Who Thinks Clayton Can Beat Out Stallworth ?

[edreedfromtheu]

The Ravens are going to need a receiver who can get down the field behind the defense. I'd say that means out of Stallworth, Clayton, and Williams... two of those guys will make the team.

And I'm still holding out hope that they either re-sign Kelly Washington, or Justin Harper makes the team, so that the Ravens have a tall red-zone threat that can out-jump people.

So they would carry 5 receivers: Mason, Boldin, any two of(Stallworth, Clayton, Williams), and either Washington or Harper.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='24 July 2010 - 10:22 AM' timestamp='1279981358' post='436731']
all right, 3 replies in a row for me here....

Sometimes I think people talk/type to just to hear themselves talk/type.

For those that think Stalls has the #3 spot locked up, do some research. Learn a little about both players, educate yourselves and then come back and give an accomplished response. Their stats are almost identical if you were to multiply Claytons by 1.4 (ratio of 7 playing years for Stalls compared to 5 for Clayton).....and thats not even taking into account the QB comparison of Brady/McNabb/Brees to Boller/McNair(for just about one year)Flacco....

Clayton has a great chance of grabbing the #3 spot!
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I never agree with this guy, but I do today! +1! haha

[Milton145]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='24 July 2010 - 11:22 AM' timestamp='1279984966' post='436745']
The Ravens are going to need a receiver who can get down the field behind the defense. I'd say that means out of Stallworth, Clayton, and Williams... two of those guys will make the team.

And I'm still holding out hope that they either re-sign Kelly Washington, or Justin Harper makes the team, so that the Ravens have a tall red-zone threat that can out-jump people.

So they would carry 5 receivers: Mason, Boldin, any two of(Stallworth, Clayton, Williams), and either Washington or Harper.
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I just don't see Williams making the roster at all IMO.

Also throw David Reed in the mix since he might be doing some punt/kick returning as well.

[Guest RBates]

wow some of these guys obviously don't watch football Mark Clayton has no hands are you kidding me. David reed can beat him out of his spot.......sure....and Ladarius Webb is a predator from another planet. Wow i love that we have all these position battles going on in training camp. Should make for an interesting summer.

[ellicottraven]

[quote name='Milton145' date='23 July 2010 - 10:48 PM' timestamp='1279939695' post='436609']
Do you think Clayton can claim our #3 Receiver spot over Stallworth? He's capable of making plays against #2 corners against second tier corners, so maybe he'll do better against #3 corners.
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Reasonable logic - but what make you wonder that Stallworth won't do the same or better?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' date='24 July 2010 - 11:24 AM' timestamp='1279985073' post='436746']
I never agree with this guy, but I do today! +1! haha
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but you should, I'm 90% right at least half the time

[RavensAllTheWay]

In a situation where we have to fly down the field in a hurry, the deep threat will be the first thing taken away from our aerial attack. Meaning no Stalls. And I'm not saying that Clayton is a choker because he only has one memorable drop in a pressure situation, but we have old reliable Mason and Ray Rice, two definite go to guys.

I agree that Stalls and Clayton will each be useful in different scenarios. And if we have to go the distance of the field quickly I'd definitely look for Stalls, but he'd be the first one schemed out and Clayton would not be my favorite target if I'm Flacco.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' date='24 July 2010 - 12:10 PM' timestamp='1279987812' post='436774']
In a situation where we have to fly down the field in a hurry, the deep threat will be the first thing taken away from our aerial attack. Meaning no Stalls. And I'm not saying that Clayton is a choker because he only has one memorable drop in a pressure situation, but we have old reliable Mason and Ray Rice, two definite go to guys.

I agree that Stalls and Clayton will each be useful in different scenarios. And if we have to go the distance of the field quickly I'd definitely look for Stalls, but he'd be the first one schemed out and Clayton would not be my favorite target if I'm Flacco.
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damn, I really cant argue with anything here.......

