Cary Williams

[baltravens]

Boy, doesn't corners Webb, Washington, Carr, and Williams sound pretty good? Really, the beginning of October is when we should be good to go because Cary Williams, who is appearing like a steal, comes back from suspension and Webb starts to gel then as Washington will already be in full-form too.

[Perfekt]

i think miller will make the team an although he is undersized i think he is a solid back up as well.

[Alexir]

The corners I believe who will make the team are as follows (Based on if L. Webb is 100% a go at season opener):
Fabian Washington
Chris Carr
Cary Williams
Lardarius Webb
Prince Miller

I haven't seen Fisher do anything well and looks worse than Frank Walker*, Walt Harris is on IR, Dutch could be PS and Gerard is battling an injury I believe.

*he plays off receivers wayyy too much and is horrible at cutting back and shadowing a route.

[Perfekt]

Im not high on Fisher either but if hes out there starting then chances are we are keeping him.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1282580618' post='456720']
The corners I believe who will make the team are as follows (Based on if L. Webb is 100% a go at season opener):
Fabian Washington
Chris Carr
Cary Williams
Lardarius Webb
Prince Miller

I haven't seen Fisher do anything well and looks worse than Frank Walker*, Walt Harris is on IR, Dutch could be PS and Gerard is battling an injury I believe.

*he plays off receivers wayyy too much and is horrible at cutting back and shadowing a route.
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We`ll keep more than 5 corners, Williams is suspended for 2 games, Webb I think will be ready to go week 2/3, Carr has had hammy issues the last part of TC, and Miller really wont be covering anybody unless theres significant injuries.

[Runnin Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1282580618' post='456720']
I haven't seen Fisher do anything well and looks worse than Frank Walker*

*he plays off receivers wayyy too much and is horrible at cutting back and shadowing a route.
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I was pretty shocked at how out of position Fisher looked at times. The coaches have to be all over that.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1282588331' post='456786']
We`ll keep more than 5 corners, Williams is suspended for 2 games, Webb I think will be ready to go week 2/3, Carr has had hammy issues the last part of TC, and Miller really wont be covering anybody unless theres significant injuries.
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I think so too. Two many questions at CB to only go with 5 guys. We'll be keeping a lot of depth at CB until things iron themselves out during the regular season.

Wouldn't be surprised to see the Dutch make the team. Just for insurance.

[FerrariFan87]

It's really unfortunate that Williams isn't going to be available the first two weeks... he's been our best corner by far and has really good ball skills that I didn't realize he had.

[Gtown Purple]

I would have expected that based on his newness to the ravens syetm. What concerns me more is how hard he's biting on pumps and double moves. he got completely blazed on a few plays against the skins against 2/3rd string talent.


[quote name='Runnin Raven' timestamp='1282589601' post='456805']
I was pretty shocked at how out of position Fisher looked at times. The coaches have to be all over that.
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[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Gtown Purple' timestamp='1282589842' post='456811']
I would have expected that based on his newness to the ravens syetm. What concerns me more is how hard he's biting on pumps and double moves. he got completely blazed on a few plays against the skins against 2/3rd string talent.
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McNabb is one of the best in the league going deep but that can't excuse Fisher letting practice squad fodder burn him deep multiple times.

[Perfekt]

Im glad to see that i wasnt the only one that noticed that Fisher was biting on everything. I really think Dutch is alot better than what we expected. He isnt a game changer but hes seemed solid in coverage thus far.

i can see us carrying 6 corners but they will have to be ones that also help with ST.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Perfekt' timestamp='1282590159' post='456817']
Im glad to see that i wasnt the only one that noticed that Fisher was biting on everything. I really think Dutch is alot better than what we expected. He isnt a game changer but hes seemed solid in coverage thus far.

i can see us carrying 6 corners but they will have to be ones that also help with ST.
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Dutch didn't play as well on Saturday as he did in the Carolina game but I agree he's been solid overall.

The CBs contributing on special teams is a given.

