Who Thinks Clayton Can Beat Out Stallworth ?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='MountCrushmore' date='25 July 2010 - 08:43 PM' timestamp='1280104993' post='437343']
No chance.
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Although that is a compelling argument, I disagree. Just like anything in life, there is a chance...and in my opinion, a very good one!

[DrMoonTooth]

I think as far as laying claim to the #3 spot, it will be Stallworth's. Nothing against Mark Clayton, but Donte is coming into camp with a much larger chip on his shoulder. You can say whatever you want about Clayton having the bigger chip (playing in his contract year, having real competition for once, yadda yadda yadda), but the fact is Stallworth is looking for redemption. His skill set gives him an edge, too...but only if his speed is still there when the pads come on (a great topic to listen out for as training camp unfolds).

However, if we keep Clayton (which I think we should), I think the #3 spot will be Stallworth's in name only. The two basically will have a time-share on the three spot, even if Stallworth sees a few more snaps there.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

Every one acts like D.Stalls is the second coming and wont even acknowledge that there will be some sort of competition. I give Stalls the edge but not by much, and anyone saying clayton will be beat by D.Reed or one of our PS players or saying he will be cut needs to pull their head out out of their a and do it quick or else your in for a world of disappointment

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' date='27 July 2010 - 09:51 AM' timestamp='1280242262' post='438311']
Every one acts like D.Stalls is the second coming and wont even acknowledge that there will be some sort of competition. I give Stalls the edge but not by much, and [b]anyone saying clayton will be beat by D.Reed or one of our PS players or saying he will be cut needs to pull their head out out of their a and do it quick or else your in for a world of disappointment[/b][/quote]

I agree 100%. Just because Clayton hasn't lived up to first round expectations doens't mean he isn't still significantly better than D. Reed and the Practice Squad. David Reed might be a draft steal, but I don't see him being better than Mark Clayton any time soon...if ever.

[die_hard_raven]

Hey everyone!!! How you been? I've been hiding (working on Grad. degree) but I had to come back and post. Got the itch for football.

I would like to throw a few points out there.

1. We all agree Stallworth has something to prove
2. Year after year we've been waiting for Clayton to have a break out year and it hasn't happened.
3. Even though Stallworth didn't put up stellar numbers in New England or Cleveland he lit it up the year he played with philly after T.O. was gone and he was their main play maker, as always philly was just too cheap to pay someone. I don't think we've ever been able to save that about Clayton for a season have we? Has he even been the main playmaker on the field more than 1 game a year if any?
4. Clayton has not demostrated an ability to separate and get down field.
5. I think Q & Mason will only enhance opportunities for Stallworth and I believe he will give us his all.
6. If Clayton waits this long in his career to give his all (a little late in the game to me) shame on him, you should give your all each and every year. We need to call it like we see it unless his play on the field speaks otherwise.

GO Ravens!!!

[Twoo]

Clayton won't be on the 53 man roster come Sept, I'd bet money on it. He's due to make 2.7 million this season and he is at best a 3rd WR. He's a good route runner and possession receiver but he's ALWAYS had problems with separation and he's not all that quick to begin with. Stallworth at 900k, D.Reed and Riley will be our WR core behind Boldin and Mason. Clayton will be cut unless he's willing to renegociate his contract to at least 50% less than he's due to make this season.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='Twoo' date='27 July 2010 - 11:50 AM' timestamp='1280249438' post='438393']
Clayton won't be on the 53 man roster come Sept, I'd bet money on it. He's due to make 2.7 million this season and he is at best a 3rd WR. He's a good route runner and possession receiver but he's ALWAYS had problems with separation and he's not all that quick to begin with. Stallworth at 900k, D.Reed and Riley will be our WR core behind Boldin and Mason. Clayton will be cut unless he's willing to renegociate his contract to at least 50% less than he's due to make this season.
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That's a definite possibility that I've been thinking about as well. Clayton will be making way more than his role will be worth next season, but I could see us keeping him for our Super Bowl run just because he could do a lot of damage against #3 or #4 corners. Both him and Demetrius Williams could lose out big time from all these upgrades.