[SRV4EVER]

I believe if the situation were reversed that most would be rooting for Clayton to beat out Stallworth. That's because we have seen what Clayton has done. I still think he has potential, however, it seems that describes a lot of players we have had in the past- especially receivers.
Until someone other than Mason steps up to get open, consistently catches the ball, and make plays, we will move on to the next man up. I personnaly believe that Clayton could be a Mason type on another team. You can't have more than one posession type reciever on a team.
We all want Stallworth to take the safeties deep to open up the middle and help Boldin. I also think Clayton was used to much like Mason and maybe he didn't get his dues. I like Clayton but he was a product of Flacco being thrust into the starting job (inexperience), new coordinators, injuries, and being to much like Mason.
I am also excited to see if Stallworth can push back the defense to allow more room for everyone else. Can't wait for preseason to see how he performs.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Average NFL roster keeps 5 receivers

Ravens will prolly be :

Q
D-mase
Donte
Clayton
D-williams
David Reed

Hm..6 receivers..might have to cut one next season..

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' date='24 July 2010 - 01:08 PM' timestamp='1279991300' post='436793']
Average NFL roster keeps 5 receivers

Ravens will prolly be :

Q
D-mase
Donte
Clayton
D-williams
David Reed

Hm..6 receivers..might have to cut one next season..
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Riley or Harper would be my preference in place of D. Will

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='24 July 2010 - 01:10 PM' timestamp='1279991447' post='436794']
Riley or Harper would be my preference in place of D. Will
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Remember last year when Flaccos production started declining after the Min game and A LOT of us were begging for D Will to be more involved in the passing game? Then he got his opportunity and wasn't he amazing?!?!

[Milton145]

Yea and Williams wasn't even one of our main receivers. You had Rice, Mason, and Kelley Washington, who teams had to focus on. Basically not much pressure on Williams and he still didn't produce...get someone else in his place.

[J-man]

I want to see how well Clayton can play in the slot. He may be an excellent slot receiver and we just dont know it.

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

how did i not get a +1 on clayton bigsby, i thought it was funny.

[Marc2k6]

Did'nt M. Clayton say something about the team needing to pick up a play maker in the WR position himself?

[Milton145]

Pretty sure Mason himself thought that as well.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='BohBalmerOsbohs' date='23 July 2010 - 09:53 PM' timestamp='1279940012' post='436612']
He CAN beat out Clayton... Bigsby
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[quote name='BohBalmerOsbohs' date='24 July 2010 - 03:29 PM' timestamp='1280003351' post='436844']
how did i not get a +1 on clayton bigsby, i thought it was funny.
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The title of the thread says "Who thinks CLAYTON can beat out STALLWORTH".
That would mean your post says "Clayton CAN beat out Clayton... Bigsby" which doesn't make sense.

Sorry!

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Of course he can, but I'm glad he is under pressure to get the 3rd spot. Last season he was comfortably in 2nd, and we all know how that turned out.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I really think the first 2 spots are the only ones that really matter, and they go to Q and Mase hands down. This is still a run first team, so while we may see more 3 and 4 WR sets we're not turning into the Cardinals or anything here. So I think the guys after the top 2 will be like 3a, 3b, and 3c each called on in specific situations. Unless one of the two really stands out, I cannot see either one taking full command of the 3rd slot, or rather leaving the other to ONLY appear in 4 wide sets.

Plus, as mentioned before, with the young TE's I think we will be seeing more 2 TE sets, with the possibility of getting all 3 on the field since Dickson is basically just a monster-sized reciever. Granted it's all speculation at this point, but I think trying to rank the guys behind Q and Mase is an exercise in futility. Since I think we'll rarely go to 4 wide, the 3rd spot will be more of a rotational position where the guy whose skill set best suits the situation will get the call. That could mean one week Stallworth gets a majority of the calls as the #3 esp. if we're coming from behind. Another week it could be Clayton if we're ahead and looking to manage the clock, or just don't want any big mistakes. Heck even a guy like Harper or Riley (if they make the cut) could get a lot of calls at the #3 guy if we have a lot of Red zone opportunities that aren't quite close enough yet to just give it to Mcgahee or McClain to pound in. Let those guys get up and get it.

So yea, a bit longwinded, but simply put I don't know that anyone will "win" the #3 spot over any other guy. It'll be more of a #3-by-committee...

