Troy Smith Does Not Look Like He Belongs In The NFL

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Andrew Glass' timestamp='1281670717' post='450229']
Look at the o line he was playing behind, Let him get bulgers reps with that line and those wideouts he'll do better. It's really not all his fault.
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No it's not all his fault but it's not all the O line's fault either. A lot of it had to do with Troy walking into the sacks. I'd say about 50/50 probably. Forgetting the sacks, he did not toss the ball well either.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1281672284' post='450296']
Someone PLEASE explain to me how the offensive line can be blamed for FLACCO'S misreads and problems...

But we can't blame the o-line for Troy Smith not getting any time to throw at all?



If you don't like Ohio State... that's fine. But please, stop trying to make excuses for Flacco, but then not let Troy Smith have the same luxury.

[b]If you honestly think Bulger showed he was a better back-up than Troy tonight.[/b].. I can't WAIT to start laughing at you all in the middle of the season if the Ravens need to go to their back-up QB.
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Bulger played the 2nd quarter, Smith played the 2nd half. Bulger had more completions and more yards. Not making any calls on who the back-up QB will be based on one preseason game...just pointing out why Bulger looked better than Smith on this particular night.

[BrownsFan]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1281679799' post='450471']
I knew this thread was gonna upset edreedfromtheu.

I agree with the OP though and actually posted about it in the Flacco thread. Troy Smith just isn't cut out for the NFL. There's a reason he's been the back-up for Kyle Boller, then Steve McNair, and now Joe Flacco.
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Exactly what I've been saying for a while now. As I've said before Troy Smith is awesome and I praise him for his time at tOSU but he is simply not cut out to be a long-term NFL QB.

He is pretty much right where he belongs.. 3rd string.

[RayRiceFan27]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1281704104' post='450552']
wow now we know who neg rep me. This Forum is so weak its ridiculous. I just come here to read some of the bad ideas that the fans have and laugh. You guys must be a crew or something, same bad ideas and even worst assessments of talent. Bulger played behind the two's and a few starters in descent conditions. Troy played with mostly threes pouring down. Are you kidding me? At least you could wait till all things are even before making a decision. I guess Kruger had a good night too right ....lmao got pushed around all night by the two's. You guys better start evaluating talent instead of looking at names or our team won't be able to compete. Bulger had no nice throws and a couple check downs my man, that's it. Shayne Graham is who you should be talking about. Lets go Billy like i said when we brought Shayne in.
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The weather is no excuse, Football players should be able to play well in any weather including rain, they are trained and its basically a given that they should be. The oline excuse isnt one either. Yes he was playing behind third string lineman, but so was the rest of Carolinas Defense, third string. If anything Smith should have been able to light it up with all the third stringers on the field, but he didnt.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='BrownsFan' timestamp='1281699407' post='450532']
Exactly what I've been saying for a while now. As I've said before Troy Smith is awesome and I praise him for his time at tOSU but he is simply not cut out to be a long-term NFL QB.

He is pretty much right where he belongs.. 3rd string.
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I am no Troy Smith fan. Trust. But the man brings a different dynamic to the offense. Troy's line was bad all night long. Three and five step drops with pressure early. wow!!! Think as a owner Mark Bulger 3.8 million Troy Smith i can't even find his contract so what does that tell you. Who cares if either one goes, At this point its just a competition and if Bulger is as good as advertised this should be no problem. Right

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='RayRiceFan27' timestamp='1281704402' post='450554']
The weather is no excuse, Football players should be able to play well in any weather including rain, they are trained and its basically a given that they should be. The oline excuse isnt one either. Yes he was playing behind third string lineman, but so was the rest of Carolinas Defense, third string. If anything Smith should have been able to light it up with all the third stringers on the field, but he didnt.
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Here we go again light it up in the rain. When is the last time you ever seen a QB light it up in the rain During a PRESEASON GAME. Come on!!!! Are you kidding me? And Bulger looked so much better right. You are right though football players should play no matter what the conditions are on the field but its the first preseason game and im not putting alot of stock in Bulger as our clear cut number two period. This will be an open comp let the best man win.

