. Troy's abilities are more in tune with other QB's like Vince Young, Mike Vick, Fran Tarkington, etal. Troy has never been and will never be a sucessful "pocket" QB and Cam asking him to stand there and get hit is a waste of talent.
We need to cut Troy loose so he can be a productive member of a team who can use his talents.
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The problem is that all of those players are both better passers and runners than Smith..

If Troy Smith was as talented as you claim, we would have seen it the past 3 years, we wouldn't have signed Marc Bulger, he wouldn't have had a terrible game against the Rams, and [i](most importantly)[/i] you wouldn't have to stand up for him - his performance would speak for itself.

[Jabara]

What worries me about last night, isn't the way the back ups played, but the fact that apparently Kruger hurt his shoulder.
Since we're so close to the season they won't really disclose how serious it is, but RavensInsider did tweet that it's more serious than just a bruise.
And in Harbaughs latest press conference he said that he's not going to be talking about injuries anymore.
I hate not knowing about injuries, although I understand why they don't do it.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1283546642' post='463818']
What worries me about last night, isn't the way the back ups played, but the fact that apparently Kruger hurt his shoulder.
Since we're so close to the season they won't really disclose how serious it is, but RavensInsider did tweet that it's more serious than just a bruise.
And in Harbaughs latest press conference he said that he's not going to be talking about injuries anymore.
I hate not knowing about injuries, although I understand why they don't do it.
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Kruger really he might not even see the field this year guy.I like him but he's still a lil ways off. Id feel more comfortable with Gooden rushing the edge than Kruger with all his added bulk.

[Ngata Chance]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1283568717' post='464049']
Kruger really he might not even see the field this year guy.I like him but he's still a lil ways off. Id feel more comfortable with Gooden rushing the edge than Kruger with all his added bulk.
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Kruger plays end. Gooden is a LB. You know that right? And Kruger most likely won't start. Give him beyond 4 pre-season games before you make a judgement about a guy playing in his new position.

[The Raven]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1283568717' post='464049']
Kruger really he might not even see the field this year guy.I like him but he's still a lil ways off. Id feel more comfortable with Gooden rushing the edge than Kruger with all his added bulk.
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Gooden can't even take on a FB, NFL tackles would kill him... Kruger's not as bad as you say he is...

Back on topic... It's the 4th preseason game. Which shouldn't even qualify as a game to be honest. It's more like a scrimmage. And really, I did see some bright spots yesterday. Although Phillips was poor in coverage, he dominated the running game. In regard to the running game, he beats Gooden every day of the week. He impressed me in that regard. Also, despite the O-line's failure to block, and protect, Ramon Harewood did pretty well. I have a good feeling about him. If Gaither doesn't get his act straight, Harewood may be starting next year, or soon after, and Gaither will be traded for at least a 2nd. Also in regard to the run game, our RB's did incredible considering the amount of blocking they got.

Nakamura showed a lot of promise at safety and nickelback. He has truly dominated this preseason. We need to find a way to get 3 and even 4 safety sets this year. Maybe not, but we simply have too much talent at safety. I also loved Haruki's leadership skills. This kid's a player.

On the negative side, Travis Fischer is as good as gone. He was terrible. I understand Troy received very minimal protection, but even when protection was there, he failed. I wouldn't be surprised if we cut him at all.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='12th man' timestamp='1283545617' post='463801']
Seems like we are bumping heads here. Have been watching games along time now. Yes i understand that we started with the 2-3 rd and 3-4 th string last night and rams had starters out there for around 1 qt pull Qb after first TD.I do know the game can we please keep it on a non personal level.All I'm saying is we looked bad period and I would be shopping for better talent after saturday after the cut, as Oz I'm sure is checking out it's only to upgrade from what we have that's all.
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Don't take it personally when someone (or the whole board) disagrees with you. Its not personal, its just that your posts don't really have any validity behind them and many are disagreeing with you. Sorry

[purple.n.black]

The point is this is one time in the year when you CAN look forward to next week's game before the week is over. Although the Raven's wanted to win and have a great performance against the Rams, the point is beating the Jets is MUCH more important

[12th man]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1283545899' post='463806']
At what positions exactly? Most teams don't have quality depth along the o-line and that unit aside, I don't think anyone really stunk it up(excluding Phillips in pass coverage and Miller's muffed punt).
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I would look for players already established but still have something left to give .In WR, offence, and a rusher just look at what other team cut that's all just see what's out there you never know.Remember Willy Anderson that was a great pic something like that.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='12th man' timestamp='1283617787' post='464317']
I would look for players already established but still have something left to give .In [b]WR[/b], offence, and a [b]rusher[/b] just look at what other team cut that's all just see what's out there you never know.Remember Willy Anderson that was a great pic something like that.
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Why do we need another receiver? Is getting Anquan Boldin and Donte Stallworth not enough? Given Donte is out for a few months, but Mark Clayton should be a monster in the slot.

...and when you say "rusher", I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean a pass rusher. (If you are referring to another running back) We have arguably the best depth at running back in the league. Not to mention we've made rushing the passer a focus all offseason...so if that's what you're referring to, I'm still confused.