Franchise Tag Question

[MKdave]

What happens if a team trys to franchise their Kick Returner?

I know there's not many KRs that are good enough to get tagged (Devin Hester and maybe Joshua Cribbs)so this is kind of a hypothetical question , but seeing as the tag means you get the average of the top 5 players at your position, what would it be for Hester, since he doesn't really have a position outside of kick returner. I know he's played DB, WR and RB, but seeing as he's taken more snaps at kick returner, and most kick returners actually play a position legitimately, what would he get?

[smashmouth]

All KR's have a postion, like Figures, he is a wide reciever, BJ Sams is a DB, Hester is also WR. They also put return specialist beside there postion on the roster.

[MKdave]

All KR's have a postion, like Figures, he is a wide reciever, BJ Sams is a DB, Hester is also WR. They also put return specialist beside there postion on the roster.

But isn't it the position that they play the most that they get tagged at? they're reviewing every snap that suggs was in to see if he should be tagged as a 'backer or an end.

I think Hester took more snaps at returner than he did Wideout.

[Mazda]

its the position he is plays. Hester plays WR, hell get tagged as one

[smashmouth]

its the position he is plays. Hester plays WR, hell get tagged as one

Yes because there's not a return specialist spot on the depth chart, its "special teams" all players have a postion then they get added to a special team spot.

[neepo13]

What happens if a team trys to franchise their Kick Returner?

I know there's not many KRs that are good enough to get tagged (Devin Hester and maybe Joshua Cribbs)so this is kind of a hypothetical question , but seeing as the tag means you get the average of the top 5 players at your position, what would it be for Hester, since he doesn't really have a position outside of kick returner. I know he's played DB, WR and RB, but seeing as he's taken more snaps at kick returner, and most kick returners actually play a position legitimately, what would he get?

Wouldnt be a very smart thing to do because you will be paying them the average of the 5 highest salary at either CB, RB, or WR. All those franchise tags are well over 6 million. After this season, with Samual, CB could be over 11 million. No kick returner is worth that much.

This is why I believe that kick returner should be an official position because it is so important now. There should be a position called KR and every team should have to have at least one. That way you dont have guys like Hester and Sams, who dont really have a position taking up a valuable depth roster spot. They would have their own roster spot.

[smashmouth]

Wouldnt be a very smart thing to do because you will be paying them the average of the 5 highest salary at either CB, RB, or WR. All those franchise tags are well over 6 million. After this season, with Samual, CB could be over 11 million. No kick returner is worth that much.

This is why I believe that kick returner should be an official position because it is so important now. There should be a position called KR and every team should have to have at least one. That way you dont have guys like Hester and Sams, who dont really have a position taking up a valuable depth roster spot. They would have their own roster spot.

not all these guy's are taking up just roster spot, they do have a postion, we used yamon figures as a reciever this year, Devin Hester had 20 rec for 299 yards with 2 TDs for the bears this year. BJ Sams is a DB, but your right about him, he's pretty much only a Return guy.

[neepo13]

not all these guy's are taking up just roster spot, they do have a postion, we used yamon figures as a reciever this year, Devin Hester had 20 rec for 299 yards with 2 TDs for the bears this year. BJ Sams is a DB, but your right about him, he's pretty much only a Return guy.

Figurs caught one stinking pass last year, I know eventually the Ravens want to use him more as a wr. But I dont see it. I think Figurs for the most part will remain a return guy and maybe they throw him in on a few trick plays to surprise the defense. Deion Sanders used to catch passes on offense to but that didnt make him a wr. And about Hester, his rookie season he was on the roster as a DB and he couldnt really play DB. It was only this past season that the Bears decided to incoorporate him into the offense more.

[smashmouth]

Figurs caught one stinking pass last year, I know eventually the Ravens want to use him more as a wr. But I dont see it. I think Figurs for the most part will remain a return guy and maybe they throw him in on a few trick plays to surprise the defense. Deion Sanders used to catch passes on offense to but that didnt make him a wr. And about Hester, his rookie season he was on the roster as a DB and he couldnt really play DB. It was only this past season that the Bears decided to incoorporate him into the offense more.

Im just saying that these guy's are not only kick returners.. look around the league, NE has Wes Weker and Hobbes as there returners, both starters, i could go on all day of the starters that return kicks.

[neepo13]

Im just saying that these guy's are not only kick returners.. look around the league, NE has Wes Weker and Hobbes as there returners, both starters, i could go on all day of the starters that return kicks.

Thats exactly my point. So, that teams dont have to use their star players, i.e. Steve Smith ( who I believed was injuried returning a kickoff a few times). There are enough players out there that specialize in kick returning and kick returning only, and it wouldnt be out of the question to have a seperate position for it. The fact that teams use guys like Wes Welker and Ellis Hobbs is more due to the fact that they dont want to lose out on depth at wr, rb, or db to add a KR. So, they choose to let a starter do it, its not neccessarily because kr is something they are good at. If there was a kr position, it would elimanate that issue.

