Gooden To Safety?

[kagejb]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1282251960' post='454434']
Because we have yet to see him dish out this damage that you speak of?
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But you think that he'll do more damage if he switches to an entirely different position that he has played his entire life? He can contribute more as a LB than as a safety. Switching positions would just slow his development.

[flynismo]

[quote name='kagejb' timestamp='1282252253' post='454435']&lt;br /&gt;But you think that he'll do more damage if he switches to an entirely different position that he has played his entire life? He can contribute more as a LB than as a safety. Switching positions would just slow his development.&lt;br /&gt;[/quote]<br /><br />Well, truth is, he'll never be a starter for us at LB anyway...he's got a long way to go still, so I'm not overly concerned about stunting his development at LB. Worth at least looking at in my opinion, he has the physical tools to make for a solid SS..

Kinda sucks to have to say that, because I've been hyping up Gooden to anyone who'll listen for the last couple years...was hoping he'd be a faster version of Bart Scott..

[ravensfolife]

Strong safety and lb arent that diffrent of a position. As long as he can cover a little he would be a great run stopping safety... In the mold of roy williams.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ravensfolife' timestamp='1282254872' post='454460']
Strong safety and lb arent that diffrent of a position. As long as he can cover a little he would be a great run stopping safety... In the mold of roy williams.
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Do people not understand that he's 240+ pounds?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravensfolife' timestamp='1282254872' post='454460']
Strong safety and lb arent that diffrent of a position. As long as he can cover a little he would be a great run stopping safety... In the mold of roy williams.
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Roy Williams still had to cover though and was routinely exposed in that regard. And with the league becoming more pass-happy, one-dimensional safeties can't be hidden anymore.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='ravensfolife' timestamp='1282254872' post='454460']
Strong safety and lb arent that diffrent of a position. As long as he can cover a little he would be a great run stopping safety... In the mold of roy williams.
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Roy Williams age of SS is over. SS like Troy who can acutally cover are the future.

[ravensfolife]

[quote name='TSizzle00' timestamp='1282259089' post='454502']
Roy Williams age of SS is over. SS like Troy who can acutally cover are the future.
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Your right, im just saying thats the type of safety he would be plus most ss dont cover man to man. All im saying its not far fetched, most times ss are converted to lb.... Brian urlacher, micheal boulware and pretty soon taylor mays

[ravensfolife]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1282256199' post='454471']
Do people not understand that he's 240+ pounds?
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So he couldnt drop weight?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ravensfolife' timestamp='1282262682' post='454518']
So he couldnt drop weight?
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Of course....but you honestly expect someone to drop 20+ lbs and still maintain the strength and speed required to play safety - either free or strong?

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='d-macravfan' timestamp='1282238648' post='454268']
ravens really should have gotten then a good corner either in free agency or atleast the sec. round of the draft
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So where were we going to get a top free agent corner being one of the elite 8 teams? Hmmmm! Someone give me the answer to that? I guess we did not make good picks in the second round! Those damn steps!

[flynismo]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1282264004' post='454523']<br />Of course....but you honestly expect someone to drop 20+ lbs and still maintain the strength and speed required to play safety - either free or strong?<br />[/quote]


I'd assume dropping 20 pounds would only help him run quicker, and maybe a little faster..

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='ravensfolife' timestamp='1282262682' post='454518']
So he couldnt drop weight?
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Dropping weight during the off season to change his position sounds a lot easier than to drop it in 3-4 weeks to change positions! "Hey Gooden, we need you to drop 20 lbs real fast before the season starts in 3 weeks!"

[1/28/01]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1282268315' post='454541']
I'd assume dropping 20 pounds would only help him run quicker, and maybe a little faster..
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The diet needed to drop 20+ would reduce his overall strength, stamina and muscle mass, therefore reducing his short burst/stride speed. The thought alone, of converting a 245 lb LB to safety in todays NFL, is hilarious and not worthy of a debate.

Not going to happen, shouldn't happen, can't happen and not going to happen.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Marc2k6' timestamp='1282268373' post='454542']
Dropping weight during the off season to change his position sounds a lot easier than to drop it in 3-4 weeks to change positions! "Hey Gooden, we need you to drop 20 lbs real fast before the season starts in 3 weeks!"
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Agreed! But, regardless of the time table, the body becomes accustomed to size, muscle tone/shape, weight etc and it he would be ultimately slower as a result of the tear down his body would go through.

[flynismo]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1282268594' post='454546']<br />The diet needed to drop 20+ would reduce his overall strength, stamina and muscle mass, therefore reducing his short burst/stride speed.  The thought alone, of converting a 245 lb LB to safety in todays NFL, is hilarious and not worthy of a debate.<br /><br />Not going to happen, shouldn't happen, can't happen and not going to happen.<br />[/quote]

I dunno...it's routine for guys to drop weight to increase stamina...well, really the weight loss is an end result of different workout routines that focus on stamina rather than strength/bulk, but the point being that with proper training I dont think stamina/speed would be negatively affected, if anything it should improve...

[flynismo]

Regarding the time table, obviously that couldn't happen, but i was thinking that since gooden is just going to be riding the bench anyway if he stays at LB, maybe this could be a more long term project...first see if he has the basic tools to be successful, then worry about whipping him into proper shape for next year if he does..

