Atd's Yahoo League

[Clutch Ravens]

Just thought I'd start a topic where we could post rosters and evaluate one another's draft. Being a 16 team league, it wasn't exactly easy drafting depth. Luckily enough, however, I landed the 2nd overall pick. Roster is as Follows;

QB - Philip Rivers, Jason Campbell

RB - Adrian Peterson, C.J Spiller, LaDainian Tomlinson, Kevin Smith, Dexter McCluster (Hybrid)

WR - Desean Jackson, Michael Crabtree, Robert Meachem, Roy Williams, Mario Manningham, Dexter McCluster (Hybrid), Brandon LaFell

TE - Jason Witten, Marcedes Lewis

K - Dan Carpenter

D - Arizona Cardinals

IDP:

DB - Charles Woodson

LB - Jon Beason

DL - Jared Allen

My TE depth is a little thin and my running game is dependant on Spiller (Who just signed) but other than that I'm pretty happy with my team.

[Ed_Reed20]

No reason we can't evaluate rosters in the Yahoo league topic.

[Ed_Reed20]

Looking at your team, I really don't see much upside with your WRs outside of Jackson, Crabtree and maybe McCluster. Meachem likely won't replicate his incredible catch/TD ratio this year, Roy E. is a bum, Manningham looks likely to lose the #2 WR job to Nicks and although LaFell has made a strong push to be the starter, he'll still be a rookie WR with an inexperienced QB playing in a run-first offense.

Having Peterson is great but like you said, if Spiller doesn't have a solid year, there isn't much else you can rely on in your RB corps.

I like your IDPs.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1281113794' post='445669']
Looking at your team, I really don't see much upside with your WRs outside of Jackson, Crabtree and maybe McCluster. Meachem likely won't replicate his incredible catch/TD ratio this year, Roy E. is a bum, Manningham looks likely to lose the #2 WR job to Nicks and although LaFell has made a strong push to be the starter, he'll still be a rookie WR with an inexperienced QB playing in a run-first offense.

Having Peterson is great but like you said, if Spiller doesn't have a solid year, there isn't much else you can rely on in your RB corps.

I like your IDPs.
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Easy now, this is a 16 team league he is in.

I actually like your team for a 16 team league. Forget TE depth you don't need depth. Witten is a solid TE and will put up decent and consistent numbers for you.

I actually like your team a lot. WR's are pretty strong for a 16 team league and you have at least one stud player at each position. I like your team a lot. I think for rb, Kevin smith might get some carries (i've heard he is playing better everyday and being competitive for the rb spot), LT is running behind a better o line this time and might be ok for some matchup.

Campbell is a good backup, Rivers is very good. Spiller is a solid sleeper and so is Meachem. Good picking give it to clutch clayton.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1281114497' post='445680']
Easy now, this is a 16 team league he is in.

I actually like your team for a 16 team league. Forget TE depth you don't need depth. Witten is a solid TE and will put up decent and consistent numbers for you.

I actually like your team a lot. WR's are pretty strong for a 16 team league and you have at least one stud player at each position. I like your team a lot. I think for rb, Kevin smith might get some carries (i've heard he is playing better everyday and being competitive for the rb spot), LT is running behind a better o line this time and might be ok for some matchup.

Campbell is a good backup, Rivers is very good. Spiller is a solid sleeper and so is Meachem. Good picking give it to clutch clayton.
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I know it's a 16-team league.

There are a number of players on his team that don't appear to be in favorable situations in my opinion. You have your opinions regarding his players and I'm entitled to mine. Nothing will be proven till the season starts though.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1281114921' post='445684']
I know it's a 16-team league.

There are a number of players on his team that don't appear to be in favorable situations in my opinion. You have your opinions regarding his players and I'm entitled to mine. Nothing will be proven till the season starts though.
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I'm not saying his players are in great situations. And actually in anything under a 14 team league he would be in a rough spot, but in 16 team leagues you kind of have to go for the hope and pray method. But I can see where his team could contend and be ok.

I mean look at his receivers, Jackson is a stud regardless at qb (kolb will throw the long bomb anyway), Crabtree I think will breakout and have a good year, Roy Williams will start the year as number 2 at least because Dez is hurt. Those three will get some catches. Not bad.

Rb he is hurtings but Spiller is a breakout candidate. And AP will carry his rbs. And qb he is in good situation in my mind with Campbell as a backup. For a 16 team league, not bad

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1281115332' post='445693']
I'm not saying his players are in great situations. And actually in anything under a 14 team league he would be in a rough spot, but in 16 team leagues you kind of have to go for the hope and pray method. But I can see where his team could contend and be ok.

