Penalty Meltdown

[Ravenseconbeast]

I know its only just a pre-season. But I justed checked the stats in nfl.com in penalty yardage and Ravens are ranked #1 in PENALTY.
(among week 1&2 games so far...)


Why do I have a feeling this penalty situation feels alot like last season?

All the penalties comes just when we make big plays (interception from Jimmy Clausen), 3rd down 25 yard pass (suggs jumps around).

We got 55+ yard penalty in this game. Last year we were ranked #2 in most penalty.


John Harbaugh (i know he can't hear me but..), can you please make some adjustment this year??? Come on man, this is giving fans a HEADACHE.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1282085271' post='453325']
I know its only just a pre-season. But I justed checked the stats in nfl.com in penalty yardage and Ravens are ranked #1 in PENALTY.
among week 1&2 games so far...)


Why do I have a feeling this penalty situation feels alot like last season?

All I penalties comes just when we make big plays (interception from Jimmy Clausen), 3rd down 25 yard pass (suggs jumps around).

We got 55+ yard penalty in this game. Last year we were ranked #2 in most penalty.


John Harbaugh (i know he can't hear me but..), can you please make some adjustment this year??? Come on man, this is giving fans a HEADACHE.
[/quote]
First, it's only a preseason game. Second, Harbs can make all the adjustments necessary, but ultimately the penalties lie on the players shoulders - not the coach

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' timestamp='1282085490' post='453327']
First, it's only a preseason game. Second, Harbs can make all the adjustments necessary, but ultimately the penalties lie on the players shoulders - not the coach
[/quote]

Agreed. To add to that, Harbaugh brought in referees for training camp to make the players more conscious of not committing penalties. The players have to not only play with better technique but be more disciplined.

[gilgamesh]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1282085271' post='453325']
I know its only just a pre-season. But I justed checked the stats in nfl.com in penalty yardage and Ravens are ranked #1 in PENALTY.
(among week 1&2 games so far...)


Why do I have a feeling this penalty situation feels alot like last season?

All the penalties comes just when we make big plays (interception from Jimmy Clausen), 3rd down 25 yard pass (suggs jumps around).

We got 55+ yard penalty in this game. Last year we were ranked #2 in most penalty.


John Harbaugh (i know he can't hear me but..), can you please make some adjustment this year??? Come on man, this is giving fans a HEADACHE.
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How were we ranked the worst? We are 15th in penalty yards with only 55. In 2 games, Cincy has almost 200 yards, and Jacksonville had two less penalties than us but over twice as many yards. I do see an improvement in our penalties, still not top ten, but not horrible like last year.

[Malkavian Raven]

Watching the game, the penalty situation didn't stand out in my mind. Sure, there were some, I wasn't blind -- but nothing to be too concerned with. Suggs jumping offsides was the big one for me -- but the man is HUNGRY for some QB Meat. He looked good aside from that fact. Our pass rush looked good.

As for everything else, Cody isn't going to be a full-time fullback -- so that's negated in my mind. The others, can't even remember them.. that's how important they were.

On another note, it's nice to see they finally moved the Umpire to the offensive side of the line (best change all off-season!). Now, if he can just stay out of the way of those HB Screen passes.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='gilgamesh' timestamp='1282088269' post='453348']
How were we ranked the worst? We are 15th in penalty yards with only 55. In 2 games, Cincy has almost 200 yards, and Jacksonville had two less penalties than us but over twice as many yards. I do see an improvement in our penalties, still not top ten, but not horrible like last year.
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Just where did you get those numbers? Check your stats again bro.

The biggest problem last year was : Cornerbacks, Penalties.

For some reason, we didn't address either of them. Wouldn't it be nice to see some good news about either of these issue about right now?

[gilgamesh]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1282099167' post='453439']
Just where did you get those numbers? Check your stats again bro.

The biggest problem last year was : Cornerbacks, Penalties.