[fireman]

he is not going to be traded he did ok last night

[Runnin Raven]

I was surprised Troy got wrapped up as often as he did, but he definitely had O-line issues. I don't think he's as bad as what happened on the field last night, but also do not think he's a better option than Bulger from a pure passing standpoint. JMHO and yes I like the guy. Trying to be objective here.

As for Bulger, I saw his great quick release as always, just needs to get his timing down. Also, the guy really doesn't look like he spends ANY time in the weight room. We need to toughen him up - maybe get him on Testaverde-style workouts or something (heavy squats).

[jaege]

The title of the thread was "Troy Smith does not look like he belongs in the NFL". It wasnt whether or not he should have the number 2 spot, or he was better or worse than Bulgar. Smith was underwhelming. Bulgar's performance, the secondary o-lines performance, even Flacco's performance has nothing to do with that. The Panther's rookie played better than Smith, and this [u]was[/u] his first NFL game. He was playing in the rain. He was playing behind a secondary 0-line. He looked pretty good. I cannot say the same for Smith, but I was not impressed by Smith last season either.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1281675171' post='450393']
Look, I think it's crazy that Gruden and Jaws were saying Troy should be #2 because of his wildcat abilities. lol SERIOUSLY???

1) We don't need the wildcat to be a high powered offense and win games.

2) Bulger fits our actual offensive identity better than Troy.

3) Bulger has been better than Troy in training camp based on all reports.

And even if Troy ends up getting second string and ahead of Bulger, I'm gonna keep saying it. The entire QB siutation revolves around Flacco. And Bulger will bring more to the table for Joe in less than a full season than Troy ever has and ever will.
[/quote]BOOOOOOOO yet to be determined period yall. One preseason game in the rain. And Troy played while it was pouring down. Im all for putting the best Qb on the field at the end of the day Other than Flacco of course to start with the twos. But we don't know who that is yet so give it a rest.(He got the ball out quicker) perhaps because it was dry. Responding to any earlier post sorry.

[RayRiceFan27]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1281705552' post='450562']
Here we go again light it up in the rain. When is the last time you ever seen a QB light it up in the rain During a PRESEASON GAME. Come on!!!! Are you kidding me? And Bulger looked so much better right. You are right though football players should play no matter what the conditions are on the field but its the first preseason game and im not putting alot of stock in Bulger as our clear cut number two period. This will be an open comp let the best man win.
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First off

a. I never said Bulger was better

b. I never said he should light it up in the rain, I made a general statement that in general if a good QB is playing a 3rd string Defense, he should be able to light it up or atleast play well, whether it be preseason, reg season, whenever. Its a third string Defense, I mean, come on. Yes they have something to prove, but they are no where near as good as if he would be facing the number 1 defense.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1281704104' post='450552']
wow now we know who neg rep me. This Forum is so weak its ridiculous. I just come here to read some of the bad ideas that the fans have and laugh. You guys must be a crew or something, same bad ideas and even worst assessments of talent. Bulger played behind the two's and a few starters in descent conditions. Troy played with mostly threes pouring down. Are you kidding me? At least you could wait till all things are even before making a decision. I guess Kruger had a good night too right ....lmao got pushed around all night by the two's. You guys better start evaluating talent instead of looking at names or our team won't be able to compete. Bulger had no nice throws and a couple check downs my man, that's it. Shayne Graham is who you should be talking about. Lets go Billy like i said when we brought Shayne in.
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1. I didn't neg rep you

2. I know that Bulger isn't cemented into the number two spot, nor should he be yet

3. Sure, Bulger was in with the twos and Troy was with the threes, but there are SO many arguments I can make against that, like

a. Bulger has looked better in camp, which is why he was in before Troy last night

b. Bulger also played AGAINST twos while Troy also played AGAINST threes

c. Rain is inexcusable. It didn't slow down Troy's release, nor did it slow down his decision making. It makes the ground slippery and the ball slippery (which may be why he fumbled the snap)

Now just for the record. Stallworths only catch came from a nice throw downfield from Bulger on third down, and D Wills only catch came from a quick pass and quick decision by Bulger that got a first down.

But if you wanna talk about evaluating the REST of the roster as well, then fine, but trust me I did plenty of evaluting last night and I can honestly say that Krueger wasn't that good last night aside from his sack. I didn't even mention him anywhere yet, let alone praise him.

