Kyle Boller Vs. Troy Smith

[ed.s52]

So, all in all, who would be the better Franchise QB Kyle or Troy. We all know there are several die-hard Troy supporters and a few Boller haters here, but logically, who would you choose to be the Franchise QB and Why. GO!!!

Props to kagejb for the thread idea.

I'm choosing Boller because, well, he overall wasn't great but at times he was solid for us.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1281765048' post='451397']
So, all in all, who would be the better Franchise QB Kyle or Troy. We all know there are several die-hard Troy supporters and a few Boller haters here, but logically, who would you choose to be the Franchise QB and Why. GO!!!

Props to kagejb for the thread idea.

I'm choosing Boller because, well, he overall wasn't great but at times he was solid for us.
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Me....I'm 6'3", 200lbs and love myself.....really? Neither!!! Ewwww!!!

[Romo Ravens]

Oh boy. Both are just ... interesting. But if I had to pick one, I'd take Troy Smith. Kyle Boller was just bad/is bad, and we gave him one too many chances and he never capitalized. Whereas Smith has shown potential in the past which gave Harbs the confidence to name him the starter before Flacco. Boller make too many stupid decisions, couldn't read defensive schemes to save his life, and didn't have an accurate arm.

I like Troy's mobility, his accuracy is so-so, and he's a threat to gain huge yards just by using his feet. But I would just like to say "thank God" that we have Joey Flacc's.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1281766000' post='451402']
Oh boy. Both are just ... interesting. But if I had to pick one, I'd take Troy Smith. Kyle Boller was just bad/is bad, and we gave him one too many chances and he never capitalized. Whereas Smith has shown potential in the past which gave Harbs the confidence to name him the starter before Flacco. Boller make too many stupid decisions, couldn't read defensive schemes to save his life, and didn't have an accurate arm.

I like Troy's mobility, he has above average accuracy, and he's a threat to gain huge yards just by using his feet. But I would just like to say "thank God" that we have Joey Flacc's.
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Okay, this makes sense excpet Troy's accuracy is not above average.

[Jabara]

This is a trick question.
Neither are remotely close to being a "franchise QB."
The only difference really is that other teams actually wanted Boller.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1281766498' post='451404']
Okay, this makes sense excpet Troy's accuracy is not above average.
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Changed it. I was in a hurry lol, great point.

[Purple Nurple]

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[Purple Nurple]

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[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Both will leave you drafting a QB in the 1st round of the following years draft.

[BloodRaven]

Smith might not have the same tools but he has that all important heart, you can beat him up but he won't shrivel up like Boller.

[K-Dog]

I vote Boller.
Wile he was not great by any stretch, there were moments of excelence here and there. He took a LOT of physical abuse from a line that could not (would not? ) protect him. He took a lot of abuse from the media, and the fans. Time and time again he stood strong.

I personally think with the right O line, and some valium he could have been a very good QB ( not great). Smith has great feet, and not much else. Granted we all have seen much much more of Boller so we have more to go on, but I have seen significantly more heart and passion and,,,, workable talent, from Boller.

[robbcs3]

To me they are fairly interchangeable but troy is more mobile. I think if Troy had the reps Boller did he might come out on top.

[Shawn`]

S.P.O.T.S


nuff said.

[BloodRaven]

I don't believe Boller has enough heart to play, his career has been a case of going through the motions. He's simply one of the most gun shy QBs I've ever seen.

[JO_75]

Um.... is there a option for Other.... and by other I mean Joe Flacco.

Flacco > Boller & Smith, Enough Said.

[Raven43hike]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1281766000' post='451402']
Oh boy. Both are just ... interesting. But if I had to pick one, I'd take Troy Smith. Kyle Boller was just bad/is bad, and we gave him one too many chances and he never capitalized. Whereas Smith has shown potential in the past which gave Harbs the confidence to name him the starter before Flacco. Boller make too many stupid decisions, couldn't read defensive schemes to save his life, and didn't have an accurate arm.

I like Troy's mobility, his accuracy is so-so, and he's a threat to gain huge yards just by using his feet. But I would just like to say "thank God" that we have Joey Flacc's.
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Ill take Boller, because with Troy were wasting alot of money on our tight ends, running backs and wide outs because he's not throwing he's running. (forrest gump )ha ha.

[kze]

Boller proved he can't be a franchise QB. The jury is still out on Troy. Therefore I chose Troy.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1281769127' post='451418']
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Haha...that's priceless.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1281800134' post='451488']


Flacco > Boller & Smith, Enough Said.
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yeah well we all know that...