For some reason, we didn't address either of them. Wouldn't it be nice to see some good news about either of these issue about right now?
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[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2010&seasonType=PRE&d-447263-o=2&conference=ALL&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PENALTIES_YARDS_PENALIZED&d-447263-n=1"]This is where I got my stats.[/url]
It says 55 yards is middle of the pack in penalty yardage. There are 15 teams that were as bad or worse than us. That is good news, much better than worst like last year.

[Bradley Mills]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1282099167' post='453439']
Just where did you get those numbers? Check your stats again bro.

The biggest problem last year was : Cornerbacks, Penalties.

For some reason, we didn't address either of them. Wouldn't it be nice to see some good news about either of these issue about right now?
[/quote]
ok BRO big thing there are cornerbacks were pretty damn good if not at least decent in preseason. Second how many pass interference calls did we have in preseason? Exactly I would say for the most part both of those are fixed.

Also, let's consider the big problem last year pass interference penalties. I remember having a few games where one of those would cost us close to 50 yards. So being that a few penalties ended up being 55yards where one of them came from Cody as a FB and a portion of them from 3rd strings who won't play much. I consider us to be just fine. I don't think you can find a game last year either where a team didn't have any penalties.

[Malkavian Raven]

Oooh, I get it... so Ravenseconbeast, Gilgamesh & Bradley Mills are all brothers. It all makes sense now.

You guys were throwing me off with the "bro" stuff.

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1282099167' post='453439']
Just where did you get those numbers? Check your stats again bro.

The biggest problem last year was : Cornerbacks, Penalties.

For some reason, we didn't address either of them. Wouldn't it be nice to see some good news about either of these issue about right now?
[/quote]


[quote name='gilgamesh' timestamp='1282100189' post='453450']
[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2010&seasonType=PRE&d-447263-o=2&conference=ALL&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PENALTIES_YARDS_PENALIZED&d-447263-n=1"]This is where I got my stats.[/url]
It says 55 yards is middle of the pack in penalty yardage. There are 15 teams that were as bad or worse than us. That is good news, much better than worst like last year.
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PWNED

This thread is stupid, can we at least wait the regular season starts before complaining and calling out the coaches? It's been ONE PRESEASON GAME.

[Malkavian Raven]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' timestamp='1282101234' post='453462']
PWNED

This thread is stupid, can we at least wait the regular season starts before complaining and calling out the coaches? It's been ONE PRESEASON GAME.
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Hey bro!

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='Malkavian Raven' timestamp='1282101276' post='453463']
Hey bro!
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yo bro chill you're crampin up my brolaxation

[Purple Nurple]

Fist pumps

[-Truth-]

[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2010&seasonType=PRE&d-447263-o=2&conference=ALL&tabSeq=2&role=OPP&statisticCategory=GAME_STATS&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PENALTIES_YARDS_PENALIZED&d-447263-n=1"]Defensive Penalties[/url]

[url="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&archive=false&seasonType=PRE&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=PENALTIES_YARDS_PENALIZED&d-447263-n=1&season=2010&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1"]Offensive Penalties[/url]

We're 15th Offensively and 10th on Defense in terms of Penalty Yards. Nowhere am I seeing us even cracking the Top 10. By the way, does anybody want the services of a brostitute? I'll let you beat me in Madden for only $25 an hour.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1282085271' post='453325']
I know its only just a pre-season. But I justed checked the stats in nfl.com in penalty yardage and Ravens are ranked #1 in PENALTY.
(among week 1&2 games so far...)


Why do I have a feeling this penalty situation feels alot like last season?

All the penalties comes just when we make big plays (interception from Jimmy Clausen), 3rd down 25 yard pass (suggs jumps around).

We got 55+ yard penalty in this game. Last year we were ranked #2 in most penalty.


John Harbaugh (i know he can't hear me but..), can you please make some adjustment this year??? Come on man, this is giving fans a HEADACHE.
[/quote]

Look. This has NOTHING to do with the players. There is a national bias against Baltimore. I'm not even talking about sports, specifically. We talk too fast for the south and west, and we're too grimey for the North.