[Raven07]

i agree, having a particular player on special teams as a return man, doesnt exactly mean that, THAT will be the only job or only purpose to use him for, all players have positions in which they excel at and thus promt teams to designate them to that particular area of play, they also have talent in at least one other position on the football field, which can only add to the never edning issue of "depth" on one team or another. and can only prove a player his worth.

[minford]

i agree, having a particular player on special teams as a return man, doesnt exactly mean that, THAT will be the only job or only purpose to use him for, all players have positions in which they excel at and thus promt teams to designate them to that particular area of play, they also have talent in at least one other position on the football field, which can only add to the never edning issue of "depth" on one team or another. and can only prove a player his worth.

exactly, players are put out there to play and play towards their strengths...certain players HAVE more strength, passion, courage, and LEADERSHIP that shine through and make them elite leaders, players have these talents on the starting lineup and on the bench so where ever we pull our players from we will have those traits on the field of strength... the ravens are a proud organization with the NEED to SUCCEED and the players will try their best at whatever position they play.

[Raven07]

right, surely teams wouldnt put players out there for the purpose of not playing towards their individual Strengths. When a player shows promise at more than one particular position, the whole Team takes notice of that and will continue to watch his progress as time goes on to see whether the player does it on a week in and week out consistant basis, Then the team will decide on whether or not to incorporate them into different schemes and further the inidividual's talents even further and go from that point forward.

[smashmouth82]

if one day the bears couldn't come to an agreement with hester, you better believe they'd designate him with the franchise tag. WR, RB, DB whatever-they'd do it to keep him and work the kinks out later on.

[neepo13]

if one day the bears couldn't come to an agreement with hester, you better believe they'd designate him with the franchise tag. WR, RB, DB whatever-they'd do it to keep him and work the kinks out later on.

I just thought of something. That is bad for the teams but its even worse for the player because when your only upside is being a KR, the team can basically put you on the roster as ANYTHING. The can list him as a punter for goodness sake and they can keep franchising him as a punter.

[MKdave]

I just thought of something. That is bad for the teams but its even worse for the player because when your only upside is being a KR, the team can basically put you on the roster as ANYTHING. The can list him as a punter for goodness sake and they can keep franchising him as a punter.

Yeah but if they screw him over like that, then he is less likely to sign up long term with them . and I don't think you can franchise someone consecutive season, (but I'm not sure)

I'd kind of want to see Hester go into the free agent market (whenever his contract is up) just to see what the reaction of other teams is. He is pretty much the greatest return man ever to be primarily a return man. Like if deion sanders went into the FA, teams would go after him because they wanted a corner, not a return man. but if you're going after hester, it's because of his return skills.

I wonder how many teams would be genuinely interested (obviously every team would want him, but who would put up the dough to sign him?) and what kind of money he would get.

[Raven07]

i dont think that any team would have the nerve to do such a thing to such a hugh profile player (no matter whom it may be).....the players that have stood out and made a positive name for themselves....have done so the right way and have gone through that Grueling process of hard work to get to where they are at. surely Teams wont be as "bleak" in their contract talks.

[neepo13]

exactly, players are put out there to play and play towards their strengths...certain players HAVE more strength, passion, courage, and LEADERSHIP that shine through and make them elite leaders, players have these talents on the starting lineup and on the bench so where ever we pull our players from we will have those traits on the field of strength... the ravens are a proud organization with the NEED to SUCCEED and the players will try their best at whatever position they play.

Good point. wp.

[Raven07]

all the Players on this team are going to be/have been playing at a continual high level, in which If the coaches decide "hey this guy may be better off here playing this position....lets try it out and see how he responds" type of deal then we'll see a few changes in how certain players play the situation and what not. its worth a shot to see what kind of potential our players on a individualistic performance basis, can respond in positive ways, you will never really or actually know anything unless you give it a shot.i think that point has been proven time and time again throughout the years. one thing is evident though, Depth is key. so that noone either gets tired and cant perform at a continual high level and becomes more likely to cause a turnover or get injured or a combination of both. so its a good thought to fall back on, knowing you have more than capable back-ups that can step in for teh starter when he is indeed out and continue to perform very well.

[Ravensfan_till_DEATH]

if u place a franchise tag on a kick returner then it better be either hester or hall in his prime no way u pay a kick returner top 5 kinda money on my team especially on the ravens. tag is too important for a guy he touches the ball maybe 50 times a season

[Raven07]

or just plain and simple a Guy whom can make guys miss, use his speed and vision, and overall talent AS well as his Blockers and the football in its entirity to simply be an effective force for his team.