And with the Cundiff vs. Graham battle, why did you say go Cundiff when we first brought Graham in? Is it because he's been a Raven longer? Kinda like Troy, who's been a Raven longer than Bulger....weird huh? I'm not saying I like Graham better than Cundiff, but do you really have to take the side of someone who's been here longer over the one who brings more to the table, like competition?

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1281706112' post='450574']
[b]The title of the thread was "Troy Smith does not look like he belongs in the NFL". It wasnt whether or not he should have the number 2 spot, or he was better or worse than Bulgar.[/b] Smith was underwhelming. Bulgar's performance, the secondary o-lines performance, even Flacco's performance has nothing to do with that. The Panther's rookie played better than Smith, and this [u]was[/u] his first NFL game. He was playing in the rain. He was playing behind a secondary 0-line. He looked pretty good. I cannot say the same for Smith, but I was not impressed by Smith last season either.
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Doesn't matter, it's only natural for people to start comparing him to Bulger, which then naturally sparks an argument. And in Troy's case, 9/10 times the argument is HEATED lol.

[Marc2k6]

I'm not blaming anyone or pointing my long finger at anyone but the H.C. said himself that the O-line did not block anyone during the 2nd half. I did not say it, he did. Now I'm not saying Troy is good or bad or that he should be the #2 guy, I'm just saying what the coach said.

[BrownsFan]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1281705133' post='450557']
I am no Troy Smith fan. Trust. But the man brings a different dynamic to the offense. Troy's line was bad all night long. Three and five step drops with pressure early. wow!!! Think as a owner Mark Bulger 3.8 million Troy Smith i can't even find his contract so what does that tell you. Who cares if either one goes, At this point its just a competition and if Bulger is as good as advertised this should be no problem. Right
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I agree that the pressure he was under was more than Flacco or Bulger. My point is there is a reason he is the #3 QB on your depth chart and will probably be nothing more than that. It goes beyond last night IMO and again I love the guy and I do truly hope that he finds a spot somewhere.. but it won't be with the Ravens and I don't believe it'll be anything more than a backup for another NFL team.

He's an awesome guy but he's just not long-term starting NFL QB caliber.

[jaege]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1281710974' post='450644']
Doesn't matter, it's only natural for people to start comparing him to Bulger, which then naturally sparks an argument. And in Troy's case, 9/10 times the argument is HEATED lol.
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So what is the love affair that so many fans have with Troy Smith. He just does not seem that good to me, compared to nearly anyone. As I said, the Panther's rookies played better than he did. At the end of last season there were fans that suggested he should be given a shot at the number 1 spot. That is some rabid loaylty. I don't know the guys skill set. Maybe he would be better at another position, but he is not a good QB. Not even mediocre as far as I can see, judging by the few seasons and few plays I have seen him.

[lowrider]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1281715534' post='450731']
So what is the love affair that so many fans have with Troy Smith. He just does not seem that good to me, compared to nearly anyone. As I said, the Panther's rookies played better than he did. At the end of last season there were fans that suggested he should be given a shot at the number 1 spot. That is some rabid loaylty. I don't know the guys skill set. Maybe he would be better at another position, but he is not a good QB. Not even mediocre as far as I can see, judging by the few seasons and few plays I have seen him.
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You know, I am honestly wondering the same thing. Especially how reports from camp keep coming how Smith is having a rough camp. I don't get it. I like him as a person, I feel bad he had some bad luck and didn't get to start, and I think he is a fine number 3 starter in the NFL. But beyond that, it really is silly to think that Smith is anything.

The funniest part is we traded John Beck over Troy Smith because teams liked John Beck more than Troy Smith. That says a lot to me.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1281704104' post='450552']
wow now we know who neg rep me. This Forum is so weak its ridiculous. I just come here to read some of the bad ideas that the fans have and laugh. You guys must be a crew or something, same bad ideas and even worst assessments of talent. Bulger played behind the two's and a few starters in descent conditions. Troy played with mostly threes pouring down. Are you kidding me? At least you could wait till all things are even before making a decision. I guess Kruger had a good night too right ....lmao got pushed around all night by the two's. You guys better start evaluating talent instead of looking at names or our team won't be able to compete. Bulger had no nice throws and a couple check downs my man, that's it. Shayne Graham is who you should be talking about. Lets go Billy like i said when we brought Shayne in.
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then go away bro!