The simple fact, and clear history, is that the officials and the NFL in general do not treat the Ravens the same way they treat most other teams in the league. The Ravens are going to get flags thrown, no matter who is playing. You act like the penalties only came when Frank Walker started playing for the Ravens. That's just not true.

Even in the first preseason game, I believe it was Stallworth who was clearly interfered with on a route... the ball came to him... and nothing was thrown. Not only do the Ravens get a ton of flags thrown against them, but they routinely do NOT get flags thrown against the team who they are playing that day.

It's not "2009 all over again." It's simply just another year of Ravens getting cheated.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='Malkavian Raven' timestamp='1282097735' post='453428']
Watching the game, the penalty situation didn't stand out in my mind. Sure, there were some, I wasn't blind -- but nothing to be too concerned with. [b]Suggs jumping offsides was the big one for me[/b] -- but the man is HUNGRY for some QB Meat. He looked good aside from that fact. Our pass rush looked good.

As for everything else, Cody isn't going to be a full-time fullback -- so that's negated in my mind. The others, can't even remember them.. that's how important they were.

On another note, it's nice to see they finally moved the Umpire to the offensive side of the line (best change all off-season!). Now, if he can just stay out of the way of those HB Screen passes.
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If Suggs jumping off sides was the biggest problem for you, then you didn't really have a problem at all because Suggs wasn't offside on that first play.

If you are able to go back and look at the game again, you'll see that Suggs just got a great jump. If you look closely, Suggs and the Center moved at the exact same time but he never actually took that first step across the LOS until Moore(QB) had the ball in his hands.

After i was able to look at the play over again, i just chalked it up to Suggs being in mid season form. It just looked off to the naked eye at full speed because Suggs fired off so quickly. I guess it' preseason for the refs too.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1282109887' post='453516']
Look. This has NOTHING to do with the players. [size="5"][b]There is a national bias against Baltimore. [/b][/size][size="5"][b] I'm not even talking about sports, specifically. [/b][/size][size="5"][b]We talk too fast for the south and west, and we're too grimey for the North.[/b][/size]

The simple fact, and clear history, is that the officials and the NFL in general do not treat the Ravens the same way they treat most other teams in the league. The Ravens are going to get flags thrown, no matter who is playing. You act like the penalties only came when Frank Walker started playing for the Ravens. That's just not true.

Even in the first preseason game, I believe it was Stallworth who was clearly interfered with on a route... the ball came to him... and nothing was thrown. Not only do the Ravens get a ton of flags thrown against them, but they routinely do NOT get flags thrown against the team who they are playing that day.

It's not "2009 all over again." It's simply just another year of Ravens getting cheated.
[/quote]

Damn......just, damn.

you're full of ****.

[Ravensfan23]

Also a lot of penalties come from the refs mistakes. Judgement calls can go either way. For example, Edgar Jones wraps the QB up around the waist and takes him to the ground like he's suppose to do and he's called for roughing the passer.

Troy Smith is hit in his helmet by a defender and nothing is called.

Another example of this is, Edgar Jones jumping offsides. He jumped, nobody on the offense moved, Jones got back across the line of scrimmage and reset himself, then a full second and a half latter the flag comes out.

That was a call that didn't have to be made because Jones didn't affect the offense in one bit when he jumped. He didn't touch anybody or cause anybody to move. He just jumped and get back, but the reg decided to throw the flag.

Little things like this made up the Ravens penalties in the first game. I don't think it's too much to be worried about.

[PuRock]

Stop touching me Bro!

I checked the NFL.com stats and saw that we are #15 as well. We aren't too bad in preseason penalties. Not as bad as some of those teams. Bengals have over 200+ penalty yards in two games. That's pretty bad.

