Tony Dungy Bashes Rex Ryan's "potty Mouth"

[Shawn`]

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[font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"][quote][/font][font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"]Dungy said Ryan is trying to endear himself to his players, but the potty talk, the former Buccaneers and Colts head coach believes, is unnecessary to achieve that goal.[/font]
[font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"]“I think Rex can make his points without all that,” Dungy said. “I think that’s a lot of who he is. His dad ([b]Buddy Ryan[/b]) was the same way and coached the same way.”[/quote] [/font]
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[font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"]Tony Dungy when asked if Roger Goodell should intervene:[/font]
[font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"][quote][/font][font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"]“I would hope he does,” Dungy said. “I don’t know that he will or not. I don’t think the league needs that. I don’t think our young people need to hear that that’s the way it’s done to be successful because it doesn’t have to be that way.”[/font][font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"][/quote][/font]
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[font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"]I'm going to have to oppose Dungy on this matter.[/font]
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[font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"]First of all, there's no such thing as a "bad" or "good" word, it's illogical and even slightly immature to think that. Words are used to convey a message so even bleeping out a word (ex: ****) gets the point across. It's all about the context in what the word is used which gives it a positive or negative connotation. I really don't see how or why Goodell would discipline Ryan based on the words he chooses to use especially when he has a right to express himself however he wants under the first amendment.[/font]
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[font="arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif"]I understand that Rex represents the NFL but is the use of "foul" language really grounds for discipline?
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[Moderator 3]

You don't have a First Amendment right to be offensive. Try using that language on your boss/staff and see how long you last. Why should the NFL be different? It's a workplace environment.

[Jay D83]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1282074478' post='453246']
You don't have a First Amendment right to be offensive. Try using that language on your boss/staff and see how long you last. Why should the NFL be different? It's a workplace environment.
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Not only that, but the kids are watching...it's definitely disrespectful.

[PSU RAVEN]

I think it depends on the culture and the context.

To drop F-bombs in a news conference is not appropriate but in the locker room or sideline it may well be perfectly acceptable.

I was in the Army for 15 years and cursing was a very effective way of commnicating urgency or emotion.

If I said "dig a fox hole" the squad knew to take care of it sometime today. As opposed to "dig the ******* foxhole" (within the hour)
or
"get your a&* over here and dig the f*&^%&*& foxhole.(drop everything and get it done right away)"

IMO Dungy should spend more time worrying about the troubled players he is supposed to mentor, rather than head coaches who are actually adding some personality to the all too predictable coach speak/ cliches we hear churned out week after week.

[lowrider]

[quote name='PSU RAVEN' timestamp='1282076447' post='453260']
I think it depends on the culture and the context.

To drop F-bombs in a news conference is not appropriate but in the locker room or sideline it may well be perfectly acceptable.

I was in the Army for 15 years and cursing was a very effective way of commnicating urgency or emotion.

If I said "dig a fox hole" the squad knew to take care of it sometime today. As opposed to "dig the ******* foxhole" (within the hour)
or
"get your a&* over here and dig the f*&^%&*& foxhole.(drop everything and get it done right away)"

IMO Dungy should spend more time worrying about the troubled players he is supposed to mentor, rather than head coaches who are actually adding some personality to the all too predictable coach speak/ cliches we hear churned out week after week.
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I'm feeling very similiar feelings towards this situation. There is swearing in football. When I was in 5th grade, I got cursed at on a daily basis when I played football (probably because I didn't understand any rules of football or what I was doing....minor detail), but I hate how football is turning into a business setting and becoming more serious.

Like how there are no team celebrations for touchdowns or stuff like that. I pay money to be entertained. I listen to rap with cursing on it. I watch Flavor of Love because I love watching people swear and yell at each other. And I watch football to see Ocho do funny things in the endzone, and coaches curse at refs. Until they play out in the field in suits, then being professional and proper isn't that important to me. It is to an EXTENT. But seriously, why did Randy Moss get fined for "mooning" the green bay fans. Hilarious.

