Nnamdi Asomugha

[Purple Punishment]

A little of Asomugha's thoughts on him against Revis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC5DqeteXdQ&feature=player_embedded


I still cringe knowing Ozzie probably would have picked him but Billick made him pull the trigger on Boller. This man i has more intelligence and football skill. He destroys Bayless and I love it. Skip Bayless is a very clueless person through this whole debate!

[McBurks]

Bayless is a dirt bag anyway but if you read the video comments:

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[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Just further proof that ESPN will do anything they can to promote Revis and disregard any player that is better than him. As a die-hard Raider fan I watched the first episode of First and 10 early in the morning, then I watched it a second time after class. In the second cut of the episode ESPN took out the part of the debate where Nnamdi totally proved Skip wrong.[/font]
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[font="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"]Nnamdi made an excellent point,if he gets thrown at less per game how is he going to have more chances to be a ball hawk like Revis? ESPN is just favoriting the hot teams like they always have in the past,still doesn't change my mind that Nnamdi is better than Revis.
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[H8R]

Revis is a product of Rex Ryans scheme, the New York Spin Machine and Bean Baggers. Aso shuts down a side because people DONT throw at him. Revis does not have that YET.

[lowrider]

I think people would give Aso more credit but half the people can't pronounce his name. Revis is just easier to say.

[Irish Raven]

Nnamdi come across as very intelligent and well spoken in every interview

A career in the media beckons or realy, he can do succeed at whatever he wants when he retires.

[Alexir]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1282218357' post='454103']
Revis is a product of Rex Ryans scheme, the New York Spin Machine and Bean Baggers. Aso shuts down a side because people DONT throw at him. Revis does not have that YET.
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In 2008 when he didnt have Rex Ryan he put up almost the exact numbers and went to the pro bowl.

Also, on another note, Nnamdi seems like a real down to earth guy. Theoretically I rather have him on our team than Revis.

[H8R]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1282232426' post='454199']
In 2008 when he didnt have Rex Ryan he put up almost the exact numbers and went to the pro bowl.

Also, on another note, Nnamdi seems like a real down to earth guy. Theoretically I rather have him on our team than Revis.
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I wasn't really talking about his play, more along the lines of his EGO. thats why I mentioned the Spin machine and Bean baggers.

[Purple Punishment]

Nnamdis face @ 2:56 tells everyone that Skip Bayless knows nothing about football lol

[AwakenTheDemon]

I've yet to see an Aso interview where he didn't come off as calm, cool, well-spoken and extremely knowledgeable about the sport. Nnamdi could have gotten frustrated with Skip after his first ignorant statement, but he didn't. He kept his cool and refuted every statement of Skip's. This is why Aso's playing football and considered one of the top defensive players in the league today... and Skip's sitting on his butt in a studio making himself look like an idiot.

[Twoo]

Nnamdi brought up a point NO one ever brings up. Revis -looks- better because people throw to him. No one throws to Aso. He completely shuts half the field down. Kudos to him.

Aso > Revis
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[RavensAllTheWay]

I see a bunch of Jets haters. Revis is better, I'd take him over Aso anyday. He does have a much greater impact on that defense than Aso has on the Raiders because Revis enables Rex to double team the opponents other receivers while he shuts down number 1 receivers single handedly week in and week out. He also enables Rex to put pressure (and a lot of it) on the opposing QB way more often than your average defense, making it extremely difficult to find even one open receiver downfield and deliver the ball.

Without Revis in there, Rex can't double team other receivers on the field, nor can he blitz nearly as often. He's not a product of Rex's scheme, the defensive scheme revolves entirely around him and it works. Without Aso, nothing changes on the Raiders d. The number 1 receiver gets double teamed and the number two and three receivers are open for a completion either way.

Who does more? Aso with safety help when he only gets one ball thrown at him a game, or Revis when he gets a lot more thrown at him a game with no help at all?