Penalties are always a concern. But that comes with the territory with the level of players at certain positions. We are once again going into the season with a weaker than average CB position. It's not crazy to think we might see our fair share of PI calls again. Because our talent doesn't always match the talent of the WR's.

[lowrider]

"Don't taze me bro!"

I actually think that this is kind of a big deal. Yes it was one preseason game. But I didn't see any signs of improvement on regards to the penalties. And Penalities aren't something that just disappear and get better. It requires dicipline which is something that is hard to learn.

Penalities killed us last year. Penalities and kicking alone, lost us a few games. Seems like kicking has improved. Hopefully things can change next game for penalities.

[funky141]

[quote]Even in the first preseason game, I believe it was Stallworth who was clearly interfered with on a route... the ball came to him... and nothing was thrown. Not only do the Ravens get a ton of flags thrown against them, but they routinely do NOT get flags thrown against the team who they are playing that day.

It's not "2009 all over again." It's simply just another year of Ravens getting cheated. [/quote]

Sure

[lowrider]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1282143889' post='453640']
Sure
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I agree with you. The logic of "everyone is out to get us" is stupid. Yes some calls are bad, but bad calls don't happen just to the Ravens. The world is not out to get the Ravens. But I bet you the fact that the Ravens players always get called for penalities they do make and then they yell and scream at the refs don't help their cause to get a call. Biting the hand that feeds is never a good idea.

[EdReedFTW]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' timestamp='1282101460' post='453464']
yo bro chill you're crampin up my brolaxation
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[Malkavian Raven]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1282110385' post='453519']
If Suggs jumping off sides was the biggest problem for you, then you didn't really have a problem at all because Suggs wasn't offside on that first play.

If you are able to go back and look at the game again, you'll see that Suggs just got a great jump. If you look closely, Suggs and the Center moved at the exact same time but he never actually took that first step across the LOS until Moore(QB) had the ball in his hands.

After i was able to look at the play over again, i just chalked it up to Suggs being in mid season form. It just looked off to the naked eye at full speed because Suggs fired off so quickly. I guess it' preseason for the refs too.
[/quote]

LOL! You said "naked".

Doesn't matter what the replay shows; wonder if they'll ever allow coaches to red flag penalties.

[kagejb]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1282111152' post='453527']
Also a lot of penalties come from the refs mistakes. Judgement calls can go either way. For example, Edgar Jones wraps the QB up around the waist and takes him to the ground like he's suppose to do and he's called for roughing the passer.

Troy Smith is hit in his helmet by a defender and nothing is called.

Another example of this is, Edgar Jones jumping offsides. [b]He jumped, nobody on the offense moved, Jones got back across the line of scrimmage and reset himself, then a full second and a half latter the flag comes out.[/b]

That was a call that didn't have to be made because Jones didn't affect the offense in one bit when he jumped. He didn't touch anybody or cause anybody to move. He just jumped and get back, but the reg decided to throw the flag.

Little things like this made up the Ravens penalties in the first game. I don't think it's too much to be worried about.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding was when you go over the LOS before the snap, it's a neutral zone infraction, and costs as much as a offsides penalty, which is five yards. I remember him being called on the neutral zone infraction, not offsides.

Again, please correct me if I was wrong.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='kagejb' timestamp='1282177423' post='453947']
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding was when you go over the LOS before the snap, it's a neutral zone infraction, and costs as much as a offsides penalty, which is five yards. I remember him being called on the neutral zone infraction, not offsides.

Again, please correct me if I was wrong.
[/quote]

I could be wrong as well, but a defender is allowed to cross the LOS without penalty as long as he doesn't come in contact with a offensive player or cause any player on the offensive side of the ball to move.

On this play with 58 seconds remaining in the Half. Jones jump into the neutral zone, nobody on the offense moved and he didn't touch anyone. He got back across the line, and was allowed to reset before the ref decided to throw the flag.

Like i said before, it was the first game of the preseason for the refs as well so it wasn't a big deal, just trying to show why the amount of penalties we had wasn't really that important