[PSU RAVEN]

I follow college football a lot and one of my favorite coaches is Steve Spurrier b/c he does not sound like one of those coaching androids like Caldwell, Dungy, or Coughlin.

Here is one gem,
When told of the dorm fire at Auburn that burned 20+ text books his retort was that the real tragedy was that 15 of them hadn't been colored in yet.

[MagicianCamille]

There's nothing wrong with cursing football coaches, the only reason this is even being talked about is because Hard Knocks is filming them. The NFL knew and allowed this, they knew what kind of guy Rex Ryan is. Any intervention on their part would be hypocritical, because they allowed the situation in the first place.

Tony Dungy is a great man and I respect him immensely, but he's got more important things to focus on than Rex Ryan's potty mouth.

[Guest Maryland1]

[quote name='PSU RAVEN' timestamp='1282076447' post='453260']

I was in the Army for 15 years and cursing was a very effective way of commnicating urgency or emotion.
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I was in the US Air Force for over 22 years. I didn't find the need to swear/curse when giving orders to airmen to express urgency or emotion for them to understand what I wanted done, to what level/extent/quality/etc, and when it was to be done or accomplished by. Swearing/cursing to subordinates doesn't make you a good or effective leader, set an example for others to follow, or follow the creed of "professionalism in all we do."

I realize that in a combat zone, with tensions and adrenaline running high, the tone and choice of words used digresses and results in swearing/cursing used to express urgency and emotion (as well as other things).

[AsianRice]

I think profanity should be used more appropriately. Everyone once in a lifetime drops a "F" bomb or possibly more, but you can't just curse everywhere you go. Especially, if you are a parent, you supposedly set examples for your kids, not teaching them how to say profane words. Even if you are single, you should have common sense when not to use profane words. That is what we go to school for, showing respect for others.

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[BrownsFan]

Dungy has a right to his opinion and if he doesn't prefer using curse words than that's his call. If Ryan does then that's his call too. It's sports.. cursing happens a lot.

[Moderator 3]

I don't believe the issue is that Rex curses but that he does it to such an extent, especially on TV. We all know that a well placed expletive can be very effective. A constant stream of profanity both loses its effectiveness and tends to make the listener tune out. It also reflects poorly on the curser, being both unprofessional and showing a lack of ability to express himself otherwise. In this case, it also reflects poorly on the NFL since the TV show is sanctioned. Most coaches will curse sometimes, but to do it to the degree that Rex does is not appropriate. He needs to demonstrate better leadership skills real soon or he will end up losing the team. They will simply stop "hearing" him.

[Moderator 2]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1282108491' post='453506']
I think profanity should be used more appropriately. Everyone once in a lifetime drops a "F" bomb or possibly more, but you can't just curse everywhere you go. [b]Especially, if you are a parent, you supposedly set examples for your kids, not teaching them how to say profane words.[/b] Even if you are single, you should have common sense when not to use profane words. That is what we go to school for, showing respect for others.

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Thankyou! I can curse up a blue streak with the best of them but gave it up when I became a mom(except when the Ravens Offense is on the field!)
We had this teenager across the street who had a kid and everyother word out of her mouth was a curse word and naturally her son picked up her way of speaking and got kicked out of pre-school because it was rubbing off on the class--there is a time and place for every thing. Rexy and Billick always had potty mouths.

[PuRock]

I have a potty mouth. Something I'm always trying to work. Rex should try the same. It builds better character w/o it.

[Clutch Ravens]

Expanding one's vocabulary is a good way to avoid too much profanity.

Worked for me, now I only swear when watching sports/get annoyed.

[PSU RAVEN]

[quote name='Maryland1' timestamp='1282101678' post='453467']
I was in the US Air Force for over 22 years. I didn't find the need to swear/curse when giving orders to airmen to express urgency or emotion for them .
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My point is that depending on the culture cursing may very well be accepted.