[Perfekt]

The only reason i said they will have to help with ST is because i have yet to see Fisher play.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Perfekt' timestamp='1282590709' post='456822']
The only reason i said they will have to help with ST is because i have yet to see Fisher play.
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Play on special teams you mean? I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure he's on the different coverage units.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Perfekt' timestamp='1282590159' post='456817']
Im glad to see that i wasnt the only one that noticed that Fisher was biting on everything. I really think Dutch is alot better than what we expected. He isnt a game changer but hes seemed solid in coverage thus far.

i can see us carrying 6 corners but they will have to be ones that also help with ST.
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I see us only carrying 5 corners with the presence of the safeties we have on this team.

Nakamura will be a 3rd safety in Dime packages.

[Perfekt]

I could have very well missed him. I just never saw him on special teams. Trust me the number 41 always sticks out because of Frank.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='Perfekt' timestamp='1282591129' post='456832']
I could have very well missed him. I just never saw him on special teams. Trust me the number 41 always sticks out because of Frank.
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I always know where #41 is lined up lmao

[lowrider]

I think it is a little quick to say our cornerback situation is ok or good. Cary Williams although he had that interception was still part of a defensive performance that let up over 200 yards with McNabb in the game. I'm not saying he hasn't played well, but to depend on him at this point is a bit of a reach.

And honestly I always thought that Washington was at best a number 2 guy. We either need Webb to step up after a tough knee injury, or we need Cary Williams to continue to progress. Because our cornerback situation is not in a good situation yet.

[Perfekt]

We dont need elite corners we just need solid. Those plays that we gave up where not due to Williams playing. Fisher was in on the deep throws but to fishers credit it was Mcnabb who is a elite qb.

I feel like we are not giving our secondary enough credit for stepping up when everyone outside of bmore has been bashing them and throwing them under the bus. Even with the injuries last year we finished 3rd on defense.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Perfekt' timestamp='1282593202' post='456854']
We dont need elite corners we just need solid. Those plays that we gave up where not due to Williams playing. Fisher was in on the deep throws but to fishers credit it was Mcnabb who is a elite qb.

I feel like we are not giving our secondary enough credit for stepping up when everyone outside of bmore has been bashing them and throwing them under the bus. Even with the injuries last year we finished 3rd on defense.
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I agree with you completely. And the fact that Washington didn't play much and Carr didn't play hurt too. And especially before Foxworth got hurt I thought our secondary would surprise some people

But realistically speaking, Washington isn't a great cornerback even at 100%. He is a solid number 2 corner in my opinion. It's too early to tell how Webb is going to be. But we got lit up by McNabb and Anthony Armstrong. McNabb is great, and I think he is the most underrated qb in the league but he is not manning, brees, rodgers, Brady. Those qbs would not be forgiving to our secondary. And if Anthony Armstrong is burning us, Jennings and Reggie Wayne won't be so nice against us.

I'm not saying our team will be terrible and all doom and gloom and blah blah blah. But I just think its a bit too early to say our secondary is fine after the amount of yards we gave up against the redskins offense.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1282592766' post='456850']
I think it is a little quick to say our cornerback situation is ok or good. Cary Williams although he had that interception was still part of a defensive performance that let up over 200 yards with McNabb in the game. I'm not saying he hasn't played well, but to depend on him at this point is a bit of a reach.

And honestly I always thought that Washington was at best a number 2 guy. We either need Webb to step up after a tough knee injury, or we need Cary Williams to continue to progress. Because our cornerback situation is not in a good situation yet.
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Well to be fair to the secondary, McNabb only completed 11 passes, and 5 were against CBs. 3 of those 5 passes were complete in the 2 minute drill where the defense usually plays off coverage.

Outside of the long pass play to A Armstrong, McNabb completed 4 passes against the CBs that went for 57 yards. That's not bad for a whole half of football. 105 of McNabb yards came from poor coverage by our LBs.

Even the LBs aren't much of a concern to me because we didn't gameplan for the Skins. In a real game i doubt there would be a lB trying to cover Moss.

I agree with you that we can't say we are set at CB, but i think we can say we are a little better off then most people made us out to be. I think despite the yardage allowed that the coverage was really good in the Skins game.

[Perfekt]

im fine with it because it showed that although we gave up some yardage that we still played tough where it counted the red zone. Washington looked like his 08' form saturday with him flying to the ball unlike last season where his run support was lacking. although he may not be a number 1 everywhere right now hes the best we have and im riding with him.

on a side note Moll played better than expected.