[RavensAllTheWay]

I'll bet if Aso was a Jet and Revis was a Raider, you'd be bashing the hell outta Aso right now and saying Revis is better. You'd also be backing up Skip. I still have no idea how Woodson got defensive player of the year award last year instead of Revis.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Yeah, people prefer Aso on here because we all hate the Jets. Get over yourself. Aso doesn't get thrown to due to his reputation, that's [i]his[/i] reputation, not his and a safety. To say otherwise is foolish.

Please tell me which big name safety does Aso get help from? Huff? Branch? Outside of Aso, the Raiders aren't too talented in the secondary. They have decent players, but no one near Aso's level. Therefore, quarterbacks would rather throw away from him, towards a "weaker" cornerback than chance throwing it into Aso's territory.

Revis isn't on that same level of reputation just yet as Nnamdi is. People still throw at him, so he'll get more tackles, deflections, and picks than Aso will. Revis also benefits from having a more talented overall secondary behind him than Aso. Granted, Rhodes is gone this year, but they picked up Kyle Wilson, Brodney Pool, and even Antonio Cromartie.

Aso > Revis. End of Story, and my feelings on the Jets have nothing to do with my decision.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1282232426' post='454199']
In 2008 when he didnt have Rex Ryan he put up almost the exact numbers and went to the pro bowl.

Also, on another note, Nnamdi seems like a real down to earth guy. Theoretically I rather have him on our team than Revis.
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Not really. He had just about TWICE as many "passes defended" in 2009 as he did in 2008. I only bring this up because you brought it up. Stats really are arbitrary. There are too many other factors not included in stats, that count for a lot. The simple fact is, Revis was not known by 99% of the football world until he got to play in Rex Ryan's defense. Now he's one of the biggest names out there. The only way we'll tell if Revis is really that valuable is by how the Jets do without him at the beginning of this season. 3 more weeks!

[Ed_Reed20]

That video is just another reason why Nnamdi is one of my favorite athletes today. Made his point, didn't have to raise his voice and made Skip look like a fool.

Nnamdi FTW!

[flynismo]

Nnamdi.
Not even close or worth debating.

[EdReedFTW]

"Revis is better than you because he plays with more 'contagious fire' than you do." That quote pretty much sums up skips argument in a nutshell. He's an idiot.

[flynismo]

[quote name='EdReedFTW' timestamp='1282262951' post='454521']<br />&quot;Revis is better than you because he plays with more 'contagious fire' than you do.&quot; That quote pretty much sums up skips argument in a nutshell. He's an idiot.<br />[/quote]

Too bad Skip's fiery commentary style doesn't help him be a better commentator than...well, pretty much anyone else.

[Alexir]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1282247973' post='454364']
Not really. He had just about TWICE as many "passes defended" in 2009 as he did in 2008. I only bring this up because you brought it up. Stats really are arbitrary. There are too many other factors not included in stats, that count for a lot. The simple fact is, Revis was not known by 99% of the football world until he got to play in Rex Ryan's defense. Now he's one of the biggest names out there. The only way we'll tell if Revis is really that valuable is by how the Jets do without him at the beginning of this season. 3 more weeks!
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Really 99% of the football world didn't know him? Thats shocking to me.....

The guy has talent and would fit in any defensive system on any team. Rex Ryan is a great coach but he is not the reason Revis is a pro bowler.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1282246953' post='454354']
Yeah, people prefer Aso on here because we all hate the Jets. Get over yourself. Aso doesn't get thrown to due to his reputation, that's [i]his[/i] reputation, not his and a safety. To say otherwise is foolish.

Please tell me which big name safety does Aso get help from? Huff? Branch? Outside of Aso, the Raiders aren't too talented in the secondary. They have decent players, but no one near Aso's level. Therefore, quarterbacks would rather throw away from him, towards a "weaker" cornerback than chance throwing it into Aso's territory.

Revis isn't on that same level of reputation just yet as Nnamdi is. People still throw at him, so he'll get more tackles, deflections, and picks than Aso will. Revis also benefits from having a more talented overall secondary behind him than Aso. Granted, Rhodes is gone this year, but they picked up Kyle Wilson, Brodney Pool, and even Antonio Cromartie.