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

I voted for Boller. I think if he was playing with our current Oline he would show us something. Agree that he always looked scared, but that's because he never had any protection. Smith has not shown us anything since we signed him. Thank God for Joe

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1281824735' post='451654']
yeah well we all know that...
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well most of us, lol

[MagicianCamille]

Boller had a powerful arm and was very mobile. Troy Smith is mobile, but doesn't throw the ball well.

Everyone who watched Boller play knows his problem was being shell-shocked by one too many hits while playing behind a sub-par offensive line (Minus JO of course). He actually had a winning record as a quarterback, and had some fantastic games (Monday night games against Green Bay and Minnesota anyone?). I don't have ill will toward Boller, though I don't think he had the character necessary to succeed as a starting quarterback.

[TSizzle00]

Boller has had multiple chances to start with a healthy team. Troy has not had the chance to play in more than maybe 5 or 6 games.

[H8R]

Troy hasnt gotten the chance because Troy isnt good enough..... that simple.

[gmackenzie82]

Kyle Boller. But if you ask me who is the better runningback i would say Troy Smith! lol

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1281843524' post='451765']
Troy hasnt gotten the chance because Troy isnt good enough..... that simple.
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Troy hasn't gotten the chance that Boller got because Troy was not drafted in the first round....that simple

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1281798525' post='451480']
[b]I don't believe Boller has enough heart to play[/b], his career has been a case of going through the motions. He's simply one of the most gun shy QBs I've ever seen.
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I have to compeltely disagree with the highlighted statement. You can question a lot of things about Boller's talent but his heart is unquestioned in my opinon.

That guy used to get absolutely killed in the pocket, sometimes at his own fault, and he just continued to get up. Even in his last game with the Ravens agianst the Vikes in the preseason. He damn near had his shoulder taken off, but he got up and continued to play. That was the hit that ended his season, but he played through it.

The guy might not have been able to put his talent together, but his toughness and heart was unquestioned imo.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1281829771' post='451676']
Boller had a powerful arm and was very mobile. Troy Smith is mobile, but doesn't throw the ball well.

Everyone who watched Boller play knows his problem was being shell-shocked by one too many hits while playing behind a sub-par offensive line (Minus JO of course). He actually had a winning record as a quarterback, and had some fantastic games (Monday night games against Green Bay and Minnesota anyone?). [b]I don't have ill will toward Boller, though I don't think he had the character necessary to succeed as a starting quarterback.[/b][/quote]

Again i have to disagree with this statement as well. I think it was Boller's production that did allow him to succeed as a starting quarterback.

I thought Boller had great character and charisma. He never once throw a teammate under the bus, although he had countless opportunites. He never too an opportunity to throw a quality performance back into the media's face. Whenever you saw the guy out in public he was always friendly to the fans(from personal experience, even though we are the same fan base that cheered loudly while the guy was laying on the field injuried.

Everytime he had a good performance, as few as they were, he always gave credit to his Oline, or his team. Whenever things around him seems to fail him, he always took the responsiblity and said it was things he had to do better.

Boller appeared to be the kinda guy you'd love to have on your team, just not as a franchise QB, because he could never seem to put it all together.

[H8R]

[quote name='TSizzle00' timestamp='1281890783' post='451925']
Troy hasn't gotten the chance that Boller got because Troy was not drafted in the first round....that simple
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and he wasn't drafted in the first round because he didn't have first round potential, size, arm strength, vision ....it's that simple.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='TSizzle00' timestamp='1281890783' post='451925']
Troy hasn't gotten the chance that Boller got because Troy was not drafted in the first round....that simple
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I think it's a little more then just draft selection. Yes Boller had more chances because Billick wanted him to be the guy early. However the same can be said on the other in.

If Boller was allowed to sit back and develop behind a guy like McNair, with coaches like Hue Jackson, Cam Cameron, and now Zorn and Saunders, then he'd probably be much father along in his development then Troy is now. Now i'm not saying that is true, but the argument can be made.

imo, Troy Smith looks no different last thrusday night then he did in his rookie year and that is dissappointing.

At this point i see the only reason to keep Smith around is for Wild Cat plays, but i don't even think he excells then those. A guy like Clayton could do just as well.

I think the Ravens need to draft a late round QB, or pick up a young guy to develop under Flacco and Bulger over the next couple years.

I don't think either one of those guys will ever be a franchise QB.