I do not doubt that there are many differences between the Army and Air Force, one of which based on your comments must be acceptable language.

What I can say is that from basic training to airborne school to active duty and then to reserves one of the constants of an Infantry unit was the use of swearing. It does not make right and it does not make wrong, but that is how it is.

[Alexir]

No offense but Tony Dungy really shouldn't get into other people's matters and worry about himself . I mean didn't his son overdose on drugs and end up dying....Not trying to be cold but seriously...he needs to let Rex be Rex and he needs to worry about his own world.

[PSU RAVEN]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1282170231' post='453909']
No offense but Tony Dungy really shouldn't get into other people's matters and worry about himself . I mean didn't his son overdose on drugs and end up dying....Not trying to be cold but seriously...he needs to let Rex be Rex and he needs to worry about his own world.
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What I find funny is that Dungy has come out much more critical of Rex than he ever has about Vick or any other NFL person who has [u]actually done something illegal[/u].

[kagejb]

Rex is seen by millions of people all over, including children. He should at least watch his mouth around cameras.

Thanks for serving by the way.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1282074478' post='453246']You don't have a First Amendment right to be offensive.  Try using that language on your boss/staff and see how long you last.  Why should the NFL be different?  It's a workplace environment.<br />[/quote]

Freedom of speech includes being an obnoxious *** if you so choose...just like we have the choice to not view/listen to said obnoxious ***...
That said, I really dont have a problem with Rex. I love his personality, whether in a purple or green uni..

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1282170231' post='453909']<br />No offense but Tony Dungy really shouldn't get into other people's matters and worry about himself . I mean didn't his son overdose on drugs and end up dying....Not trying to be cold but seriously...he needs to let Rex be Rex and he needs to worry about his own world.<br />[/quote]


wurd...
At least Rex has a personality to bash.

[flynismo]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1282151243' post='453703']<br />I have a potty mouth.  Something I'm always trying to work.  Rex should try the same.  It builds better character w/o it.<br />[/quote]


I have no filter whatsoever, lol...but I dont think that makes you or I any less of a person. My three boys are a testament to my character, not my sensitivity to those with more sensitive ears...

[lowrider]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1282269117' post='454553']
I have no filter whatsoever, lol...but I dont think that makes you or I any less of a person. My three boys are a testament to my character, not my sensitivity to those with more sensitive ears...
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I like to tend to agree with you. Unfortunately I am forced to go to a Christian College. Where I am the only one without sensitive ears.... For some reason I'm not the most popular guy there.

[BloodRaven]

I don't think Ryan gets it, it's not about good or bad, it's about public perception and being a role model when in the public eye. You don't have to cuss like a rapper to get your point across.

[jetsknicks1]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1282108491' post='453506']
I think profanity should be used more appropriately. Everyone once in a lifetime drops a "F" bomb or possibly more, but you can't just curse everywhere you go. Especially, if you are a parent, you supposedly set examples for your kids, not teaching them how to say profane words. Even if you are single, you should have common sense when not to use profane words. That is what we go to school for, showing respect for others.

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I am obviously biased about this and I'm not here to troll, just dropping by, getting ready for the season opener. It's not like Rex was walking through the grocery store cursing up a storm in front of every man, woman & child walking by . It was said in a meeting room full of adults. Yes, it was on TV and some kids could've heard it but it's up to parents to make sure their kids aren't exposed to content they find objectionable.

[Malkavian Raven]

The television & the remote both come with the following available options:

Power Off
Channel Up
Channel Down
Parental Locks

If all those options fail, there is a "master reset" function, to activate -- you simply pull the power cord from the wall.

I've yet to watch one episode of Hard Knocks this season, for the simple fact, couldn't care less. If you're offended, shut it off.

