Greg Mattison

[JEEPercreepermd]

I know that the transition period into his system was a little rough at first, but it looks like all of the players are now comfortable with it, and in some ways I'm starting to like it even more than what we saw with Rex here.

Now i know some of you are going to neg me for that last comment, but all of the trickery and exotic blitzes really only covered up some major deficiencies that the Ravens had in coverage. Also, Manning, Brady, Ben, and even Palmer were never fooled by it and they always knew exactly how to attack us.

[Ravenmore74]

I quote from Gregg "if I could have all 53 players on this team on the defense I would." He thinks defensely he even stopped a play when the defenseive secondary wasn't even lined up correctly against the Panthers.

[BloodRaven]

Well, he's not as good as Rex and it probably won't be long before the pitchforks and torches come out again.

[Bltravens]

The have different flavors and Mattison proved to be effective last year. Rex's system went to the extreme in 2008 with overload blitzing and I fault him for not working on beating your man as a pass rusher and just solely relying on numbers, so when Mattison took over our pass rush was screwed. Rex is the more accomplished DC by far, by Mattison's schemes and coverages dont leave me as scared as it did the first 4 weeks of last season. Hes growing as a DC.

[Twoo]

Rex was known for his confusing packages and pair blitzing. In other words, the QB would never know who was dropping in to coverage, who was blitzing and who was stopping the run. It was unbelievably effective but it was also high risk, high reward- and definitely cost us a few important games through the years (especially in 08').

Mattison has a more traditional approach to defense. He believes heavily in Zone defense and Assignment defense. Meaning the Safeties more or less split the field, the inside LB's rarely blitz and are more for stopping the run and middle zone coverage. 99.99% of the blitz packages will involve OLB's and DE's, occasionally a free CB rushing the outside. The benefit with Mattison's defense if you know what you're going to get and it also sheds light on the weaker players. Rex's defense turned run of the mill players in to stat superstars. Mattison's defense takes the cake away from the superstars and turns the entire defense in to an equal machine.

But... that's all IMO.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' timestamp='1283102015' post='459971']
I quote from Greg[b]g[/b] "if I could have all 53 players on this team on the defense I would." He thinks defensely he even stopped a play when the defenseive secondary wasn't even lined up correctly against the Panthers.
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Ha, its like a game now. I'm looking at every post of yours trying to find one where all names are spelled correctly. It cannot be done!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' timestamp='1283129598' post='460185']
Thanks for staying on topic with it though....
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Pot, kettle, black.....isn't there a saying using those words?

On topic - GreG Mattison has come into his own and has put together some great schemes so far this year. Of course, it helps Suggs is playing like a $60M man!!

[Ravenmore74]

If Greg Mattison can Change up the playbook in the middle of the game with the dept we have. I think that we can read an offense and get more fumbles and interceptions. The secondary can lurk in the backfield and let balls come right to them.

[Jabara]

Mattison seems to be less in the spotlight and reserved while Rex is more about his own image and ego, not to mention surgery and HBO shows. And the difference between them reflects in the play calling. Twoo put it well.
I also think Mattison can hold his liquor better than Rex.
Mattison probably enjoys good bourbon or scotch while Rex would probably crush whatever is in front o**** him.

[Nobi]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1283106804' post='460012']
Rex is the more accomplished DC by far.
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Don't forget that before becoming our DC Rex Ryan was a Offensive Line coach. No one really thought he was going to do much, and I was disappointed we didn't go after any established coaches that year for the job. Then after 2 decent seasons coaching an already stout defense, rife with talent, he gets a Head Coaching job for a desperate New York team.

So all in all, he was a DC for two seasons. Not very accomplished if you ask me.

I actually think we will make a move to Dean Pees next year, especially if Mattison struggles.


