Sergio Kindle Head Injury

[Bltravens]

Personally I cant believe what kind of dumb luck this whole scenario is...but I do know that now we'll finally find out just how good Barnes is on 3rd down for an entire season.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Bltravens' date='26 July 2010 - 10:26 PM' timestamp='1280211967' post='438218']
Personally I cant believe what kind of dumb luck this whole scenario is...but I do know that now we'll finally find out just how good Barnes is on 3rd down for an entire season.
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An entire season.. he just has a fractured skull, he might not even miss all of training camp.

[NinjaTurtle]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='27 July 2010 - 04:53 PM' timestamp='1280213585' post='438221']
An entire season.. he just has a fractured skull, he might not even miss all of training camp.
[/quote]

You can't rush these things, he needs to take time to get back to full health. It shouldn't take all season to recover and hopefully he learns from this.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='27 July 2010 - 02:53 AM' timestamp='1280213585' post='438221']
An entire season.. he just has a fractured skull, he might not even miss all of training camp.
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Yeah, I dont see this being too serious....I was in a car accident new years day, got a fracture in my dome, just have a nice scar on my scalp now to show for it nothing else.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='27 July 2010 - 12:53 AM' timestamp='1280213585' post='438221']
An entire season.. he just has a fractured skull, he might not even miss all of training camp.
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I didnt mean that Kindle would be out the entire season, but from now until hes cleared for actual physical contact could be awhile. Then you have to factor in his practice time and getting back on the field getting back into the flow of things. I really dont see how he could be back before camp breaks. And if he isnt, Barnes will be filling Kindle's 3rd down role.

[Reddawn36]

I don't mean to sound like I'm saying kindle's injury is a good thing in any way... but maybe it's a sign that someone else on our roster is "better" for the OLB position...

I mean the year we drafted flacco we weren't going to start him, until boller got a shoulder injury that put him on IR and smith had his illness.... and that turned out pretty well for us

Maybe something similar will happen w/ the OLB position


Get Well Soon Kindle

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Reddawn36' date='27 July 2010 - 03:13 PM' timestamp='1280258029' post='438501']
I don't mean to sound like I'm saying kindle's injury is a good thing in any way... but maybe [b]it's a sign that someone else on our roster is "better" for the OLB position...[/b]

I mean the year we drafted flacco we weren't going to start him, until boller got a shoulder injury that put him on IR and smith had his illness.... and that turned out pretty well for us

Maybe something similar will happen w/ the OLB position


Get Well Soon Kindle
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I wouldn't say it's a "sign" but someone could definitely step up and make an impact in his absence.

[theFRANCHISE]

I think it's interesting how, in the midst of discussing the potential impact Kindle's absence [i]may[/i] have, people have forgotten all about Antwan Barnes (as stated above) and Jameel McClain. The experiment with McClain at ILB is pretty much over as Dannell Ellerbe and Tavares Gooden are the two men left standing in competition for the spot next to Ray Lewis. McClain is a more natural hybrid outside rusher, and now that he's able to get back to his original position, he should see more success in 2010. Furthermore, although Paul Kruger may be used primarily as a defensive end, he still has the agility to play outside 'backer and was drafted as a hybrid to begin with. If Kruger can take that year's worth of experience and conditioning and show what he's learned on the field, he may be the dark horse in this OLB race.

That's not to mention the return of a healthy Terrell Suggs and Jarret Johnson. Y'know. The guys who had been starting at those positions for the past couple of seasons and have performed exceptionally well, even with Suggs' down year last season.

[J-man]

It's all about the depth.

[Milton145]

I love Antwan Barnes' ability as an edge rusher. Plus not to mention he's much more experienced. This could be good for Kindle to actually watch closely from the sidelines during the season. I play football in high school as a linebacker and since this is my first year playing at the school, I'm not starting. But however, watching the starters closely from the sidelines and seeing the little things they do have helped me so much it's not even funny. Same can happen for Kindle.

It sucks that he's injured, but we didn't draft any starters to begin with. Not as concerning as say, Reed and Webby not being able to play the first 6 weeks.

[gumbleton]

[quote name='NinjaTurtle' date='27 July 2010 - 02:29 AM' timestamp='1280215758' post='438230']
You can't rush these things, he needs to take time to get back to full health. It shouldn't take all season to recover and hopefully he learns from this.
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well said

[grape drank]

[quote name='GTRavens' date='25 July 2010 - 06:58 PM' timestamp='1280102290' post='437322']
That's a bit of a reach, don't you think, and even more of one to criticize Ozzie because of this? Besides, why would he already need to be in Baltimore a few days before camp starts?
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if you suffer a concussion you are unable to travel for a couple weeks, as rides on planes, and altitudes can really mess up your brain more, he'll be in texas til his 100ish%

[Milton145]

I love the quote in your sig gumbleton

[RavensAllTheWay]

I hate to sound negative, but are we not the team we thought we were? Even if it was a freak accident, the truth is it's a dangerous occurence. Not to mention, Reed is upset with the team, Cody and Harris don't pass the conditioning tests (although they probably will before the season starts), and TO and just signed in with the Bengals.

