Anyone Wish We Drafted Kyle Wilson?

[ravensfan160]

I'm torn on this. We got 3 players for that one pick. Kindle is likely to miss the season anyway. However, we wouldn't have the 2 good young TE's either.

Long term I think we're better of making the trade but for this season, and with our veterans like Mason, Reed, and Lewis's window of opportunity to win a Super Bowl closing, I think Wilson would have helped us out the most.

I guess hindsight is 20-20. Nobody could predict Kindle would fall down a flight of stairs afterall.

[edreedfromtheu]

I would rather have Wilson than Sergio or Cody.

But hey, at least he went to the Jets and not a team I hate. Rex will be better for him than Mattison anyway.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1281381157' post='447258']
I would rather have Wilson than Sergio or Cody.

But hey, at least he went to the Jets and not a team I hate. Rex will be better for him than Mattison anyway.
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Rex's arrogance is starting to annoy me.

[Ed_Reed20]

We haven't seen anyone play yet so I'm indifferent.

[PuRock]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1281380898' post='447255']
I'm torn on this. We got 3 players for that one pick. Kindle is likely to miss the season anyway. However, we wouldn't have the 2 good young TE's either.

Long term I think we're better of making the trade but for this season, and with our veterans like Mason, Reed, and Lewis's window of opportunity to win a Super Bowl closing, I think Wilson would have helped us out the most.

I guess hindsight is 20-20. Nobody could predict Kindle would fall down a flight of stairs afterall.
[/quote]

In theory I wanted Kyle Wilson. I liked the guy. Thought he could make an impact immediately. Ask me this question in 5 years, my answer could be very different.

[Reddawn36]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1281380898' post='447255']
I'm torn on this. We got 3 players for that one pick. Kindle is likely to miss the season anyway. However, we wouldn't have the 2 good young TE's either.

Long term I think we're better of making the trade but for this season, and with our veterans like Mason, Reed, and Lewis's window of opportunity to win a Super Bowl closing, I think Wilson would have helped us out the most.

[b]I guess hindsight is 20-20. Nobody could predict Kindle would fall down a flight of stairs afterall.[/b]
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2 flights... he pulled the amazing...

[The Raven]

I guess drafting Wilson would have helped us more in the short term, but making the trade definately helps more in the long run. And as you said, no one could have foresee Kindle's fall down the stairs.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='Reddawn36' timestamp='1281382055' post='447270']
2 flights... he pulled the amazing...
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I stand corrected.

[Ravens549]

I have disliked the decision since the draft. It appears our secondary is plagued by the same problems it has been having for the past couple seasons. I still feel our cornerbacks needed addressed in the draft especially knowing we had wide receivers locked down.
But, to act like I know better than Ozzie is ludicrous.

[ravensconvert]

20/20 is useless. You make the best call with the information you have at the time. We didn't know Foxworth would get hurt, so we made the right decision. Three quality players is better then one.

[Milton145]

I think we could have gotten Wilson then could have been able to choose between Kindle and Cody with our 2nd rounder.

Idk about our 2 TEs though. We would have been damn lucky if Dickson or Pitta would have fallen to one of our 5th rounders. Then we could have selected one of them in place of Art Jones.

That would have been great IMO.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1281384117' post='447309']
[b]I think we could have gotten Wilson then could have been able to choose between Kindle and Cody with our 2nd rounder.[/b]

Idk about our 2 TEs though. We would have been damn lucky if Dickson or Pitta would have fallen to one of our 5th rounders. Then we could have selected one of them in place of Art Jones.

That would have been great IMO.
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Teams reportedly backed away from Kindle on draft day because of his knee but it's doubtful he would have still been on the board in round 2 when the Ravens came up for their original pick.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1281384117' post='447309']
I think we could have gotten Wilson then could have been able to choose between Kindle and Cody with our 2nd rounder.

Idk about our 2 TEs though. We would have been damn lucky if Dickson or Pitta would have fallen to one of our 5th rounders. Then we could have selected one of them in place of Art Jones.

That would have been great IMO.
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If we could've gotten Wilson (1st), Kindle (2nd) and picked up either Pitta or Dickson. Your're right, I would have been ecstatic about that draft class.

