Troy Smith Does Not Look Like He Belongs In The NFL

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1281758891' post='451293']
Yep. But with all the weapons on the team now, giving the ball to Troy would be a waste in my opinion.
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Good Point. Its not like we are out there with a rookie QB anymore. Our team shouldn't need to use trick plays to generate some momentum. We should just flat out play some O.

Teams that run some sort of wildcat formation are usually teams that need some offensive spark from time to time.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1281758891' post='451293']
Yep. But with all the weapons on the team now, giving the ball to Troy would be a waste in my opinion.
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I agree - hence why I am perplexed by Jaws (often-stupid) comment. He made it sound like the only way Smith could be used was if he was #2 on the depth chart.

But I digress. I would only use the wildcat sparingly.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1281723626' post='450885']
man who are you? 1500 post and none of them legit. Where do you find these guys? Troy Smith valuable asset at what we are paying him. Thats all im saying.
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You're awesome...do a poll bro. Legit? Ha!!!!! How old are you?

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1281724791' post='450908']
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?id=4166&sport=NFL

scroll down a bit and there is a section that says Troy Smith "hasn't looked good in camp" and that was from Mike Preston from the baltimoresun. Mike Preston although he is a negative nancy sometimes to put it nicely, he gives credit when credit is due and reports when someone is struggling.

And I've been following closely to the articles from the baltimoresun and br.com and 75% of the time when there is an interception it is usually from Troy Smith. Although the playing field was rough last night, he has constantly underperformed in practice.
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wow did you read the article on profootball talk with Ron Jaworski that said Bulger looked defeated and he didn't know whether he wanted to still play the game. Nice article though i suppose at this point we should look for two new Qb's....lolj/k

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1281723626' post='450885']
man who are you? 1500 post and none of them legit. Where do you find these guys? Troy Smith valuable asset at what we are paying him. Thats all im saying.
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Asset? How? What has he done there big guy? You 5'8" 130lbs?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1281760593' post='451321']
Sorry man im not here to argue with you You're awesome and legit bro. My bad Flour
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Here - start a team in LA and go with Troy. Can you mustard up two dimes? I'm retired if you need help. Oh yeah, I'm 28!

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Cmon guys! Lets not get personal.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' timestamp='1281760820' post='451324']
Cmon guys! Lets not get personal.
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Not personal bro...just sick of people talking out the side of their mouth with no relevance what so ever. Had a few drinks tonight, so whatever. Oh yeah, I'm of age!

[Guest Maryland1]

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[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1281760993' post='451329']
Not personal bro...just sick of people talking out the side of their mouth with no relevance what so ever. Had a few drinks tonight, so whatever. Oh yeah, I'm of age!
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To be honest I'm on your side Haha good on you though, I'll be getting loaded for my Saturday night soon. Are you actually retired by the way? I'm 21 so we're similar in age

[RavensAllTheWay]

I didn't know one preseason game could spark so much crap

[Raven43hike]

[quote name='Andrew Glass' timestamp='1281670717' post='450229']
Look at the o line he was playing behind, Let him get bulgers reps with that line and those wideouts he'll do better. It's really not all his fault.
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But the defense was also not first string.

[baltimoreravens00]

If you guys dont remember troy smith was actually beating out Joe Flacco before he went down with a tonsil illness. Joe Flacco was sacked three times against the panthers and threw numerous balls out of bounds or short, not to mention the fact that we ran 3 striaght screen passes and another couple dump downs to the running backs. Marc Bulger looked absolutely horrible and if anyone has a disconcerting throwing motion it is him with his side arm. Troy smith was stuck with third string players and a torrential down pour...i dont understand how not performing under those circumstances warrants his release from the team and the league

[1/28/01]