[ed.s52]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1282269715' post='454560']
Regarding the time table, obviously that couldn't happen, but i was thinking that since gooden is just going to be riding the bench anyway if he stays at LB, maybe this could be a more long term project...first see if he has the basic tools to be successful, then worry about whipping him into proper shape for next year if he does..
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Ummm, who said he has lost the fight for the starting position yet. Also, as the 3rd-4th LB, he would probably get some quality snaps [b]especially[/b] on passing downs because he is better than both Ellerbee and McClain in coverage (although some might also be given to McClain because he excels in inside pass rush and isn't too bad in coverage).

Also, he would DEFINITELY ride the bench as a safety barring injury to Zibby, Hamlin, Hakuri, Reed, and Landry.

[DrMoonTooth]

You know what's sad? If Gooden could just stay healthy, this wouldn't even be a thread...

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='DrMoonTooth' timestamp='1282280836' post='454625']
You know what's sad? If Gooden could just stay healthy, this wouldn't even be a thread...
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Even better break into his role as Rays replacement!

[BloodRaven]

I smell Madden logic..

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1282315043' post='454737']
I smell Madden logic..
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It worked ok on Madden 10 haha

[EdReedFTW]

[quote name='DrMoonTooth' timestamp='1282280836' post='454625']
You know what's sad? If Gooden could just [b]hit the right gaps[/b], this wouldn't even be a thread...
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I think that's what you mean

[lugierave]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' timestamp='1282239473' post='454273']
First of all, this doesn't have anything to do with the topic of the tread.

Second, I'll pose this a question who was available?

All of the decent CB's available in the 1st round were taken so Ozzie traded out of the first round and picked up a high second round pick, and he also got his third and fourth round picks back (originally lost 3rd and 4th to arizona in the boldin deal).
The best players available were Cody and Kindle..both would have been 1st round picks any other year.

The point is, there wasn't anyone available via the draft that the Ravens were interested in, or was good enough to justify Ozzie picking them over Kindle or Cody. So, no the Ravens SHOULDN'T have drafted a CB.

At the end of the day look at it this way.
Ozzie trades a 3rd and 4th to Arizona and gets the Receiver we need. When the Cowgirls took Dez Bryant in the 1st round Ozzie had no more reason to keep his first, so he traded out of the first round and was able to still take the best players available (who also filled needs at two positions on defense) so there's 3 positions he filled with top grade talent while not losing ANY draft picks. Oh btw he also was able to sign Stallworth for CHEAP, and pick up two TE's in the draft as well.

Sorry, but the entire team doesn't revolve around the CB position, and there have been plenty of Super Bowl teams who won it despite not having pro bowl corners.
The Ravens have had years where they were TOP 3 in pass defense and still didn't win the Super Bowl. This is a team sport and they will have to win as a TEAM now more than ever.
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[lugierave]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' timestamp='1282239473' post='454273']
First of all, this doesn't have anything to do with the topic of the tread.

Second, I'll pose this a question who was available?

All of the decent CB's available in the 1st round were taken so Ozzie traded out of the first round and picked up a high second round pick, and he also got his third and fourth round picks back (originally lost 3rd and 4th to arizona in the boldin deal).
The best players available were Cody and Kindle..both would have been 1st round picks any other year.

The point is, there wasn't anyone available via the draft that the Ravens were interested in, or was good enough to justify Ozzie picking them over Kindle or Cody. So, no the Ravens SHOULDN'T have drafted a CB.

At the end of the day look at it this way.
Ozzie trades a 3rd and 4th to Arizona and gets the Receiver we need. When the Cowgirls took Dez Bryant in the 1st round Ozzie had no more reason to keep his first, so he traded out of the first round and was able to still take the best players available (who also filled needs at two positions on defense) so there's 3 positions he filled with top grade talent while not losing ANY draft picks. Oh btw he also was able to sign Stallworth for CHEAP, and pick up two TE's in the draft as well.

Sorry, but the entire team doesn't revolve around the CB position, and there have been plenty of Super Bowl teams who won it despite not having pro bowl corners.
The Ravens have had years where they were TOP 3 in pass defense and still didn't win the Super Bowl. This is a team sport and they will have to win as a TEAM now more than ever.
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Ozzie magic as alwayd. With you all the way and well explained!!!

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='EdReedFTW' timestamp='1282340192' post='454977']
I think that's what you mean
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Haha...that's also true.

[Shammy]

i think gooden is soft he always has some naggin injury and claims to be so talented but blows alotta plays and i cant remember any plays he has ever made

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Shammy' timestamp='1282369502' post='455185']
i think gooden is soft he always has some naggin injury and claims to be so talented but blows alotta plays and i cant remember any plays he has ever made
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He chased down Adrian Peterson last year; although one could argue he was in position to make that play because he had been shoved several yards backwards.

[Clutch Ravens]

The NFL isn't Madden.

You can't flick an analogue stick right or left and magically have a player that can contribute at another position.

Gooden would still have stiff competition at Safety and, considering the level of experience he'd be up against, he would probably end up as the 2nd or 3rd string SS at best.

Now isn't the time to be moving players to positions they aren't built for and have no experience at.

[flynismo]

I swear to god, the use of the phrases 'kool-aid' and 'this aint Madden' should be banned from the forums...shiz is played out!

[1/28/01]

Anyone still think Gooden should be safety? Hahahahah. He can't defend a FB!!