Kruger Is A Beast

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1282258945' post='454501']
You missed every one of his 4 tackles, and were under the impression that he didn't record a single statistic, even with the game stats readily available on several websites. Then when you were informed that he actually had 1 and 1/2 sacks, as opposed to the self-proclaimed 0, you replied that you simply didn't care. Tell me, which of the two actually involve reason? Look, I'm not exactly on the Paul Kruger bandwagon as of yet. But a player who was only active in 9 games during all of last year didn't exactly have a plethora of plays to worth in outside of practice. I'm just confused how an observer could brutally critique a player he was obviously not watching.
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2nd round pick 2nd year playing with the two's and just looking average in my personal opinion is not worth mentioning As of yet. I'm not saying he's not taking strides, or that its not in him to be a beast, because i can see that. All I'm saying is not yet.

[lowrider]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1282291301' post='454688']
2nd round pick 2nd year playing with the two's and just looking average in my personal opinion is not worth mentioning As of yet. I'm not saying he's not taking strides, or that its not in him to be a beast, because i can see that. All I'm saying is not yet.
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And all I'm saying is there has been no fact or rationality to your reasoning yet. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but if their opinion has no fact or truth behind it then I cannont respect the person's opinion. Like -Truth- said, from your statements before I'm not even sure if you watched the game. Or maybe you were confused. We were the team wearing purple and white pants, and they were wearing white...

[BloodRaven]

Who cares what his stats were or weren't? he's improved dramatically and I think it's fair to say he won't be a healthy scratch again this season.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1282291301' post='454688']
2nd round pick 2nd year playing with the two's and just looking average in my personal opinion is not worth mentioning As of yet. I'm not saying he's not taking strides, or that its not in him to be a beast, because i can see that. All I'm saying is not yet.
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You're [b]not[/b] saying he's not making strides?

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1282250905' post='454416']
Question- can a player really make those kinds of leaps in his play in such lil time.....hmmmm. Come on Harbs..... Really
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In order for somebody to look average, you have to actually be looking at them. Your opinion wouldn't be as scrutinized if you didn't sound as if you were watching another game, nevermind another player.

To quote James Walker from ESPN, "Switching Paul Kruger to full-time defensive end and adding bulk is already paying dividends. Kruger looks more powerful and explosive this summer. The second-round pick was drafted as a linebacker/defensive end hybrid and couldn't find a role on the team his rookie year. Now he's more productive focusing on one position."

Yet explosive = slow and powerful = no bullrush.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1282319351' post='454781']
You're [b]not[/b] saying he's not making strides?



In order for somebody to look average, you have to actually be looking at them. Your opinion wouldn't be as scrutinized if you didn't sound as if you were watching another game, nevermind another player.

To quote James Walker from ESPN, "Switching Paul Kruger to full-time defensive end and adding bulk is already paying dividends. Kruger looks more powerful and explosive this summer. The second-round pick was drafted as a linebacker/defensive end hybrid and couldn't find a role on the team his rookie year. Now he's more productive focusing on one position."

[b]Yet explosive = slow and powerful = no bullrush.[/b]
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Wut

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1282319351' post='454781']
You're [b]not[/b] saying he's not making strides?



In order for somebody to look average, you have to actually be looking at them. Your opinion wouldn't be as scrutinized if you didn't sound as if you were watching another game, nevermind another player.

To quote James Walker from ESPN, "Switching Paul Kruger to full-time defensive end and adding bulk is already paying dividends. Kruger looks more powerful and explosive this summer. The second-round pick was drafted as a linebacker/defensive end hybrid and couldn't find a role on the team his rookie year. Now he's more productive focusing on one position."

Yet explosive = slow and powerful = no bullrush.
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Ok this is getting a li boring the game is on tomorrow against the skins with an average offensive line at best. I will be watching Kruger the entire time. I want you all to do the same yall kill me with calling people beast right away and singing praises to guys that can't get on the field. Im moving on from this topic i hope all of you are right and im the goat. But trust me its gonna be a long time before we see a nightmare on Russell street.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1282319351' post='454781']
You're [b]not[/b] saying he's not making strides?



In order for somebody to look average, you have to actually be looking at them. Your opinion wouldn't be as scrutinized if you didn't sound as if you were watching another game, nevermind another player.

To quote James Walker from ESPN, "Switching Paul Kruger to full-time defensive end and adding bulk is already paying dividends. Kruger looks more powerful and explosive this summer. The second-round pick was drafted as a linebacker/defensive end hybrid and couldn't find a role on the team his rookie year. Now he's more productive focusing on one position."