Aso > Revis. End of Story, and my feelings on the Jets have nothing to do with my decision.
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I hope your feelings on the Jets didn't influence your decision. But also, I didn't say "big name" safety at all. But when it comes down to it, either you get safety help or you don't, and Aso got it more often than Revis. Look people can bring up the fact that Aso had less passes thrown his way, but what if he did have as many passes thrown his way as Revis? Do you think he'll make as many plays/interceptions or shut down as many Andre Johnsons, Randy Mosses, Chad Ochocincos, TOs etc?? Maybe he would, maybe not.

But to say Aso doesn't get thrown to as much because he has a much higher reputation than Revis...reputation? Reputation is a popularity contest, it doesn't necessarily mean Aso is better because of his reputation. Reputation has nothing to do with how good you are as a player, it's all about history. I mean sure, Aso was better his whole career up until last year, but contrary to popular belief, I believe that Revis doing better for the first time last year makes him better because it's all about the present not the past, and I believe that Revis doing better in the present nulifies the fact that Aso was better all those years prior to last.

And I'd take Revis over Aso because like I said, he gives the D coordinator the opportunity to do so many unorthodox, yet very effective things with the rest of his players on defense. The same apparently can't be said about Aso because if he [i][/i]could[i][/i] be a factor like that of Revis, he already [i][/i]would[i][/i] be.

Not bashing Aso here because he's still a dominant corner, but really I can't think of any reason as to why he's better than Revis. So as far as I'm concerenced, he's not.

[DrMoonTooth]

I really want to intervene with ATD's argument, but I know he'll take care of it.

All I have to say is Nnamdi is my favorite type of player: a great talent with a great mind.

For all you Revis lovers, I'd like to show you a simple, yet enlightening comparison:

1)Revis + Jets D > Asomugha + Raiders D

HOWEVER

2)Asomugha > Revis

Was anyone saying Revis was better in 2008? No, but what changed from 2008 to 2009? Hmm...I wonder. Revis is a great CB, but he is also a product of Ryan's defensive scheme. Plus (as you can see from the above comparison), Revis is helped by the #1 defense in football with exotic blitzes and nonstop pressure. If anyone is on an island, it's Nnamdi. Asomugha is accomplishing similar feats to Revis, but he is doing so alone. Nnamdi gets little to no safety help during games while Revis gets help from ten other respectable defensive players. Revis is great, but football is an 11-on-11 sport. He's not the only reason the Jets were the best defense in football. The fact that Asomugha can be in the discussion while on the Raiders should speak for itself.

If the Raiders had made it to the AFC Championship Game, every one would be talking about Asomugha the way people talk about Revis. The spotlight is always going to be placed on the best player on the winning team, unfortunately. You see that in the MVP voting. Look at Chris Johnson's year last season...did his team make the playoffs? Nope, but Manning's did. An overall team's success is often paired with the success of individual players, but again, this is a team sport gentlemen. That's why on a team with no recent success, Nnamdi should be given that much more credit. /thread.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1282274361' post='454588']
I hope your feelings on the Jets didn't influence your decision. But also, I didn't say "big name" safety at all. But when it comes down to it, either you get safety help or you don't, and Aso got it more often than Revis. Look people can bring up the fact that Aso had less passes thrown his way, but what if he did have as many passes thrown his way as Revis? Do you think he'll make as many plays/interceptions or shut down as many Andre Johnsons, Randy Mosses, Chad Ochocincos, TOs etc?? Maybe he would, maybe not.

But to say Aso doesn't get thrown to as much because he has a much higher reputation than Revis...reputation? Reputation is a popularity contest, it doesn't necessarily mean Aso is better because of his reputation. Reputation has nothing to do with how good you are as a player, it's all about history. I mean sure, Aso was better his whole career up until last year, but contrary to popular belief, I believe that Revis doing better for the first time last year makes him better because it's all about the present not the past, and I believe that Revis doing better in the present nulifies the fact that Aso was better all those years prior to last.