The fact that we drafted two TEs and neglected the CB position, didn't sit well with me. But like always when you talk about this topic, you have to state, "But what do I know, I'm just a fan"

[Brad D]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1281381338' post='447261']
We haven't seen anyone play yet so I'm indifferent.
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I agree with this. These guys are NFL players, regardless of how our corners played last year, who says they haven't gotten better? That's what NFL players are supposed to do, anyway.

[JohnJohnson]

The tight ends will pay off. At the time we had a healthy Foxworth and Kindle looked like a great pick, but right now would you trade Dickson and Pitta for Wilson? They're all unproven, I'd keep our tight ends.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1281384662' post='447325']
If we could've gotten Wilson (1st), Kindle (2nd) and picked up either Pitta or Dickson. Your're right, I would have been ecstatic about that draft class.

The fact that we drafted two TEs and neglected the CB position, didn't sit well with me. But like always when you talk about this topic, you have to state, "But what do I know, I'm just a fan"
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A couple things a wrong, or at least questionable about this statement. For one, Sergio is a first round, probably top 15 talent, there is no way he woulda fell to the bottom of the first round, we were lucky enough to grab him at the top of the second.
And TE was a need, so lets say we grabbed Dickson and then a CB in the fourth round, would that CB really help us out honestly? A fourth round CB shouldn't be meant to start at least not right away.
This is also not mentioning that DL depth was a need during the draft as well. Who was to take Kelly's place? Now we have Cody, a first round talent, in that position.


As for the question, do I wish we drafted Kyle Wilson. We all know that we draft BPA, not based on need (well a little based on need but not exclusively). I personally am not a Kyle Wilson fan and Sergio was a top 15 talent. Although I hate Texas, Sergio was a straght animal, so I wouldn't have been very suprised if we picked up Kindle in the first round over Wilson. Wilson certainly could've been picked, and I wouldn't be the slightest bit angry, but I think Kindle is just flat out better.

Also, although corner help would be nice, pass rush was another focus this offseason so not only did we get a beast pass rusher in Kindle but a future replacement for Suggs.


And I have another question. Does anyone know how long Kindle is out? Because I thought it was only going to be through training camp, and maybe some of the preseason. Has their been a report saying how long he will be out?

[Ravnet]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1281380898' post='447255']I guess hindsight is 20-20.[/quote]

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[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1281386014' post='447360']
A couple things a wrong, or at least questionable about this statement.
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What did Pu say that was wrong? He said [b]if[/b] the team had been able to draft Wilson, Kindle and one of the TEs, he would have been happy.

[PuRock]

[quote name='ed.s52' timestamp='1281386014' post='447360']
A couple things a wrong, or at least questionable about this statement. For one, Sergio is a first round, probably top 15 talent, there is no way he woulda fell to the bottom of the first round, we were lucky enough to grab him at the top of the second.
And TE was a need, so lets say we grabbed Dickson and then a CB in the fourth round, would that CB really help us out honestly? A fourth round CB shouldn't be meant to start at least not right away.
This is also not mentioning that DL depth was a need during the draft as well. Who was to take Kelly's place? Now we have Cody, a first round talent, in that position.

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I didn't say that we could make it happen, I merely said that if it did occur(responding to another's post) that I'd be estactic about our draft.

I know that Kindle wouldn't fall that far. But people didn't expect some players to fall as far as they did. i.e. Clausen, Griffen, Campbell. Kindle seemed to be getting passed up a lot with the reports of his knee. Teams get scared easily.

[H8R]

We haven't even seen any of them play...not even in pre-season. I'll give my answer as incomplete.

[heapitup247]

We had no way of knowing foxworth was going to be out. Knowing what I know now about Kindle and Foxworth, sure I'd much rather have kyle wilson, but its not like Ozzie had that luxury. Getting two good players is usually better than getting one.

[MagicianCamille]

Say what you want about hindsight, not addressing the CB position at all in the draft was a mistake. I said it then and I'll say it again now that things are looking a bit worrisome. I'm not saying we aren't a Super Bowl contender this year, I think we are, but as for the overall stability of the team I think having another good prospect at cornerback would have been great going forward. Fabian Washington isn't the future of our CB position, having two young talented guys in Webb AND Wilson would have been awesome for our future. Here's hoping we rectify this mistake in next year's draft.