Yet explosive = slow and powerful = no bullrush.
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what i was saying was 3-4 days of practice and now he is a beast man please. Ill let you know when he wears that badge how about that. Some of you all you see is stats. So what.. i like to watch how a player impacts the game. Is he winning one on ones do they have to bring help to get him blocked. Stuff like that makes you a beast. While someone like Kruger will clean it up the play may have been made on the other side or in the middle. I respect the commitment he has made to get better but he still has a long way to go.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1282321984' post='454795']
Wut
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He stated that Kruger is slow and that his Bullrush is practically nonexistent, while actual reports indicate that he's explosive, and shows power while rushing the passer.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1282323471' post='454809']
what i was saying was 3-4 days of practice and now he is a beast man please. Ill let you know when he wears that badge how about that. Some of you all you see is stats. So what.. i like to watch how a player impacts the game. Is he winning one on ones do they have to bring help to get him blocked. Stuff like that makes you a beast. While someone like Kruger will clean it up the play may have been made on the other side or in the middle. I respect the commitment he has made to get better but he still has a long way to go.
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So how exactly did you watch his performances in one on one match-ups without seeing a single one of his tackles/sacks? Please don't set up a parachute by berating the Redskins Offensive Line. They traded for a Pro Bowl Tackle and drafted another with a Top 5 selection. Is Paul Kruger a beast? Not yet, as he'd be in the starting line up. But it's also becoming increasingly clear that he likely is neither slow nor without a decent pass rush. You're not leaving this thread because it's boring you. You're leaving because you haven't thrown a decent fact into any of your arguments. Chances are, you'll be back with a vengeance after the Redskins game in order to finally degrade a 2nd/3rd string DE with a critique of his actual performance in a limited amount of snaps. See you Saturday.

[Ed_Reed20]

[Bltravens]

Said it before but Kruger has a good chance as his career goes on to be a Brett Keisel/Aaron Smith kind of player for us, hard working lunch pail guy, pushes the pocket, stops the run, doesnt get alot of stats but is a big part of the defense.

Edit- I will not however get into the "beast" debate...reminds me of a certain 3-4/4-3 thread argument that lasted for a week and went to 18 pages.

[flynismo]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1282323098' post='454803']<br />Ok this is getting a li boring the game is on tomorrow against the skins with an average offensive line at best.  I will be watching Kruger the entire time.  I want you all to do the same yall kill me with calling people beast right away and singing praises to guys that can't get on the field.  Im moving on from this topic i hope all of you are right and im the goat.  But trust me its gonna be a long time before we see a nightmare on Russell street.<br />[/quote]


I would be downright shocked if Kruger didn't make a big impact as soon as this season. The hell with stats, reporters' ramblings, random internet people's opinions...Kruger's measurables, while impressive so far this offseason, aren't even his greatest assests. It's his intangibles (his football IQ, instincts, anticipation, heart and motor are off the charts) are what is going to drive him to the top regardless of what position he chooses. Take that to the bank.

[WinnipegRaven]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1282356737' post='455099']
I would be downright shocked if Kruger didn't make a big impact as soon as this season. The hell with stats, reporters' ramblings, random internet people's opinions...Kruger's measurables, while impressive so far this offseason, aren't even his greatest assests. [b]It's his intangibles (his football IQ, instincts, anticipation, heart and motor are off the charts) are what is going to drive him to the top regardless of what position he chooses. Take that to the bank.[/b]
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Give this man a raise.

[Guest RBates]

Paul Kruger the beast gets one tackle in the Redskins game. Im gonna call that a bad game or a lack of playing time i will look to the next game to confirm what i already know "he is not a beast yet." After our next game ill comment one last time if he does nothing i don't wanna hear anymore arguments of the guy being a beast. I want to be clear so u all don't get what im saying confused i like him, i want him on the team, i eventually want him to play, just not right now, he is not ready.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1282336375' post='454942']
He stated that Kruger is slow and that his Bullrush is practically nonexistent, while actual reports indicate that he's explosive, and shows power while rushing the passer.
[/quote]What reports, and who cares i watch the game i don't need reports of practices and coaches political opinions. Bull rush needs work and explosive maybe last year not this year. He's definitely lost a step because of the extra weight. Please stop letting our great players carry these weaker guys because you like them personally. What im seeing right now is a developmental guy that still needs alot of work.