And I'd take Revis over Aso because like I said, he gives the D coordinator the opportunity to do so many unorthodox, yet very effective things with the rest of his players on defense. The same apparently can't be said about Aso because if he [i][/i]could[i][/i] be a factor like that of Revis, he already [i][/i]would[i][/i] be.

Not bashing Aso here because he's still a dominant corner, but really I can't think of any reason as to why he's better than Revis. So as far as I'm concerenced, he's not.
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Funny you brought up how he'd fare against Andre Johnson, TO, Chad Johnson, and Randy Moss. Because he [i]has[/i] played all of those men extremely well in the past. Secondly, "Maybe, Maybe Not" is an extremely weak statement to bring into a debate. Especially when there is no "maybe not", when history has shown that, like I said, Aso has and can play those receivers perfectly.

Reputation is a popularity contest? Maybe in high school. In the professional world (whether it be an office or a football league), reputation is much more than a "popularity contest". You get a reputation based on your actions on the field. Peyton Manning has a reputation as being one of (if not the) the best quarterbacks in the league. Does that mean he's just liked more than the other quarterbacks? No, he has the statistics and on-the-field actions to justify such a reputation. However, you can also earn a reputation for other things. Such as creating last second, come from behind wins in the fourth (Ben Roethlisberger), being lazy (Albert Haynesworth), being a fierce, passionate, on the field general (Ray Lewis), or a ball-hawk (Ed Reed). Asomugha shuts down his side of the field based on the reputation he has [i]earned[/i].

The 2005 and 2006 (the first two seasons he saw as a starter all year long) seasons were the thresh hold seasons for Aso. Before then, he got thrown to as much as every other, run of the mill cornerback. So he racked up 103 solo tackles, 25 deflections, and 8 picks (all in the 2006 season). After those two seasons, his looks dropped off. He never got the chance to notch more than 33 tackles, failed to get double digits in pass deflections, and only had one pick in those next three seasons.

Looking at last season, Revis deflected a league high 37 passes. In contract, Aso ranked 143rd with 5 deflections. Does that mean Revis is any better just because he deflected more passes? No, it does mean he got more looks than Aso. However, statistics don't always tell the whole story when it comes to cornerbacks, or defensive backs in general. Asomugha is the perfect example of this. His statistics suffer due to his reputation of play at cornerback, but that doesn't mean he's any less effective, since you only have to really worry about one side of the field.

For example, during the 2007 season, Asomugha was only thrown at 31 times and only gave up 10 completions. In 2008, he was thrown at 27 times, only giving up 8 completions. Only Randy Moss and Tony Gonzalez caught more than one pass against Nnamdi that season (Moss caught 3 for 40 yards and Gonzalez caught 2 for 34 yards). During the 2009 season, Aso was targeted 27 times and gave up 13 completions.

That is exactly why I'll take Asomugha any day of the week over Revis. I'm not saying Revis isn't good, he's just not on the level of Nnamdi, whether it be reputation or on the field play. Opposing quarterbacks are more likely to want to throw towards Revis than Aso.

[theFRANCHISE]

Without derailing the interesting debate at hand, it's fairly obvious that the Raiders are lucky to have Nnamdi Asomugha in more ways than one.

There's no denying that Revis is talented -- but Asomugha's body of work when we're actually able to [i]watch him[/i] speaks for itself. There has rarely been a corner who's been so precise in his technique; only Champ Bailey and Deion Sanders really have played to his level in the past two decades.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Nnamdi put it best himself, actually.

"At the end of '06 season, who's better me? Me or Champ? The '07 season, who's better? Me or Champ? '08, who's better? Me or Champ? '09, now it's who's better, me or Revis? If I'm in the discussion every year, Skip, then I'm doing something that's okay."

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1282279760' post='454617']
Funny you brought up how he'd fare against Andre Johnson, TO, Chad Johnson, and Randy Moss. Because he [i]has[/i] played all of those men extremely well in the past. Secondly, "Maybe, Maybe Not" is an extremely weak statement to bring into a debate. Especially when there is no "maybe not", when history has shown that, like I said, Aso has and can play those receivers perfectly.