P.S. I'm not hating on Rex, I actually like the guy Just pointing out he's not as established as many say he is.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Nobi' timestamp='1283198255' post='460551']
Don't forget that before becoming our DC Rex Ryan was a Offensive Line coach. No one really thought he was going to do much, and I was disappointed we didn't go after any established coaches that year for the job. Then after 2 decent seasons coaching an already stout defense, rife with talent, he gets a Head Coaching job for a desperate New York team.
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You had me a little confused for a second. But I think you meant Defensive line coach.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Nobi' timestamp='1283198255' post='460551']
Don't forget that before becoming our DC Rex Ryan was a Offensive Line coach. No one really thought he was going to do much, and I was disappointed we didn't go after any established coaches that year for the job. Then after 2 decent seasons coaching an already stout defense, rife with talent, he gets a Head Coaching job for a desperate New York team.

So all in all, he was a DC for two seasons. Not very accomplished if you ask me.

I actually think we will make a move to Dean Pees next year, especially if Mattison struggles.


P.S. I'm not hating on Rex, I actually like the guy Just pointing out he's not as established as many say he is.
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No I meant Rex is the far more established DC [b]now[/b]. I really dont think Pees will become the DC if Mattison struggles, Mattison had the defense #3 last year and Pees came off 2 years where he struggled as the Pats DC and his first year as the DC rode the best offense of all time to the Super Bowl...its easy to call a defense when your up 20 points every week. You just blitz the crap out of them.

[Alexir]

I like that Mattison is blitzing more but honestly still not too impressed by him. Monachino and Pees have a lot to do with the pass rush I believe. The secondary just plays off of receivers WAY TOO MUCH. Almost every receiver is wide open then they close in to make the tackle. But then again, that could just be the secondary coaches fault! Either way, we need to do something about that. Jam at the line more. Im sick of watching our corners playing ten yards off the ball!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1283201349' post='460589']
I like that Mattison is blitzing more but honestly still not too impressed by him. Monachino and Pees have a lot to do with the pass rush I believe. The secondary just plays off of receivers WAY TOO MUCH. Almost every receiver is wide open then they close in to make the tackle. But then again, that could just be the secondary coaches fault! Either way, we need to do something about that. Jam at the line more. Im sick of watching our corners playing ten yards off the ball!
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Ravens CBs giving a big cushion seems to be an organizational thing. Even when the team had McAlister and Rolle in '06, I remember them playing off quite a bit. Bump-n-run is great but you have to have CBs who know what they're doing or you could get burned deep. Webb aside, I can't think of a CB on this team with the physicality to jolt a WR at the line and stay with him.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1283201349' post='460589']
The secondary just plays off of receivers WAY TOO MUCH. Almost every receiver is wide open then they close in to make the tackle. But then again, that could just be the secondary coaches fault!
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That is because the talent just isn't there. They have to keep their receivers well in front of them because if they pressed at all, they'd get burn by a double speed move for a TD everytime.

I wouldn't pin that on Mattison's gameplan. He is trying to mitigate risks with playing the backup cornerbacks in that fashion.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1283201623' post='460593']
Ravens CBs giving a big cushion seems to be an organizational thing. Even when the team had McAlister and Rolle in '06, I remember them playing off quite a bit. Bump-n-run is great but you have to have CBs who know what they're doing or you could get burned deep. Webb aside, I can't think of a CB on this team with the physicality to jolt a WR at the line and stay with him.
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This.

Washington doesnt have the mentality to press and Carr is the size of me...when I was 18.

[Alexir]

Well they need to have different zones or schemes because our corners have the speed and are making good tackles but like I mentioned, they are allowing the receivers to make catches.

Webb needs to come back because he is the only cornerback on our team who understands the position.

I'm sick of watching a secondary run around like chickens with their heads cut off. It's one thing with Reed back there but with no veteran presence (landry doesn't count), it scares me.