[ed.s52]

Thats my bad PuRock, read it wrong I guess

[heapitup247]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1281391329' post='447432']
Say what you want about hindsight, not addressing the CB position at all in the draft was a mistake. I said it then and I'll say it again now that things are looking a bit worrisome. I'm not saying we aren't a Super Bowl contender this year, I think we are, but as for the overall stability of the team I think having another good prospect at cornerback would have been great going forward. Fabian Washington isn't the future of our CB position, having two young talented guys in Webb AND Wilson would have been awesome for our future. Here's hoping we rectify this mistake in next year's draft.
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We signed foxworth to a 4 year 28 million dollar deal. Hes one of our CBs of the future. Webb is the same way. Foxworth/Webb/Fabian are 3 solid corners, and Ozzie expected us to have them all ready (or webb a few weeks in). We can't afford to put a first round corners salary with foxworth, potentially resign Webb to a solid deal if he pans out, and keep Ngata with Suggs current contract as well. A first round pick is costly, and trading out of it not only got us more picks, it gave us a little more cap space coming up.

[H8R]

Well, not only is he a Magician..... but he can see the future too. Ozzie sign this guy...

[Clutch Ravens]

How about we dig this thread up again in three years when we'll have been able to get a decent idea of how the draft shaped up?

I was never sold on Wilson - he was a 2nd rounder before the Senior Bowl - because I thought he was way over-hyped. I would have rather that we drafted Parrish Cox at some point - 1st round talent, undrafted Brain - because of the value pick he would have been and the depth he would have supplied to the secondary. Cest la vie, I guess.

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='MagicianCamille' timestamp='1281391329' post='447432']
Say what you want about hindsight, not addressing the CB position at all in the draft was a mistake. I said it then and I'll say it again now that things are looking a bit worrisome. I'm not saying we aren't a Super Bowl contender this year, I think we are, but as for the overall stability of the team I think having another good prospect at cornerback would have been great going forward. Fabian Washington isn't the future of our CB position, having two young talented guys in Webb AND Wilson would have been awesome for our future. Here's hoping we rectify this mistake in next year's draft.
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People forget that Boldin should be considered part of the draft class, because we traded picks for him. Last year everyone wanted a WR, I wonder what they said when Ozzie picked Oher and Webb? You don't think Foxworth/Washington/Webb warranted drafting BPA? What you're saying is a perfect example of a hindsight opinion, you didn't even mention Foxworth, as if we were going into the draft with just Fabian and Webb.

[MagicianCamille]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1281394796' post='447460']
Well, not only is he a Magician..... but he can see the future too. Ozzie sign this guy...
[/quote]

How about the past? We've suffered from secondary depth for years on end. Our corners or safeties get injured constantly. Doesn't take a seer to realize we should have gone for more secondary stability in the draft, in fact, draft experts even said so at the time. Foxworth's injury isn't the reason we should have gone with a CB in the draft, our weak secondary even with Foxworth is.

You guys seem to possess some weird notion that our secondary was awesome going into the draft...pretty sure it was our achilles heel last year and didn't improve at all over the off-season.

[H8R]

You have some weird notion that EVERY TEAM has EVERY POSITION filled with ProBowlers.... It doesn't work like that. Who is to say that a CB we brought in wouldn't have had a season ending surgery? You just NEVER know how things would have went if you just plugged in a new number for X... I would have liked for a CB too but it didn't happen. We'll never know what the Ravens had for CB's on their draft board. You can't fault a team for playing the board. I liked that the Ravens didn't reach for any players.

[justifythegame]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1281380898' post='447255']
I'm torn on this. We got 3 players for that one pick. Kindle is likely to miss the season anyway. However, we wouldn't have the 2 good young TE's either.

Long term I think we're better of making the trade but for this season, and with our veterans like Mason, Reed, and Lewis's window of opportunity to win a Super Bowl closing, I think Wilson would have helped us out the most.

I guess hindsight is 20-20. Nobody could predict Kindle would fall down a flight of stairs afterall.
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Well to answer this question it really depends on how those 2 TEs turn out. But at this point yes i wish we had tried to get wilson. And this is from a guy didn't like wilson to begin with. But i thought sergio kindle was one of the most overrated players in the draft, people had him going in the top 20. i wasn't a big fan of the guy, but i guess you couldn't argue with a 2nd round pick.

But kindle's injury shouldn't play a huge role on this topic. the ravens don't play rookies unless they are forced to. we have more depth at a LB than any position, we are more likely to see kruger on the field than kindle even if he was healthy.