Reputation is a popularity contest? Maybe in high school. In the professional world (whether it be an office or a football league), reputation is much more than a "popularity contest". You get a reputation based on your actions on the field. Peyton Manning has a reputation as being one of (if not the) the best quarterbacks in the league. Does that mean he's just liked more than the other quarterbacks? No, he has the statistics and on-the-field actions to justify such a reputation. However, you can also earn a reputation for other things. Such as creating last second, come from behind wins in the fourth (Ben Roethlisberger), being lazy (Albert Haynesworth), being a fierce, passionate, on the field general (Ray Lewis), or a ball-hawk (Ed Reed). Asomugha shuts down his side of the field based on the reputation he has [i]earned[/i].

The 2005 and 2006 (the first two seasons he saw as a starter all year long) seasons were the thresh hold seasons for Aso. Before then, he got thrown to as much as every other, run of the mill cornerback. So he racked up 103 solo tackles, 25 deflections, and 8 picks (all in the 2006 season). After those two seasons, his looks dropped off. He never got the chance to notch more than 33 tackles, failed to get double digits in pass deflections, and only had one pick in those next three seasons.

Looking at last season, Revis deflected a league high 37 passes. In contract, Aso ranked 143rd with 5 deflections. Does that mean Revis is any better just because he deflected more passes? No, it does mean he got more looks than Aso. However, statistics don't always tell the whole story when it comes to cornerbacks, or defensive backs in general. Asomugha is the perfect example of this. His statistics suffer due to his reputation of play at cornerback, but that doesn't mean he's any less effective, since you only have to really worry about one side of the field.

That is exactly why I'll take Asomugha any day of the week over Revis. I'm not saying Revis isn't good, he's just not on the level of Nnamdi, whether it be reputation or on the field play. Opposing quarterbacks are more likely to want to throw towards Revis than Aso.
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Look as far as "maybe, maybe not," what do you want me to say? Do you want me to say, "OK I know for a fact that Revis would still make more plays even if Aso got as many passes thrown his way as Revis" when in reality I don't? But neither do you.

Secondly, has Revis NOT earned the reputation like that of Aso? Has he NOT done enough to prove he's as good as advertised? Has he NOT done enough to prove that throwing in his direction is extremely risky, just like Aso? Teams don't throw to Aso. But teams do throw to Revis and they pay a price for it, that simple.

Look I know stats don't tell the whole story and I didn't say they did. But you also have to take this into account. How can this guy make the rest of the team better and what can he do? Revis makes the entire Jets d better, while Aso doesn't make the entire Raiders d better. All I'm saying is that the reputation of Aso is overrated when compared to that of Revis imo. Not saying he's overrated in terms of talent, but rating him higher than Revis to me is bad.

Also, if Revis were on my defense, I'd LOVE for teams to throw his way because it leads to more interceptions, which leads to more points and more victories. But no one seems to have figured out a way around it yet. With Aso, you just don't throw his way and you'll more than likely find someone open for a completion, which limits the turnovers and points allowed for the opponent. So the belief that Revis hasn't earned the same "feared" reputation as Aso is far beyond me.

QBs didn't throw to their top WRs very much when Aso was covering them. But QBs DID throw to their top WRs when Revis was covering them and how many plays did he make against them? And even when they did throw more to their top WRs against Revis than when against Aso, he still shut them down and held them to very similar numbers as Aso kept them to only with more work to do than Aso in defending all those passes.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1282283580' post='454639']
Revis makes the entire Jets d better, while Aso doesn't make the entire Raiders d better.[/quote]
I'm trying my hardest not to intervene, but I must on this one sentence. The saying "Revis makes the entire Jets D better" is a double-edged sword, my friend. The Jets D also makes Revis better. I'm not sure how you can say Aso doesn't make the entire Raiders D better when he IS the Raiders D. But in Asomugha's case, there is no double-edged sword. To say the Raiders D makes Nnamdi better would be ridiculous, which only strengthens an argument for Asomugha.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='DrMoonTooth' timestamp='1282279525' post='454615']
I really want to intervene with ATD's argument, but I know he'll take care of it.