On a side note, I'm the kind of person that if someone is being ridiculous with their mouth in a highly public place -- I'm not afraid to march right up to them & speak my mind. I actually got applauded once inside a McDonald's when three teenagers thought they were being cool dropping "F" bombs.

[flynismo]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1282309917' post='454711']<br />I like to tend to agree with you.  Unfortunately I am forced to go to a Christian College. Where I am the only one without sensitive ears....  For some reason I'm not the most popular guy there.[/quote]


I thought xians are taught to show extra love to the sinner, lol...but going to a christian college does force you to keep in mind that there is a time and place for everything. Which I guess is the whole point behind Dungy's comments (who is also a devout xian, btw).

[TheRavenouseD2008]

ok please people stop bashing people for wanting clean language , the Lacksidasical conformity to a work place I admit for a long time I had a bad mouth I have curbed it more and more since becoming a dad , the reason because I dont want my daughter growing up like I did . Profanity realy shows the intellect and Respect you have for some one. the language you use shows many things including a demeanor that may or may not be overly hostile or overly passive you can be Direct without being profane you can convey emotion with out profanity . Personaly if I got to a mcdonalds and hear a manager cursing at the employees or customers I call the customer service line After saying something in a Calm and Dignified manor . Do we all get mad yes , do we have the right to teach children its ok to make the air dirtier then New Jersey with our words No. in my mind rex is only adding to the already poluted air in NJ. maybe the EPA can get him lol

[Gtown Purple]

While I'm not completely immune to swearing i do think it has it's time and place. Rex knew full well he had cameras on him so I think it would have been apropriate to clean it up some.

[Ravens Lover]

I hope Rex gets a word from Goodell there is no reason in a simple press confrence woth games that don't even matter

[flynismo]

[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' timestamp='1282582192' post='456733']ok please people stop bashing people for wanting clean language ,  the Lacksidasical conformity to a work place I admit for a long time I had a bad mouth I have curbed it more and more since becoming  a dad , the reason because I dont want my daughter growing up like I did . Profanity realy shows the intellect and Respect you have for some one. the language you use shows many things including a demeanor that may or may not be overly hostile or overly passive you can be Direct without being profane you can convey emotion with out profanity .  Personaly if I got to a mcdonalds and hear a manager cursing at the employees or customers I call the customer service line After saying something in a Calm and Dignified manor . Do we all get mad yes , do we have the right to teach children its ok to make the air dirtier then New Jersey with our words No. in my mind rex is only adding to the already poluted air in NJ. maybe the EPA can get him lol[/quote]


I dont think I saw anyone bashing anyone else on their opinions...

In the workplace, with some exceptions, you are expected to keep the sailor talk at home...which is fine by me. I dont want to see a commercial from Microsoft telling you not to use Apple because it effing sucks. If people dont like Rex's language, I dont have a problem with that, it is understandable. Personally I find him amusing, but that's me.

But to play devil's advocate, I dont think you can judge a person just because they are liberal with the f-bomb or they swear if they're angry or upset or whatever. What does it REALLY tell you about them?
Does it make them seem unintelligent or uneducated? I'd hope not, because that would be a really silly thing to say.
Does it make them seem less 'classy' or dignified? So what, who really cares about that..I know I really could care less what random people think about me, I'm secure with who I am...at any rate, I would argue that one's morals and social aptitude plays a much bigger role in what defines class and dignity.
Does it make them seem incapable of communicating their thoughts/emotions? Maybe...or maybe it is their way of communicating a thought/idea/emotion. The thought/idea/emotion is what makes a person who he/she is, that does not change regardless of how it is presented. In other words, listen to what is really being said, rather than focusing on how it is worded.
Does it make them seem less respectful to others? Guess that depends on the context on how its used...it certainly could. But if someone gets offended if I say 'Shiz!' when I stub my toe, then they are the one with the problem, not me

And no, I'm not advocating foul language! However, I think people make a bigger deal out of it than it actually is.