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1282526311' post='456498']
Paul Kruger the beast gets one tackle in the Redskins game. Im gonna call that a bad game or a lack of playing time i will look to the next game to confirm what i already know "he is not a beast yet." After our next game ill comment one last time if he does nothing i don't wanna hear anymore arguments of the guy being a beast. I want to be clear so u all don't get what im saying confused i like him, i want him on the team, i eventually want him to play, just not right now, he is not ready.
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Tough to get things going if you are double teamed all night

[The Raven]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1282526311' post='456498']
Paul Kruger the beast gets one tackle in the Redskins game. Im gonna call that a bad game or a lack of playing time i will look to the next game to confirm what i already know "he is not a beast yet." After our next game ill comment one last time if he does nothing i don't wanna hear anymore arguments of the guy being a beast. I want to be clear so u all don't get what im saying confused i like him, i want him on the team, i eventually want him to play, just not right now, he is not ready.
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Dude, he was barely on the field. And as pointed out, he was double teamed all night. Teams won't double a linemen if he sucks...

[lowrider]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1282527494' post='456511']
Tough to get things going if you are double teamed all night
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Yup thats what I saw when he was on the field. Which is his job. In the 3-4 its more important to eat up blockers anyway. Which is why it was so impressive what he did in the carolina game. Because to get 1.5 sacks and 4 tackles in a few quarters when your job is to eat up blockers, says you can do your job and some

[Bltravens]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1282530565' post='456537']
Yup thats what I saw when he was on the field. Which is his job. In the 3-4 its more important to eat up blockers anyway. Which is why it was so impressive what he did in the carolina game. Because to get 1.5 sacks and 4 tackles in a few quarters when your job is to eat up blockers, says you can do your job and some
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Ya which is what I dont get why dude thinks Kruger is garbage or why some people thing he's like Richard Seymour. All he has to do is eat blocks on run downs, and push the pocket on pass plays. He does that and he'll be loved in Baltimore.

[WinnipegRaven]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1282526311' post='456498']
Paul Kruger the beast gets one tackle in the Redskins game. Im gonna call that a bad game or a lack of playing time i will look to the next game to confirm what i already know "he is not a beast yet." After our next game ill comment one last time if he does nothing i don't wanna hear anymore arguments of the guy being a beast. I want to be clear so u all don't get what im saying confused i like him, i want him on the team, i eventually want him to play, just not right now, he is not ready.
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whats funny is it seems you expect greatness in one offseason out of a converted LB who rode the pine all last season. If you dont call that unreasonable Im not sure you can be reasoned with. We have high expectations for the kid but seriously, what were you expecting? 3sacks, 5 tackles, a FF and a TD? He did great for his 2nd game at a new position, so ease up.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1282526759' post='456500']
What reports, and who cares i watch the game i don't need reports of practices and coaches political opinions. Bull rush needs work and explosive maybe last year not this year. He's definitely lost a step because of the extra weight. Please stop letting our great players carry these weaker guys because you like them personally. What im seeing right now is a developmental guy that still needs alot of work.
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I'm not surprised that I have to repeat myself, but once again, I'm not on the Paul Kruger bandwagon nor do I believe that he's a, "Beast." James Walker is not a coach, he's an analyst. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but analyst are paid to critique NFL players, rather than to downgrade their weaknesses. How could he have digressed last year when he wasn't even allowed to suit up for almost half the Season? And when exactly did he have the chance to rush the passer last year for you to even make these comparisons? I'm glad to know that your own personal opinion, after watching the game from the nearest couch, is worth more than opinions of people who are actually paid to evaluate players.
[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1282526311' post='456498']
Paul Kruger the beast gets one tackle in the Redskins game. Im gonna call that a bad game or a lack of playing time i will look to the next game to confirm what i already know "he is not a beast yet." After our next game ill comment one last time if he does nothing i don't wanna hear anymore arguments of the guy being a beast. I want to be clear so u all don't get what im saying confused i like him, i want him on the team, i eventually want him to play, just not right now, he is not ready.
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I'm a bit confused how somebody could come back and judge an entire games performance by a statistic after deeming statistics irrelevant, when being made aware of Kruger's number of sacks. Haloti Ngata had 35 tackles last Season and 1.5 sacks. He must've had a bad Season (Sarcasm).

[Andrew Glass]

Not a very good comparison... Haloti Ngata is a completely different player then kruger. Kruger is or was a hybrid D-end.. He is suppose to generate sacks and pressures. Ngata is a big body in the middle who makes run stopping plays in the backfield, Not sacks generally.