[SIZZLE4PRESIDENT]

Both of these guys are injury prone in my opinion. Clayton seems to always be hampered by some leg injury that limits his separation whether its an ankle or a hammy. I think this one goes to whoever stays the closest thing to 100% healthy

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='die_hard_raven' date='27 July 2010 - 10:39 AM' timestamp='1280248777' post='438382']
Hey everyone!!! How you been? I've been hiding (working on Grad. degree) but I had to come back and post. Got the itch for football.

I would like to throw a few points out there.

1. We all agree Stallworth has something to prove.
[b]Clayton does too, this is his contract year. he has to prove he belongs on this team or another
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2. Year after year we've been waiting for Clayton to have a break out year and it hasn't happened.
[b]We've been waiting for him to break into that #1 spot to represent the 1st round pick spent on him. we are not talkin about that anymore. when you debate if he can take a #3 spot you should forget that "breakout" mentality because obviously its not gonna happen. no he wont "breakout" any more than Stalls will but he should excel against weaker competition in the spot where he stoodout in college(the slot)
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3. Even though Stallworth didn't put up stellar numbers in New England or Cleveland he lit it up the year he played with philly after T.O. was gone and he was their main play maker, as always philly was just too cheap to pay someone. I don't think we've ever been able to save that about Clayton for a season have we? Has he even been the main playmaker on the field more than 1 game a year if any?
[b]no he was never the #1 play maker, luckily we have had Mase the whole of claytons career for that, but he made plays. i think your thinking of his last year with the saints(2005) when he had 945 yrds his one year with the eagles(2006) he had 725. but the same year 2006 Clayton had 939 yrds. selective memory much?[/b]

4. Clayton has not demostrated an ability to separate and get down field.
[b]D.Stalls career total 40yrd+ receptions 13
M.Clayton career total 40yrd+ receptions 15(mind u he played 2 less years)
CLAYTON CAN GET DOWNFIELD[/b]

5. I think Q & Mason will only enhance opportunities for Stallworth and I believe he will give us his all.
[b]this can just as easily be said for clayton[/b]

6. If Clayton waits this long in his career to give his all (a little late in the game to me) shame on him, you should give your all each and every year. We need to call it like we see it unless his play on the field speaks otherwise.
[b]Clayton and Stalls numbers are vary close. its really a thin line what your sayin here especially since D.Stalls was taken 9 picks before Clayton in the draft[/b]

GO Ravens!!!
[b]i can agree with that[/b]
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[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='Twoo' date='27 July 2010 - 10:50 AM' timestamp='1280249438' post='438393']
Clayton won't be on the 53 man roster come Sept, I'd bet money on it. He's due to make 2.7 million this season and he is at best a 3rd WR. He's a good route runner and possession receiver but he's ALWAYS had problems with separation and he's not all that quick to begin with. Stallworth at 900k, D.Reed and Riley will be our WR core behind Boldin and Mason. Clayton will be cut unless he's willing to renegociate his contract to at least 50% less than he's due to make this season.
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you must like losin money... ill take that bet. just tell me how much and how you plan on gettin it to me

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Twoo' date='27 July 2010 - 11:50 AM' timestamp='1280249438' post='438393']
Clayton won't be on the 53 man roster come Sept, I'd bet money on it. He's due to make 2.7 million this season and he is at best a 3rd WR. He's a good route runner and possession receiver but he's ALWAYS had problems with separation and he's not all that quick to begin with. Stallworth at 900k, D.Reed and Riley will be our WR core behind Boldin and Mason. Clayton will be cut unless he's willing to renegociate his contract to at least 50% less than he's due to make this season.
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Marc Bulger is making $3.8 million as a back-up. I'll take that bet.

[RavensAllTheWay]

All I can say is that there is plenty of competition in training camp this year. More than usual, that's for sure. I will not rule anything out in terms of this team and it's players.

[flynismo]

It's unlikely, but possible...

[reediddy]

I don't think it's possible but I still want Clayton on the final roster. The battle will probably end up being between him and D Williams, and that's a tough battle there too. I'd be happy with either as our 4th, but probably moreso Clayton because he has more game experience

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='23 July 2010 - 11:01 PM' timestamp='1279944086' post='436638']
You know that much about Reed already? Wow!! Not to mention Clayton does drop lots of BALL (notice I didn't make it plural), so his hands are a huge question mark.
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hahaha i like this post

[lowrider]

This is a very strange argument. First of all, does anyone know how good Stallworth is? Because we haven't seen him play in a year, and actually when he did play, he really wasn't that good to put it bluntly. He's never gotten above 1000 yards. Neither has Clayton. I would say the playing field is pretty equal.