[baltravens]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1282592766' post='456850']
I think it is a little quick to say our cornerback situation is ok or good. Cary Williams although he had that interception was still part of a defensive performance that let up over 200 yards with McNabb in the game. I'm not saying he hasn't played well, but to depend on him at this point is a bit of a reach.

And honestly I always thought that Washington was at best a number 2 guy. We either need Webb to step up after a tough knee injury, or we need Cary Williams to continue to progress. Because our cornerback situation is not in a good situation yet.
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In early October our cornerback situation will be good or OK. Williams would be off of suspension and Webb SHOULD be in playing shape while Washington would already be there. It seems Williams or Carr would be our nickle back. How could anyone bash our cornerbacks at that point?

[lowrider]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1282594484' post='456868']
Well to be fair to the secondary, McNabb only completed 11 passes, and 5 were against CBs. 3 of those 5 passes were complete in the 2 minute drill where the defense usually plays off coverage.

Outside of the long pass play to A Armstrong, McNabb completed 4 passes against the CBs that went for 57 yards. That's not bad for a whole half of football. 105 of McNabb yards came from poor coverage by our LBs.

Even the LBs aren't much of a concern to me because we didn't gameplan for the Skins. In a real game i doubt there would be a lB trying to cover Moss.

I agree with you that we can't say we are set at CB, but i think we can say we are a little better off then most people made us out to be. I think despite the yardage allowed that the coverage was really good in the Skins game.
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Good points good points. Coverage by our LBs doesn't bother me either. I feel like there is so much competition there, I feel like that all of them will push each other to become great cover guys. And we can play Ellerbe, Gooden, and McClain in situational plays to play to each one's strengths. I don't think we will see just one in every play.

I didn't mean to be negative about our secondary situation. I just wanted to make sure we were doing devils advocate and making sure both arguments were made. I think the way James Walker approached our secondary weakness is the most accurate way. He stated it was a problem, and that it was a weakness, but with a team this deep at every other position, cornerback would be pointed out. But never did Walker say that secondary would be the downfall to this team.

We can still compensate for our weakness at corner. And with Webb off the PUP list, and Williams playing like he is; then we are on the right track

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1282595611' post='456878']
Good points good points. Coverage by our LBs doesn't bother me either. I feel like there is so much competition there, I feel like that all of them will push each other to become great cover guys. And we can play Ellerbe, Gooden, and McClain in situational plays to play to each one's strengths. I don't think we will see just one in every play.

I didn't mean to be negative about our secondary situation. I just wanted to make sure we were doing devils advocate and making sure both arguments were made. I think the way James Walker approached our secondary weakness is the most accurate way. He stated it was a problem, and that it was a weakness, but with a team this deep at every other position, cornerback would be pointed out. But never did Walker say that secondary would be the downfall to this team.

We can still compensate for our weakness at corner. And with Webb off the PUP list, and Williams playing like he is; then we are on the right track
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I tell you what, if the Ravens defense plays the same it did in the Skins game, the first 5 weeks of the season, we'll be in great shape going up to NE.

Yea McNabb got the big play and we gave up yards, but with Ngata and Cody on the field together, the Skins coudn't even thing about running the football. That put the Skins in 2nd/3rd and longs.

Then the other thing we did well was get pressure on McNabb in different ways. We blitzed at times, but for the most part we got great push from our guys up front. I won't show up in the stat sheet, but the pass rush was really good in that game. Shancez,Plamer,Delhomme,Leftwich,nor, Orton are really moblie guys, and McNabb had to viod much pressure the other night, by using his feet. The only guy in the first 4 weeks that could give us problems would be Dixon of the Steelers, but only with his feet really. Bardy isn't a mobile guy either, but with Welker he has a good short pass game to aviod pressure.

I really think we will be fine, especially once Ed comes back.

[Perfekt]

isnt it great to feel like we have some type of answer to the biggest question mark heading into the offseason.

[Bazooka Joe]

I watched the game two more times and after the INT, McNabb was hesitant with throwing Car Williams way. Also, Cary did not get burned once in the game. I think he eventually becomes the NB this year and could challenge for the starting job next season next to Webb.