I mean look at his receivers, Jackson is a stud regardless at qb (kolb will throw the long bomb anyway), Crabtree I think will breakout and have a good year, Roy Williams will start the year as number 2 at least because Dez is hurt. Those three will get some catches. Not bad.

Rb he is hurtings but Spiller is a breakout candidate. And AP will carry his rbs. And qb he is in good situation in my mind with Campbell as a backup. For a 16 team league, not bad
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Jackson and Crabtree should be fine but I'm not feeling Williams, even as the #2 guy. It says a lot that he's been in Dallas for two seasons and was getting pushed out of his job by a rookie.

Spiller [i]could[/i] breakout but we'll see how he adapts to running in the NFL. Reggie Bush and Darren McFadden seemed virtual locks to be fantasy stars as rookies but didn't really do it.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I'll do it for the hell of it:

QB:
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Moore

RB:
Shonn Greene
Ricky Williams
Laurence Maroney
Jerious Norwood

WR:
Steve Smith (Panthers)
Dez Bryant
Antonio Bryant
Austin Collie
Malcolm Floyd
Earl Bennett

TE:
Brent Celek
Brandon Pettigrew
Rob Gronkowski

K:
Jay Feely

DEF:
Dallas

DL:
Mario Williams

LB:
Karlos Dansby

DB:
Leon Hall

Moore is stictly a one week guy when Rodgers in on his bye. My runningbacks will either pay off or bust. Greene should have a good year, Williams may take a hit with Marshall in town, and Maroney is inconsistent at best (but has served me well in past leagues). Dez Bryant is an unknown right now, as is Antonio. Floyd will put up some good numbers when Jackson isn't playing, while Collie can be a great pick-up depending on how Indy's depth chart pans out. Brent Celek will be in the line-up every week, with Pettigrew filling in for his bye. Very happy with my IDP selections, although I had to pick up Dansby when Dumervil went down.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1281115925' post='445701']
Jackson and Crabtree should be fine but I'm not feeling Williams, even as the #2 guy. It says a lot that he's been in Dallas for two seasons and was getting pushed out of his job by a rookie.

Spiller [i]could[/i] breakout but we'll see how he adapts to running in the NFL. Reggie Bush and Darren McFadden seemed virtual locks to be fantasy stars as rookies but didn't really do it.
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Yup, I completely agree with you. And the bills just suck, and Fred Jackson is pretty good and will definitely get most of the carries in my opinion. And they are paying Lynch a lot, so I figure he will get the ball a lot too.

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1281116034' post='445702']

Moore is stictly a one week guy when Rodgers in on his bye. My runningbacks will either pay off or bust. Greene should have a good year, Williams may take a hit with Marshall in town, and Maroney is inconsistent at best (but has served me well in past leagues). Dez Bryant is an unknown right now, as is Antonio. Floyd will put up some good numbers when Jackson isn't playing, while Collie can be a great pick-up depending on how Indy's depth chart pans out. Brent Celek will be in the line-up every week, with Pettigrew filling in for his bye. Very happy with my IDP selections, although I had to pick up Dansby when Dumervil went down.
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I agree with everything you said here. I hope Bryant comes through. He is a sleeper I have in one league. I really hope he get some balls in that cowboys offense.

Floyd apparently has looked great in camp. Just so you know

[AwakenTheDemon]

Floyd will be fantastic the longer V-Jax. The best possible scenario for my wide outs is that Austin Collie makes the slot position in Indianapolis, Dez Bryant sees a good amount of balls thrown his way, and Antonio's recent injury (and addition to TO) doesn't completely kill his output this season.

Then as long as Greene does what he did at the end of last season all this season and Ricky Williams isn't too adversely effected by Marshall coming to town, my team will be solid.

[PuRock]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1281117245' post='445714']
Floyd will be fantastic the longer V-Jax. The best possible scenario for my wide outs is that Austin Collie makes the slot position in Indianapolis, Dez Bryant sees a good amount of balls thrown his way, and Antonio's recent injury (and addition to TO) doesn't completely kill his output this season.

Then as long as Greene does what he did at the end of last season all this season and Ricky Williams isn't too adversely effected by Marshall coming to town, my team will be solid.
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I don't know about Floyd even with V-Jax out. Floyd isn't fast, nor does he have great hands. He benefited being on the opposite side of V-Jax. Now with V-Jax out, he'll have to face tougher CBs.

His numbers will increase sure, he'll be a #1. But he'll hardly put up #1 (or even #2) receiver stats.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I'm not saying he'll put up true #1 numbers at all, but the increased value and output from him being a temporary #1 will be fantastic for a #3 or 4 WR on my team.