I can honestly say that for the first time this entire offseason, I'm starting to doubt our chances at winning the division and being one of the elite teams. It's beginning to feel like we might be in for a repeat of last season, or possibly worse (although doubtful).

I was just thinking about our front 7 earlier today before I even found out about this incident. I asked myself if I really believe our pass rush is gonna improve as much as we say it is. All we've really added are Cody and Kindle. I know we brought Redding in as well, and maybe he does have loads of waiting potential, but how much better will any of this really make us? I for one think the key is Cody.

If Cody can be on the field, he can make a strong impact. But how much is he really gonna be on the field? I mean we saw Gregg last season, and honestly, I don't really know how much potential he has. Maybe he is another year removed from his injury and could be healthier and better this year than he was last year, but I won't believe it until I see it. With him as NT last season, our pass rush was inconsistent and at times, non exsistent. Now with Kindle's head injury, we don't know how long it will linger or how long it will take him to fully recover, so it could potentially do a little damage to our front 7.

There were others, like Divens, McKinney and Arthur Jones brought in as well, and if for whatever reason they end up seeing the field this year, they have got to be effective. I know our secondary is depending on newcomers to take pressure off the back end, but the only way this can be done is if the pass rush improves drastically from last year.

All I can say is that I hope Sergio is OK and recovers quickly, and that it's important for key newcomers like him and Cody to perform very well. Hate to sound negative, but this offseason is really starting to crash in on us. We gotta keep fighting and make sure we don't stop until we win in Dallas.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' date='27 July 2010 - 11:17 PM' timestamp='1280287075' post='438798']
I hate to sound negative, but are we not the team we thought we were? Even if it was a freak accident, the truth is it's a dangerous occurence. Not to mention, Reed is upset with the team, Cody and Harris don't pass the conditioning tests (although they probably will before the season starts), and TO and just signed in with the Bengals.

I can honestly say that for the first time this entire offseason, I'm starting to doubt our chances at winning the division and being one of the elite teams. It's beginning to feel like we might be in for a repeat of last season, or possibly worse (although doubtful).

I was just thinking about our front 7 earlier today before I even found out about this incident. I asked myself if I really believe our pass rush is gonna improve as much as we say it is. All we've really added are Cody and Kindle. I know we brought Redding in as well, and maybe he does have loads of waiting potential, but how much better will any of this really make us? I for one think the key is Cody.

If Cody can be on the field, he can make a strong impact. But how much is he really gonna be on the field? I mean we saw Gregg last season, and honestly, I don't really know how much potential he has. Maybe he is another year removed from his injury and could be healthier and better this year than he was last year, but I won't believe it until I see it. With him as NT last season, our pass rush was inconsistent and at times, non exsistent. Now with Kindle's head injury, we don't know how long it will linger or how long it will take him to fully recover, so it could potentially do a little damage to our front 7.

There were others, like Divens, McKinney and Arthur Jones brought in as well, and if for whatever reason they end up seeing the field this year, they have got to be effective. I know our secondary is depending on newcomers to take pressure off the back end, but the only way this can be done is if the pass rush improves drastically from last year.

All I can say is that I hope Sergio is OK and recovers quickly, and that it's important for key newcomers like him and Cody to perform very well. Hate to sound negative, but this offseason is really starting to crash in on us. We gotta keep fighting and make sure we don't stop until we win in Dallas.
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i think we shouldn´t go too far with this! nobody said that kindle would earn a starting spot. i highly doubt that he would heve seen or will see the field that often some of you guys out there might think. we have suggs back in shape (hopefully) and that is what should bring the optimism. on the other side we line up JJ and i hope i do not have ti mention that he is a top 5 LOLB in the league!! kindle would just have to split time with barnes and all the other guys but the starters are suggs and JJ.

as we could read, barnes was very impressive in the OTAs and the coaches said that he improved. he is a great pass rusher and should easily fill in the spot behind JJ in whatsoever situation. he is in his third year now and i have high hopes in this guy as i always had in him.

to the line: gregg is one of if not the best NT in the league for stopping the run. he did great last season wnd will be even better this year as he has a whole year under his belt after his injury. NTs are not out there to rush the passer. i would agree that if someone say that bringing cody in could help the pass rush, because teams have to focus more on the middle of the d-line which opens holes on the outside, but also cody isn´t there to rush the pass!!!

don´t get too negative just because two rookies have little trouble right now. we should be fine in a week or 2.
best wishes for kindle for his full recovery by the way.