[quote name='baltimoreravens00' timestamp='1281834404' post='451689']
[B]If you guys dont remember troy smith was actually beating out Joe Flacco[/b] before he went down with a tonsil illness. Joe Flacco was sacked three times against the panthers and threw numerous balls out of bounds or short, not to mention the fact that we ran 3 striaght screen passes and another couple dump downs to the running backs. Marc Bulger looked absolutely horrible and if anyone has a disconcerting throwing motion it is him with his side arm. Troy smith was stuck with third string players and a torrential down pour...i dont understand how not performing under those circumstances warrants his release from the team and the league
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Lost any credibility right here....he wasn't beating Flacco. It wasn't a camp competition. The FO had no intention of even allowing Flacco to compete for the starting position.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1281835842' post='451696']
Lost any credibility right here....he wasn't beating Flacco. It wasn't a camp competition. The FO had no intention of even allowing Flacco to compete for the starting position.
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Troy was/is better than Flacco 1/28/01... cuz, cuz He won a Heisman

[JaxFlaccoFan]

[quote name='baltimoreravens00' timestamp='1281834404' post='451689']
If you guys dont remember troy smith was actually beating out Joe Flacco before he went down with a tonsil illness. Joe Flacco was sacked three times against the panthers and threw numerous balls out of bounds or short, not to mention the fact that we ran 3 striaght screen passes and another couple dump downs to the running backs. Marc Bulger looked absolutely horrible and if anyone has a disconcerting throwing motion it is him with his side arm. Troy smith was stuck with third string players and a torrential down pour...i dont understand how not performing under those circumstances warrants his release from the team and the league
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I'm pretty sure Flacco was sacked twice, not three times, and I wouldn't say 4 incompletions out of 12 passes equates to numerous balls out of bounds or short. Even Manning, Brees, and Brady don't complete 100 percent of their passes. The screen passes were called plays and Flacco executed them perfectly. What do you want the guy to do, ignore the play call. If the screen is successful, why not use it? You take what the defense gives you. That is what a good offense does. 8 for 12 with 1 TD and 120 yards passing and a 10-0 lead is pretty darn good for a little over one quarter in the first pre-season game of the year. That equates to almost 32 out of 48, 3 to 4 TDs, over 400 yards passing, and a 30 to 40 to nothing victory over 4 quarters. What in the world do you want?

[Cheese_Steak]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1281670308' post='450219']
Troy Smith looked terrible. How many times was he sacked?
You can't blame the 2nd or 3rd O line for Troy not stepping up and making a play.
He ran for one easy TD, other than that, I think we know why he isn't a starter in the NFL.
And while this is the Ravens first preseason game this season, it is not Troy's first.

Let's put this issue to rest.
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So after a hard, physical training camp where guys are banged up and half injured, you're telling me that it was Troy Smith's fault for being sacked every other play bcuz his linemen; which, consisted of guys who won't even make the team, couldn't block to save their careers, and that WR's the likes of Eron Riley and Devon Drew couldn't even get open against guys who have no future in the nfl. Not to mention that both 3rd string/4th string/might get cut RBs' all fumbled the rock...and whatever you do don't forget that it was the first preseason game bcuz we all know how important that is but yeah somehow it's all Troy Smith's fault...


riiiiggghhhhttt

hmmm I wonder how he would do with Oher, Grubbs, Birk, Yanda, Cousins blocking for him....throwing to WR's like Boldin, Mason, Heap....and having running backs like Ray Rice to dump off too....hmmm I wonder?


but bcuz he had no time to follow his progressions or setup the playaction bcuz the RBs would either fumble the ball or the pocket collapsed b4 it was even made....he's a bum.

Sound reasoning. [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif[/img] I guess if you cage Martha Stewart in an empty room with only a spoon, a lighter, and a bail of wheat and she only manages to make burnt biscuits she sucks at making cakes too?

[JaxFlaccoFan]

Do some of you people seriously believe Troy Smith is a better QB than Joe Flacco? Wow, really? I don't hate Troy Smith. I'm sorry, I just don't see it.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='JaxFlaccoFan' timestamp='1281838860' post='451720']
Do some of you people seriously believe Troy Smith is a better QB than Joe Flacco? Wow, really? I don't hate Troy Smith. I'm sorry, I just don't see it.
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How many Heisman trophies does Flacco have?