[PuRock]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1281117880' post='445719']
I'm not saying he'll put up true #1 numbers at all, but the increased value and output from him being a temporary #1 will be fantastic for a #3 or 4 WR on my team.
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True. I guess that's the trade off. You could get a guy that might put up #2 WR production at a discount. But that could only last for a few games.

[AwakenTheDemon]

There's a lot of guys that [i]could[/i] pay off for me on my team (Collie, Floyd, both Bryants, Williams. Essentially my entire WR corp). My team will either do very well... or fail miserably.

[PuRock]

Steve Smith (Panthers) - Upside (with good value if Moore can play)
Dez Bryant - Upside
Antonio Bryant - Downside (Owens and OchoCinco on a team that want to run the ball isn't very promising)
Austin Collie - Downside (Playing time will be in question with Gonzales being back, and Garcon rising)
Malcolm Floyd - Upside
Earl Bennett - Downside (What we saw from him in 2009 is what you'll get if your're lucky, Devin rising)

The way I see it is your WR is 3-3 with potential. That's good odds.

[JO_75]

Despite selecting near dead last of the 16 teams I still managed to pull of a decent team, I'm especially happy with my IDP players.

QB- Eli Manning; Matt Hasselback(Bench)
RB- Ryan Grant; Steve Slaton; Glen Coffee and Julius Jones
WR- Brandon Marshall; Hakeem Nicks; Kenny Britt Golden Tate; Johnny Knox;
TE- Kellen Winslow; Todd Heap
K- Billy Cundiff
DEF- Vikings

IDP:

DB: Revis Island
DL: Haloti Ngata
LB: Barrett Ruud
Bench: Eric Berry and Brian Orakpo

TE and RB could be upgraded but I think I'm fine barring some injury. Hopefully Revis don't holdout to the regular season but that's why I got Berry, just as a safety net for Revis if he holds out.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1281121576' post='445760']
Despite selecting near dead last of the 16 teams I still managed to pull of a decent team, I'm especially happy with my IDP players.

QB- Eli Manning; Matt Hasselback(Bench)
RB- Ryan Grant; Steve Slaton; Glen Coffee and Julius Jones
WR- Brandon Marshall; Hakeem Nicks; Kenny Britt Golden Tate; Johnny Knox;
TE- Kellen Winslow; Todd Heap
K- Billy Cundiff
DEF- Vikings

IDP:

DB: Revis Island
DL: Haloti Ngata
LB: Barrett Ruud
Bench: Eric Berry and Brian Orakpo

TE and RB could be upgraded but I think I'm fine barring some injury. Hopefully Revis don't holdout to the regular season but that's why I got Berry, just as a safety net for Revis if he holds out.
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I'll leave your offense for others to analyze but I recommend you check the IDP primer I posted on the "Yahoo fantasy league" topic and pick up a better d-lineman than Ngata. His tackle numbers have decreased every year the last 3 seasons and he isn't going to get you many sacks either.

I also suggest you drop Revis and start Berry. Teams won't test Revis nearly as much as they did last season meaning he likely won't get as many tackles, PDs or INTs.

[PuRock]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1281121576' post='445760']
Despite selecting near dead last of the 16 teams I still managed to pull of a decent team, I'm especially happy with my IDP players.

QB- Eli Manning; Matt Hasselback(Bench)
RB- Ryan Grant; Steve Slaton; Glen Coffee and Julius Jones
WR- Brandon Marshall; Hakeem Nicks; Kenny Britt Golden Tate; Johnny Knox;
TE- Kellen Winslow; Todd Heap

IDP:

DB: Revis Island
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Positives: Good mix of middle of the pack QBs and TEs. Your starting WR core will be fine with Marshall and Nicks. Nicks has the potential to be a 1000+ yard guy.

Negatives: Steve Slayton will get passing opps, but his rushing attempts will be poor. With a new coach in town, this is the year that Julius loses his job forever. At least Ryan Grant will get you consistent numbers.

Having Revis or Aso isn't a good thing in IDP. I think teams will be less likely to throw his way this year (even more than last) his stats won't be that great, even though he's the best corner.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1281121962' post='445768']
I also suggest you drop Revis and start Berry. Teams won't test Revis nearly as much as they did last season meaning he likely won't get as many tackles, PDs or INTs.
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You just stole my thunder on this point.

People always see the name Revis or Aso and think they're the best guys to draft.

Plus you probably don't want to carry more than 1 person at any IDP position at this point in the game.