So it's strange when people say Clayton has no chance. Because it doesn't really make sense.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='-Truth-' date='27 July 2010 - 09:17 PM' timestamp='1280287070' post='438797']
Marc Bulger is making $3.8 million as a back-up. I'll take that bet.
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didnt even think of that... a to u sir


"Mike Duffy about 1 hour ago
Long bomb and TD from Flacco to Clayton in pass skele. Clayton got on his horse"

clayton
as far as twits go (or is it tweets?)

[Perfekt]

he knows whats on the line if he dont show up then hes going to get dropped. personally im not against clayton i just dont think hes good under pressure.

[Milton145]

I wouldn't say that. His main thing is failing to get separation. But you can't deny he has made some plays for us in the past.

[RayZ27]

clayton on special teams stallworth 3rd string

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='RayZ27' date='29 July 2010 - 03:20 PM' timestamp='1280438442' post='440093']
clayton on special teams stallworth 3rd string
[/quote]stalls should return kicks

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' date='30 July 2010 - 10:40 AM' timestamp='1280500846' post='440578']
stalls should return kicks
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Stallworth might return kicks but I think Parmele and Reed have a better chance at doing it.

[XxSizzleXx]

Reed could do some damage on special teams, the kid looks like he has some speed.

[ravensfan2424]

kelley gregg for #3 WR!

[Ravensfan23]

there has been some reports that Clayton is having an outstanding camp so far, so much so that he might even be ahead of Stallworth for number 3 WR.

It'll be interesting to see Clayton work against lesser DBs this season. I won't go as far to say Clayton will have a pro bowl type season, but he could definitely have a very productive season for the Ravens.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I hear Clayton is doing really well at camp, this is only good news for the team - considering praise has already been given to Stallworth for his play at camp.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1281131211' post='445917']
there has been some reports that Clayton is having an outstanding camp so far, so much so that he might even be ahead of Stallworth for number 3 WR.

It'll be interesting to see Clayton work against lesser DBs this season. I won't go as far to say Clayton will have a pro bowl type season, but he could definitely have a very productive season for the Ravens.
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#3 WR is generally slot, which Clayton being there isn't a surprise to me. Everyone has been so high on Stalls like he's some sort of 1,000 yarder and he's not. I love him and think he's a great pick up, but I do believe Clayton will shine where he should have always been - in the slot.

Can't wait to see 4 WR sets with Rice and whatever TE we use...WOW!!!

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1281146216' post='446025']
#3 WR is generally slot, which Clayton being there isn't a surprise to me. Everyone has been so high on Stalls like he's some sort of 1,000 yarder and he's not. I love him and think he's a great pick up, but I do believe Clayton will shine where he should have always been - in the slot.

[b]Can't wait to see 4 WR sets with Rice and whatever TE we use...WOW!!![/b]
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Boldin, Mason, Stallworth, Clayton and Heap, Rice in the back field... ZING!

[Romo Ravens]

I don't think it's so much as Ravens fans think Stallworth is a God, but I feel that most of it has to do with the impatience we have with Clayton. I for one am sick of him. I think he's wasting a spot on the roster, and many of our younger WR's are being held back because of the chances we're giving him, and he has never taken full advantage of them. This happens every offseason where he's praised in camp, we get our hopes up, then he drops a games winning ball and disappears the game after he totalled 100+ yards with a TD. All I know is that someone with Stallworth's shiftiness and speed interests me. He also has [b]soft[/b] hands and can run crisp routes.

I know Clayton won't be cut before this season starts, but I pray that Stallworth beats him for that number three spot at least. I also hope that the coaching staff doesn't limit the likes of David Reed, Eron Riley, Marcus Smith and Just Harper because they're trying to get their investement back from Mark which was a first round pick. If we're going to talk about Clayton having a good offseason, [b][url="http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/08/stallworth.html"]let's talk about Stallworth shining as well.[/url][/b]

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

I don't think Stallworth is a God; I'm just happy he's on our team because he is a physically gifted receiver with big play ability. I expect him to have a fantastic year! As for Clayton, well, his chances are running out on this team in my opinion.