[beasy2487]

Alright I like Webb as much as the next guy but I really don't understand the Chuck Norris-like descriptions that have come out about him. Last year our secondary wasn't that great with Washington and Foxworth starting and Webb came in and played solidly. His best games came against weaker competition and the guy definitely has potential but he's not Revis just yet. From the way people on this forum talk about him you'd think the kid ran a 3.8 and had wings.

Given time, yes he could be great, but let's not think he's going to come back from injury and be the messiah of the secondary. Manage your expectations.

[Alexir]

[quote name='beasy2487' timestamp='1283208846' post='460655']
Alright I like Webb as much as the next guy but I really don't understand the Chuck Norris-like descriptions that have come out about him. Last year our secondary wasn't that great with Washington and Foxworth starting and Webb came in and played solidly. His best games came against weaker competition and the guy definitely has potential but he's not Revis just yet. From the way people on this forum talk about him you'd think the kid ran a 3.8 and had wings.

Given time, yes he could be great, but let's not think he's going to come back from injury and be the messiah of the secondary. Manage your expectations.
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Him and Revis are two different levels and 2 different styles. Webb is good because he utilizes bump and run coverage and isn't afraid to truck a linebacker.

The other cornerbacks play let the receiver make a play then try and tackle him.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1283212825' post='460686']
Him and Revis are two different levels and 2 different styles. Webb is good because he utilizes bump and run coverage and isn't afraid [b]to truck a linebacker.[/b]

The other cornerbacks play let the receiver make a play then try and tackle him.
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Huh?

[Alexir]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1283213137' post='460687']
Huh?
[/quote]

I mean running back, I think im still recovering from my binge drinking at Renn Fest.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1283215030' post='460699']
I mean running back, I think im still recovering from my binge drinking at Renn Fest.
[/quote]
Gotcha....figured it was a typo and not intentional.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1283203268' post='460618']
Well they need to have different zones or schemes because our corners have the speed and are making good tackles but like I mentioned, they are allowing the receivers to make catches.

Webb needs to come back because he is the only cornerback on our team who understands the position.

I'm sick of watching a secondary run around like chickens with their heads cut off. It's one thing with Reed back there but with no veteran presence (landry doesn't count), it scares me.
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The Redskins game aside(Fisher being the main culprit), the CBs have all performed pretty well this pre-season in my opinion. Yes, they've given up catches but so do all CBs around the league. With the NFL's pro-offense rules, CBs have a tougher time than ever trying to cover WRs. As long as they aren't giving up 20+-yard plays, I'll be satisfied.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1283221346' post='460723']
The Redskins game aside(Fisher being the main culprit), the CBs have all performed pretty well this pre-season in my opinion. Yes, they've given up catches but so do all CBs around the league. With the NFL's pro-offense rules, CBs have a tougher time than ever trying to cover WRs. As long as they aren't giving up 20+-yard plays, I'll be satisfied.
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Correction...As long as they get stops, we'll be satisfied lol

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1283221346' post='460723']
The Redskins game aside(Fisher being the main culprit), the CBs have all performed pretty well this pre-season in my opinion. Yes, they've given up catches but so do all CBs around the league. With the NFL's pro-offense rules, CBs have a tougher time than ever trying to cover WRs. As long as they aren't giving up 20+-yard plays, I'll be satisfied.
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Well it also helps that our CBs are playing well off the receiver. But at least they are making tackles.

[JGRaveNOVA]

the ravens defense looks better because there are some key improvements in personnel. suggs is in better shape and motivated and the younger inside line backers are more experienced. the defensive line is benefitting from having more capable bodies to rotate and again, it's the preseason where new offensive lines haven't had the time to gel. the secondary is looking very stout but that also can be attributed to a healthy fear free landry, a more experienced zib and a healthy motivated more experienced nakamura. no exotic blitz packages or coverage variation. the system hasn't changed, the players have.

gregg may have his reasons though - as he said in interviews his key philosophy as a coach is to put players in the best spots to maximize their abilities. why throw short fast CBs into press coverage? why ask slow powerful MLBs rush the quartback?