[AwakenTheDemon]

As dominating and "feared" Aso and Revis are, I'd never pick them up in an IDP league for exactly the reasons ED20 stated. They'll shutdown their side of the field due to reputation alone at the expense of their statistics.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1281122326' post='445776']
You just stole my thunder on this point.

People always see the name Revis or Aso and think they're the best guys to draft.

Plus you probably don't want to carry more than 1 person at any IDP position at this point in the game.

Plus you probably don't want to carry more than 1 person at any IDP position at this point in the game.
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Yep.

Looking forward to drafting average defensive players that will see a lot of defensive snaps when/if we do the IDP-exclusive league.

I agree about not needing to carry an extra IDP position right now. It's better to take a flier on an offensive player and cut him or someone else later if you don't want to drop an IDP stud during his bye.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1281122517' post='445781']
Yep.

Looking forward to drafting average defensive players that will see a lot of defensive snaps when/if we do the IDP-exclusive league.
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I guess I can create an IDP league.....*drags feet*......I just hate wrangling up people for draft times, etc.

[JO_75]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1281121962' post='445768']
I'll leave your offense for others to analyze but I recommend you check the IDP primer I posted on the "Yahoo fantasy league" topic and pick up a better d-lineman than Ngata. His tackle numbers have decreased every year the last 3 seasons and he isn't going to get you many sacks either.

[b]I also suggest you drop Revis and start Berry. Teams won't test Revis nearly as much as they did last season meaning he likely won't get as many tackles, PDs or INTs.[/b]
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I was actually thinking about doing that and starting Berry. I just don't want to drop Revis especially if someone wants Revis and is willing to trade for him so I get something in return like RB or TE help.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Aso's sitting in free-agency and ranked below Lardarius Webb, Fabian Washington, Antonio Cromartie, Chris Carr, Leodis McKelvin, Joe Haden, Ike Taylor, and Dre' Bly to name a few.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1281122609' post='445782']
I guess I can create an IDP league.....*drags feet*......I just hate wrangling up people for draft times, etc.
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At least one person will always have a problem with the draft time. If you can't make it, adjust your rankings and hope for the best.


[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1281122843' post='445788']
I was actually thinking about doing that and starting Berry. I just don't want to drop Revis especially if someone wants Revis and is willing to trade for him so I get something in return like RB or TE help.
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If [b]anyone[/b] wants to trade for Revis, they should be kicked out the league.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1281122885' post='445789']
Aso's sitting in free-agency and ranked below Lardarius Webb, Fabian Washington, Antonio Cromartie, Chris Carr, Leodis McKelvin, Joe Haden, Ike Taylor, and Dre' Bly to name a few.
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Can't stand the guy but Cromartie is someone I'd target in an IDP league. He can't really tackle but should see a lot of action and he's got amazing ball skills. Haden will see a lot of action too.

[XxSizzleXx]

Considering my first draft pick was in Round 11 or something I'd say I ended up with a decent team

QB - Kolb, Garrard
RB - Mendenhall, McCoy, Addai, Taylor, Gerhart
WR - Fitz, Maclin, Bess, Cotchery, Hartline
TE - Olsen, Thomas

IDP - Dawkins, Tuck, Vilma

I think if McCoy can have a 1000 yard season I can do some damage here.

[lowrider]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1281125833' post='445838']

I think if McCoy can have a 1000 yard season I can do some damage here.
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Thats a big if. Westbrook had two seasons where he rushed over 1000 yards. The Eagles don't run the ball real well and they pass a lot. McCoy could get a decent amount of yards in the pass. But I don't think he is Westbrook by a long shot. Just my opinion. A lot of others on this forum like him. I'm just not one of them.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Yeah, I don't think you'll be getting 1000 yards rushing out of McCoy, however this is a PPR league, so you'll get some additional value out of him due to the passing game. He should end up being a solid second running back for you.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1281126254' post='445846']
Thats a big if. Westbrook had two seasons where he rushed over 1000 yards. The Eagles don't run the ball real well and they pass a lot. McCoy could get a decent amount of yards in the pass. But I don't think he is Westbrook by a long shot. Just my opinion. A lot of others on this forum like him. I'm just not one of them.
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I'm just shooting for 1000 all purpose yards from him as he will get touches in the passing game as well. 1000 rushing yards would be money. Also with Kolb at the helm I don't think the Eagles will have a deep passing attack this year but more of an efficient air attack, which I think will result in them running more.

I am set at RB though as Mendy will get his touches and Addai will get his TD's. I'm very happy with my RB's just don't dig my Wideouts that much.

I'm hoping Chester can snag the starting job in Chicago as I am not high on Forte at all.