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1281716062' post='450741']
then go away bro!
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man who are you? 1500 post and none of them legit. Where do you find these guys? Troy Smith valuable asset at what we are paying him. Thats all im saying.

[lowrider]

We might cut him and it is leaning more towards cutting him than keeping him. At least thats what Ken Murray said from the Baltimoresun. Not my opinion, just reporting what he said in his chat wrap today.

And just a side note, why is everyone getting so pissed at each other all the sudden. First preseason game and everyone goes nuts.

[Guest RBates]

To everyone why are we even wasting our time discussing this issue it is plain to see some people just have personel preferences that have nothing to do with the game. If you want to evaluate your talent then the conditions have to be the same for each of the evaluates. In this case they were not so stop bashing Troy until we get everyone on an even playing field.

[lowrider]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1281724195' post='450900']
To everyone why are we even wasting our time discussing this issue it is plain to see some people just have personel preferences that have nothing to do with the game. If you want to evaluate your talent then the conditions have to be the same for each of the evaluates. In this case they were not so stop bashing Troy until we get everyone on an even playing field.
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http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?id=4166&sport=NFL

scroll down a bit and there is a section that says Troy Smith "hasn't looked good in camp" and that was from Mike Preston from the baltimoresun. Mike Preston although he is a negative nancy sometimes to put it nicely, he gives credit when credit is due and reports when someone is struggling.

And I've been following closely to the articles from the baltimoresun and br.com and 75% of the time when there is an interception it is usually from Troy Smith. Although the playing field was rough last night, he has constantly underperformed in practice.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1281724791' post='450908']
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?id=4166&sport=NFL

scroll down a bit and there is a section that says Troy Smith "hasn't looked good in camp" and that was from Mike Preston from the baltimoresun. Mike Preston although he is a negative nancy sometimes to put it nicely, he gives credit when credit is due and reports when someone is struggling.

And I've been following closely to the articles from the baltimoresun and br.com and 75% of the time when there is an interception it is usually from Troy Smith. Although the playing field was rough last night, he has constantly underperformed in practice.
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Yeah and Troy and Marc have been playing under the same conditions in camp.

[DMT]

I do feel bad that Troy never got his chance to start. That being said, he really bugged me with that whole trade request, whether through his agent or not. His fans here I can tolerate, when they are not calling for him to start. Now I wish Troy the best but come on...the Browns didn't even want him. Beck had more trade value. So lets stop acting like he's gonna pull a Kurt Warner. We have our quarterback, can we just be happy?

[Moderator 2]

Guys the name calling, player bashing, calling the forum "stupid and retarded" needs to stop now. I suggest you take a moment or two to review the [url="http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules"]Code of Conduct[/url] and abide by it.

[jusraven]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1281670712' post='450228']
I may not be a believer in Troy either, but let's not forget the fact that he still has three more preseason games to try and turn it around.
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Yeah, Troy did not look good and niether did the running game at that time. The team in general gave up far too many sacks throughout the game, imo. There were plenty of positives but not elite team style of play at this time.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I wasn't overly impressed either; one can only hope Troy improves his play in the coming weeks. I can't believe Ron Jaworski suggested that he would be our #2 QB ahead of Bulger, what a comical suggestion!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' timestamp='1281751345' post='451163']
I wasn't overly impressed either; one can only hope Troy improves his play in the coming weeks. [b]I can't believe Ron Jaworski suggested that he would be our #2 QB ahead of Bulger, what a comical suggestion![/b]
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He and Gruden haven't been watching training camp and they both feel Troy brings added value as a Wildcat option.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1281758288' post='451285']
He and Gruden haven't been watching training camp and they both feel Troy brings added value as a Wildcat option.
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Can't a 3rd string QB be used in packages or something?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' timestamp='1281758616' post='451290']
Can't a 3rd string QB be used in packages or something?
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Yep. But with all the weapons on the team now, giving the ball to Troy would be a waste in my opinion.