[Cheese_Steak]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1281838975' post='451721']
How many Heisman trophies does Flacco have?
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about as many Championships as Carson Palmer has

[JaxFlaccoFan]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1281838975' post='451721']
How many Heisman trophies does Flacco have?
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Sorry, I guess your right. He must be better.

[Guest Maryland1]

How many playoff games has Troy Smith won?

How many teams are wanting to trade for our Heisman-awarded QB?

A Heisman trophy doesn't guarantee you a starting position or a franchise tag anymore than a college degree guarantees you a job.

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='Cheese_Steak' timestamp='1281838425' post='451718']
So after a hard, physical training camp where guys are banged up and half injured, you're telling me that it was Troy Smith's fault for being sacked every other play bcuz his linemen; which, consisted of guys who won't even make the team, couldn't block to save their careers, and that WR's the likes of Eron Riley and Devon Drew couldn't even get open against guys who have no future in the nfl. Not to mention that both 3rd string/4th string/might get cut RBs' all fumbled the rock...and whatever you do don't forget that it was the first preseason game bcuz we all know how important that is but yeah somehow it's all Troy Smith's fault...


riiiiggghhhhttt

[b]hmmm I wonder how he would do with Oher, Grubbs, Birk, Yanda, Cousins blocking for him....throwing to WR's like Boldin, Mason, Heap....and having running backs like Ray Rice to dump off too....hmmm I wonder?[/b]


but bcuz he had no time to follow his progressions or setup the playaction bcuz the RBs would either fumble the ball or the pocket collapsed b4 it was even made....he's a bum.

Sound reasoning. [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif[/img] I guess if you cage Martha Stewart in an empty room with only a spoon, a lighter, and a bail of wheat and she only manages to make burnt biscuits she sucks at making cakes too?
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No it's not Troy Smith's fault! It's everyone elses! Troy Smith is the future of this team and an incredible QB we just haven't ever let him play because the coaches hate him and everyone is just trying to make him fail because they're jealous. Flacco sux lets start Troy I'm sure with the starters you mentioned he could put up like a billion yards he won the Heisman you know. Did Flacco win the Heisman hell no. I mean we did give Troy a ton of reps in previous years but they didn't count because he was still learning. I'm sure he'll get traded because we're too stupid to start him and he'll go out and win like 6 superbowls.

[Moderator 2]

Question if Troy Smith was so ready to start why did Flacco have to play the first half of 3 games where he was obviously injured in cold crappy weather for 2 of them, last season--talking Bears, Lions and Raiders?
I don't hate Troy Smith, but sitting where I do in the stadium, I see him drop back so far to see over the line, it gets him into trouble. I think the whole trade thing the end of last season soured a lot of fans on him. His agent at the time was actually posing here in December/Jan. Some [url="http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/heisman_trophy_winners.cfm"]Heisman winners[/url] don't so well in the NFL and others do fine, just like any other draft pick.

[jaege]

He won a Hiesman trophy, and I gather he played exceptional college ball. I congratulate him on his success. That was the long past. What has he done lately? How many professional yards has he thrown? How many TDs? And lets talk about that Heisman. How many Hiesmans does Manning have? Or Brees, or Brady or Favre? Is Troy Smith better than they are, because he has a Heisman and played good college ball? Do we actually believe that he is some undiscovered gem, that the team coaches are ignoring because they, what...don't like him? If he were any good, they would use him. If they thought that he could help the team win games he would be on the field. The fact that he rarely sees action is pretty telling. The fact that the coaches and management do not use him says all there is to say.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1281836789' post='451704']
Troy was/is better than Flacco 1/28/01... cuz, cuz He won a Heisman
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True.....that's it, the number 5 is coming off the basement wall and 10 is going up. "In Smith We Trust!"