I do completely agree with bates on this one though. I need to see Kruger break into the ones and make some plays. He's heading the way of bust ATM but he's still got time.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1282527635' post='456514']
Dude, he was barely on the field. And as pointed out, he was double teamed all night. Teams won't double a linemen if he sucks...
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I agree. He was in and out during the second half. We sent a lot of 3 man rushes in the second half so naturally Kruger was doubled a lot.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Andrew Glass' timestamp='1282549570' post='456596']
Not a very good comparison... Haloti Ngata is a completely different player then kruger. Kruger is or was a hybrid D-end.. He is suppose to generate sacks and pressures. Ngata is a big body in the middle who makes run stopping plays in the backfield, Not sacks generally.

I do completely agree with bates on this one though. I need to see Kruger break into the ones and make some plays. He's heading the way of bust ATM but he's still got time.
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I wasn't highlighting Haloti's sacks, but rather his tackles. He pointed out that Kruger's night was a failure because he only had one tackle, when he was double teamed on more than one occasion, just as Ngata is on every single play. The point is that the number of tackles for any 3-4 DE or NT is irrelevant to how they actually played. The amount of attention each player garners is critical. And if Kruger did have a chance in with the ones, it would've been one on one match ups, where he probably would've been more successful. Especially considering he flustered McNabb out of the pocket on one of his only plays with the starters. He may not be ready to start, but it's another thing to completely degrade his potential.

[lowrider]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1282573651' post='456657']
I wasn't highlighting Haloti's sacks, but rather his tackles. He pointed out that Kruger's night was a failure because he only had one tackle, when he was double teamed on more than one occasion, just as Ngata is on every single play. The point is that the number of tackles for any 3-4 DE or NT is irrelevant to how they actually played. The amount of attention each player garners is critical. And if Kruger did have a chance in with the ones, it would've been one on one match ups, where he probably would've been more successful. Especially considering he flustered McNabb out of the pocket on one of his only plays with the starters. He may not be ready to start, but it's another thing to completely degrade his potential.
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Exactly. And if Kruger demands double teams that is bad news for other teams. Because Ngata is going to demand double teams, and Gregg/Cody will demand double teams. Then if Kruger demands double teams, then that means you can't block everyone. Then if you throw Suggs down on the line on 3rd down. Means someone has one on one blocking. Means I would not want to be that quarterback against the Ravens.

[slayback0317]

Kruger is a force to be reckoned with and he will only get better, he definatly needs to be in a roatation hes a playmaker for sure.

[TSizzle00]

The more double teams the Dline can take up the more pressure the LBs will get.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Andrew Glass' timestamp='1282549570' post='456596']
Not a very good comparison... Haloti Ngata is a completely different player then kruger. Kruger is or was a hybrid D-end.. He is suppose to generate sacks and pressures. Ngata is a big body in the middle who makes run stopping plays in the backfield, Not sacks generally.

I do completely agree with bates on this one though. I need to see Kruger break into the ones and make some plays. He's heading the way of bust ATM but he's still got time.
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Kruger is supposed to be filling in where Dwan Edawards was last year. He`s a 3-4 DE which means he has to eat blocks, and push the pocket, those are his responsibilities. When we blitz more than 4 he eat blocks for the LBs and collapses the pocket so the outside pressure gets there and the QB steps into the Dline. When we blitz 4 out of our base, then its his job to get there cuz then he`ll be kicked outside on a Tackle. He wont even be on the field on obvious pass downs unless they move him inside, but Id rather have Ngata and Pryce inside then as Pryce is a far more established and technical pass rusher.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1282587935' post='456781']
Kruger is supposed to be filling in where Dwan Edawards was last year. He`s a 3-4 DE which means he has to eat blocks, and push the pocket, those are his responsibilities. When we blitz more than 4 he eat blocks for the LBs and collapses the pocket so the outside pressure gets there and the QB steps into the Dline. When we blitz 4 out of our base, then its his job to get there cuz then he`ll be kicked outside on a Tackle. He wont even be on the field on obvious pass downs unless they move him inside, but Id rather have Ngata and Pryce inside then as Pryce is a far more established and technical pass rusher.
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Exactly. Aaron Smith of the Steelers is one of the best 3-4 DE in the game and I doubt many people outside of Pittsburg know who he is.

When I called Kruger a "beast" I didn't mean we should expect Demarcus Ware type sacks because thats not what his role is going to be. He'll eat up blocks, be solid against the run, and when blocked one-on-one on third and long he should apply decent pressure. If he can average around 6 sacks a year I think that would be great.

[Perfekt]

people just love to hate on the guy. when he did well against the steelers last year. we had those people come in an hate on him for the limited time that he played when i felt he did well. this year he looks even better an still people doubt the man. he has a motor like j. allen an so far his ceiling hasnt been tapped so lets run with it.