[TXRaven]

I am sure all our prayers are with him to recovery physically and as a person first and as a football player second. Realisticly I do not see him making an impact until next year now. I am also sure this cost him money when it comes to the contract. Living in TX I can tell you this kid has made some horrible mistakes in the past, but he is one hell of a player. Once he gets to Baltimore I am sure Ray wil mentor this kid, as he has so many, and the Ravens will reap the rewards. But for right now, just get better please.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Radinho84' date='28 July 2010 - 05:57 AM' timestamp='1280311063' post='438932']
i think we shouldn´t go too far with this! nobody said that kindle would earn a starting spot. i highly doubt that he would heve seen or will see the field that often some of you guys out there might think. we have suggs back in shape (hopefully) and that is what should bring the optimism. on the other side we line up JJ and i hope i do not have ti mention that he is a top 5 LOLB in the league!! kindle would just have to split time with barnes and all the other guys but the starters are suggs and JJ.

as we could read, barnes was very impressive in the OTAs and the coaches said that he improved. he is a great pass rusher and should easily fill in the spot behind JJ in whatsoever situation. he is in his third year now and i have high hopes in this guy as i always had in him.

to the line: gregg is one of if not the best NT in the league for stopping the run. he did great last season wnd will be even better this year as he has a whole year under his belt after his injury. NTs are not out there to rush the passer. i would agree that if someone say that bringing cody in could help the pass rush, because teams have to focus more on the middle of the d-line which opens holes on the outside, but also cody isn´t there to rush the pass!!!

don´t get too negative just because two rookies have little trouble right now. we should be fine in a week or 2.
best wishes for kindle for his full recovery by the way.
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Right, but Kindle and Barnes will probably be situational pass rushers. I heard that Kindles been improving in coverage, which is a major positive. And as good as Barnes is at being a rusher, we used him last year in certain situations and still the pass rush was limited in its effectiveness. That's why I think Cody is the key. Even if he doesn't rush the passer, he's a NT, and one of his jobs out there is to open up pass rushing lanes for our LBs to get to the QB. One of his jobs out there is to free up Suggs, JJ, Kindle, Barnes, etc as well as cause match up problems and stuff the run.

[ellicottraven]

Sadly, it almost seems like he will spend the year on IR and learn the defense from the sidelines which might turn out to be a good thing for him... however, I would love to see him play this year and create havoc for opposing QBs'!

[theFRANCHISE]

Kindle's old college coach Mack Brown is speculating that his fall may have been caused by narcolepsy, which Kindle reportedly takes medication for. ([url="http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/07/college_coach_says_narcolepsy_might_have_caused_kindles_fall_1.html"]LINK[/url])

That's exactly why you don't jump to conclusions about things like this. It may not have been as cut-and-dry as Kindle allegedly having been intoxicated, despite his past.

[Betweenthetackles]

Kindle's dad said that it was really dark and he wasn't familier with the house....doesn't matter if your narcoleptic now does it..you are sleep walking. Meaning, the lights could be on or off and it wouldn't matter..because Sergio was asleep while stumbling around at the function. Hold a press conference and tell the truth..why can't people tell the truth and say they screwed up...by skating the issue it makes it 10x worse. Look at what happened to John Edwards and his escapades.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Betweenthetackles' date='28 July 2010 - 11:39 PM' timestamp='1280374788' post='439604']
Kindle's dad said that it was really dark and he wasn't familier with the house....doesn't matter if your narcoleptic now does it..you are sleep walking. Meaning, the lights could be on or off and it wouldn't matter..because Sergio was asleep while stumbling around at the function. Hold a press conference and tell the truth..why can't people tell the truth and say they screwed up...by skating the issue it makes it 10x worse. Look at what happened to John Edwards and his escapades.
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Why so harsh on the kid? He had an accident, he only hurt himself. It's not like he was peddling drugs or shooting at people. He has a legitimate medical disorder that may (keyphrase: [i]may[/i]) have played a factor in his accident, so why pass judgment if we don't know all the facts?