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

I swore to myself I wouldnt do this again but I have to jump in here one more time.
The debate over Troy is getting old. He is a backup for one reason and that is he is not good enough to be the starter on this team. Its that simple. We have Flacco which we drafted for the sole purpose of being our franchise qb. Its that simple. Had Troy shown any signs of being worthy of the long term solution we would not have drafted so high in the draft to get a qb. Its that simple. Flacco is the man and will be the man provided he stays healthy. Its that simple. If the FO thought that Troy would be worthy of more than 3rd on the depth chart we would not have signed Bulger. Its that simple. Those who keep trying to convince otherwise are not seeing what is so evident. Its that simple. Troy was never going to start before Flacco. Its that simple. In 08 when Troy got sick, he was not selected to be the starter, Boller was. Its that simple. Be greatful we have found what looks to be a great leader for this team for many years to come. Flacco will be a star and nobody will convince me differently other than Flacco himself. I wont say it again. Ha..... I lied.... Its that simple....

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan' timestamp='1281842246' post='451754']
I swore to myself I wouldnt do this again but I have to jump in here one more time.
The debate over Troy is getting old. He is a backup for one reason and that is he is not good enough to be the starter on this team. Its that simple. We have Flacco which we drafted for the sole purpose of being our franchise qb. Its that simple. Had Troy shown any signs of being worthy of the long term solution we would not have drafted so high in the draft to get a qb. Its that simple. Flacco is the man and will be the man provided he stays healthy. Its that simple. If the FO thought that Troy would be worthy of more than 3rd on the depth chart we would not have signed Bulger. Its that simple. Those who keep trying to convince otherwise are not seeing what is so evident. Its that simple. Troy was never going to start before Flacco. Its that simple. In 08 when Troy got sick, he was not selected to be the starter, Boller was. Its that simple. Be greatful we have found what looks to be a great leader for this team for many years to come. Flacco will be a star and nobody will convince me differently other than Flacco himself. I wont say it again. Ha..... I lied.... Its that simple....
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This wasn't really a debate. More of a semi-sarchastic "Lets make fun of blindly die-hard Troy Smith fans who think he should start above Flacco/ Explain why they are wrong" series of posts.

It's that simple.

[Dan The Man Ravens #1 Fan]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1281842819' post='451758']
This wasn't really a debate. More of a semi-sarchastic "Lets make fun of blindly die-hard Troy Smith fans who think he should start above Flacco/ Explain why they are wrong" series of posts.

It's that simple.
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No it wasnt to make fun of anyone. Just tired of hearing the same thing over and over. Thats why I said what I said. It is just that simple. I gave several opinions as to why I feel Troy is the back up.

[Cheese_Steak]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1281842819' post='451758']
This wasn't really a debate. More of a semi-sarchastic "Lets make fun of blindly die-hard Troy Smith fans who think he should start above Flacco/ Explain why they are wrong" series of posts.

It's that simple.
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Why has this become a Troy vs Flacco thread as if that's even possible.

For one Joe is the franchise. Period. Nothing else need be said.

But...

Troy Smith is not as bad as everyone is making him out to be. He was playing with the 3rd string guys...behind a 3rd string o-line. If you want to be completely fair with ur assessment you have to hold off on ur opinion until he has equal time with the same starting group. You have to have a baseline if your gonna make comparisons.

How can anybody possibly say, "because Troy, who played with a 3rd string line, didnt look as good as Joe, who played with the 1st string line, he's a horrible QB."

The bottom line is he's still a Raven and it's disheartening to hear fans bashing one of the players on our team. Some loyalty you guys have.

He wouldn't be on the roster if he couldn't play, point blank. so quit Hating. And for all the fans who think Troy should be given a shot over Joe u need to wake up from whatever nightmare ur living. That's just as crazy as all these comments about how horrible Troy is.

Can't you guys argue over something better vs bashing players bcuz you think your opinion is better than someone else's opinion?

I mean if ur gonna bash players why not start with the Steelers roster?