All I have to say is Nnamdi is my favorite type of player: a great talent with a great mind.

For all you Revis lovers, I'd like to show you a simple, yet enlightening comparison:

1)Revis + Jets D > Asomugha + Raiders D

HOWEVER

2)Asomugha > Revis

Was anyone saying Revis was better in 2008? No, but what changed from 2008 to 2009? Hmm...I wonder. [b]Revis is a great CB, but he is also a product of Ryan's defensive scheme. Plus (as you can see from the above comparison), Revis is helped by the #1 defense in football with exotic blitzes and nonstop pressure.[/b] If anyone is on an island, it's Nnamdi. Asomugha is accomplishing similar feats to Revis, but he is doing so alone. Nnamdi gets little to no safety help during games while Revis gets help from ten other respectable defensive players. Revis is great, but football is an 11-on-11 sport. He's not the only reason the Jets were the best defense in football. The fact that Asomugha can be in the discussion while on the Raiders should speak for itself.

If the Raiders had made it to the AFC Championship Game, every one would be talking about Asomugha the way people talk about Revis. The spotlight is always going to be placed on the best player on the winning team, unfortunately. You see that in the MVP voting. Look at Chris Johnson's year last season...did his team make the playoffs? Nope, but Manning's did. An overall team's success is often paired with the success of individual players, but again, this is a team sport gentlemen. That's why on a team with no recent success, Nnamdi should be given that much more credit. /thread.
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No, Revis helps make all that happen. I explained a bunch of times earlier how Revis is the one that enables his defense to be better. Rex wouldn't blitz as much if he wasn't sure that his secondary could handle things the way they did all of last season. And the reason #2 and 3 receivers don't have success against the Jets is because Revis is so good at shutting down #1s by himself that it allows for the rest of the secondary to secure things elsewhere.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1282284094' post='454642']
No, Revis helps make all that happen. I explained a bunch of times earlier how Revis is the one that enables his defense to be better. Rex wouldn't blitz as much if he wasn't sure that his secondary could handle things the way they did all of last season. And the reason #2 and 3 receivers don't have success against the Jets is because Revis is so good at shutting down #1s by himself that it allows for the rest of the secondary to secure things elsewhere.
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Refer to my last post. It would be ignorance to say Revis is solely responsible for the success of Ryan's defense. Yes, "Revis helps make all that happen", but so do the 10 other players on the field. I'm much more impressed by what Nnamdi does on a bad defense.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Okay... so what you're telling me that by successfully, single-handedly, shutting down one side of the field doesn't make the entire defense better? Aso's ability doesn't turn the entire defense into an elite unit, but it [i]does[/i] make the defense better.

Saying Aso's reputation is over-rated is absurd and ridiculous. You tell me one other cornerback that quarterbacks straight up refuse to throw to like they do Aso. If Aso was thrown to a hundred times (111 to be exact from last year) a year like Revis and he'd walk away with 30 plus deflections and and double digit picks.

And the fact that teams test Revis (111 times in 2009) so much more than Aso (27 times in 2009), to me, speaks volumes to Revis' reputation in comparison to Aso's. I mean, c'mon, Revis has been thrown at more in one season than Aso's been in three season (85 times) with room to spare.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='DrMoonTooth' timestamp='1282284052' post='454641']
I'm trying my hardest not to intervene, but I must on this one sentence. The saying "Revis makes the entire Jets D better" is a double-edged sword, my friend. The Jets D also makes Revis better. I'm not sure how you can say Aso doesn't make the entire Raiders D better when he IS the Raiders D. But in Asomugha's case, there is no double-edged sword. [b]To say the Raiders D makes Nnamdi better would be ridiculous, which only strengthens an argument for Asomugha.[/b][/quote]
Yeah and to say the Jets D makes Revis better only strenghens an argument for Revis, doesn't it.