[Betweenthetackles]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='28 July 2010 - 11:41 PM' timestamp='1280374883' post='439608']
Why so harsh on the kid? He had an accident, he only hurt himself. It's not like he was peddling drugs or shooting at people. He has a legitimate medical disorder that may (keyphrase: [i]may[/i]) have played a factor in his accident, so why pass judgment if we don't know all the facts?
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history

New York Times Jan 2010 article

alcohol
lack of discipline
lack of respect for authority
violence
Not much character, honor, virtures or integrity for starters.....do you want more?
terrible enviornment growing up...one of survival...which unfortunately impacts the way he carries himself as an adult..
breakdown of the family unit...
Any church?
Leaving the scene of an accident? Why?
Campus altercation(s)


[i][color="#ff0000"]MOD NOTE: [/color] Link to source article, please. Thank you.[/i]

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Betweenthetackles' date='28 July 2010 - 11:50 PM' timestamp='1280375417' post='439622']
history

New York Times Jan 2010 article

alcohol
lack of discipline
lack of respect for authority
violence
Not much character, honor, virtures or integrity for starters.....do you want more?
terrible enviornment growing up...one of survival...which unfortunately impacts the way he carries himself as an adult..
breakdown of the family unit...
Any church?
Leaving the scene of an accident? Why?
Campus altercation(s)
[/quote]
The DWI charge occurred in 2007 when Kindle was 19 years old -- not to excuse his behavior, but people do a lot of stupid things at that age. His second incident where he ran into a building was because he was texting while driving...something that has, unfortunately, become common and dangerous behavior in this society, hence the increasing number of states and communities adopting bans on cell phone usage while operating a vehicle. Not making any excuses for him, but he [i]is[/i] only a kid.

As for the fights he used to get in...again, when you're 18 or 19 years old and you're going to school on a scholarship, you'll feel a sense of entitlement and do stupid things. Kindle was not the first and he won't be the last. And any speculation on how his childhood would affect his adult behavior is merely that: speculation.

This is not a discussion on the sociological effects of one's upbringing on their future. This is a discussion of an incident that occurred with a young man and how a medical disorder may have affected it. I don't see how anyone here is fit to judge him or persecute him without knowing all of the details of that night. Otherwise, it is mere speculation over a situation where [i]none of us[/i] are judge and jury because, frankly, we're not in that position.

[berad]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' date='29 July 2010 - 12:02 AM' timestamp='1280376135' post='439647']
This is not a discussion on the sociological effects of one's upbringing on their future. This is a discussion of an incident that occurred with a young man and how a medical disorder may have affected it. I don't see how anyone here is fit to judge him or persecute him without knowing all of the details of that night. [b]Otherwise, it is mere speculation over a situation where [i]none of us[/i] are judge and jury because, frankly, we're not in that position.[/b]
[/quote]

Well said, Franny, I agree..

[url="http://www.hulu.com/watch/137373/in-their-own-words-brian-billick"]Start watching at 13:53[/url]

[i]"As much as some of you want to, we are not going to re-try this. It's inappropriate and you're not qualified."[/i]

Billick could lay down a speech..

[ravensconvert]

[quote name='Betweenthetackles' date='28 July 2010 - 11:50 PM' timestamp='1280375417' post='439622']
history

New York Times Jan 2010 article

alcohol
lack of discipline
lack of respect for authority
violence
Not much character, honor, virtures or integrity for starters.....do you want more?
terrible enviornment growing up...one of survival...which unfortunately impacts the way he carries himself as an adult..
breakdown of the family unit...
Any church?
Leaving the scene of an accident? Why?
Campus altercation(s)


[i][color="#ff0000"]MOD NOTE: [/color] Link to source article, please. Thank you.[/i]
[/quote]

Because we all know how a tough upbringing made Rice and Oher unable to play football.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Betweenthetackles' date='28 July 2010 - 10:39 PM' timestamp='1280374788' post='439604']
Kindle's dad said that it was really dark and he wasn't familier with the house....doesn't matter if your narcoleptic now does it..you are sleep walking. Meaning, the lights could be on or off and it wouldn't matter..because Sergio was asleep while stumbling around at the function. Hold a press conference and tell the truth..why can't people tell the truth and say they screwed up...by skating the issue it makes it 10x worse. Look at what happened to John Edwards and his escapades.
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It's funny to see people act as if he fell intentionally.

[berad]

[quote name='-Truth-' date='29 July 2010 - 01:05 AM' timestamp='1280379944' post='439722']
It's funny to see people act as if he fell intentionally.
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He fell because he came from a rough neighborhood

[dpatrickguy]

[quote name='-Truth-' date='29 July 2010 - 01:05 AM' timestamp='1280379944' post='439722']
It's funny to see people act as if he fell intentionally.
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He fell because he is too immature for football! He is a detriment to stairwells nationwide!

[lowrider]

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/07/college_coach_says_narcolepsy_might_have_caused_kindles_fall_1.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sports_football_ravens+%28Ravens+Insider%29

Apparently he has a sleeping disorder. And I think DeCosta was just kidding about the statement saying "we wouldn't have drafted him if we knew it was a problem". This is still just stipulation and not fact, but how much of <[u]jerks[/u]> would people look after all hating on Kindle and it was a sleeping problem. But who knows