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='25 July 2010 - 04:28 PM' timestamp='1280028506' post='436951']
I really think the first 2 spots are the only ones that really matter, and they go to Q and Mase hands down. This is still a run first team, so while we may see more 3 and 4 WR sets we're not turning into the Cardinals or anything here. So I think the guys after the top 2 will be like 3a, 3b, and 3c each called on in specific situations. Unless one of the two really stands out, I cannot see either one taking full command of the 3rd slot, or rather leaving the other to ONLY appear in 4 wide sets.

[b]Plus, as mentioned before, with the young TE's I think we will be seeing more 2 TE sets, with the possibility of getting all 3 on the field since Dickson is basically just a monster-sized reciever.[/b] Granted it's all speculation at this point, but I think trying to rank the guys behind Q and Mase is an exercise in futility. Since I think we'll rarely go to 4 wide, the 3rd spot will be more of a rotational position where the guy whose skill set best suits the situation will get the call. That could mean one week Stallworth gets a majority of the calls as the #3 esp. if we're coming from behind. Another week it could be Clayton if we're ahead and looking to manage the clock, or just don't want any big mistakes. Heck even a guy like Harper or Riley (if they make the cut) could get a lot of calls at the #3 guy if we have a lot of Red zone opportunities that aren't quite close enough yet to just give it to Mcgahee or McClain to pound in. Let those guys get up and get it.

So yea, a bit longwinded, but simply put I don't know that anyone will "win" the #3 spot over any other guy. [b]It'll be more of a #3-by-committee...[/b]
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Great post and likely to be dead on the money.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Milton145' date='24 July 2010 - 05:41 PM' timestamp='1280007678' post='436863']
Pretty sure Mason himself thought that as well.
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It's different when a 28-year old man says it as opposed to a 36-year old veteran.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='24 July 2010 - 11:28 PM' timestamp='1280028506' post='436951']
I really think the first 2 spots are the only ones that really matter, and they go to Q and Mase hands down. This is still a run first team, so while we may see more 3 and 4 WR sets we're not turning into the Cardinals or anything here. So I think the guys after the top 2 will be like 3a, 3b, and 3c each called on in specific situations. Unless one of the two really stands out, I cannot see either one taking full command of the 3rd slot, or rather leaving the other to ONLY appear in 4 wide sets.

Plus, as mentioned before, with the young TE's I think we will be seeing more 2 TE sets, with the possibility of getting all 3 on the field since Dickson is basically just a monster-sized reciever. Granted it's all speculation at this point, but I think trying to rank the guys behind Q and Mase is an exercise in futility. Since I think we'll rarely go to 4 wide, the 3rd spot will be more of a rotational position where the guy whose skill set best suits the situation will get the call. That could mean one week Stallworth gets a majority of the calls as the #3 esp. if we're coming from behind. Another week it could be Clayton if we're ahead and looking to manage the clock, or just don't want any big mistakes. Heck even a guy like Harper or Riley (if they make the cut) could get a lot of calls at the #3 guy if we have a lot of Red zone opportunities that aren't quite close enough yet to just give it to Mcgahee or McClain to pound in. Let those guys get up and get it.

So yea, a bit longwinded, but simply put I don't know that anyone will "win" the #3 spot over any other guy. It'll be more of a #3-by-committee...
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I agree. Numbers beside a WRs name on the roster won't matter. Even when talking about Q and Mase being #1 and #2. For the first time in our passing game the Ravens will be able to match up and create mismatches, and Cam will take full advantage of that.

As for the whole Clayton thing, some people just have him all wrong. Clayton has great hands, yes i said it great. He drop 2 passes all last season, and his drop in NE, was no worse then Mason's drop against Pitt, but nobody seems to ever mention that.

Actually, if you look at the stats over the last 3 seasons, from a hands standpoint, Mark Clayton is the best WR on our roster right now.

from 2007-2009, the trio of Q, Mase, and Stallworth, each have a total of 13 dropped passes. Now that's only an average of 4 dropped passes a season, not bad at all. However when you look at Clayton, he has a total of 6 dropped passes in the same time frame.

people talk about Clayton disappearing in big games, but Stallworth hasn't exactly been a star in this league. He still has a lot to prove just like Clayton. I think the 2 of them will be more of a pair then anything this season.

[Milton145]

I doubt we'll still be a run first team if our passing attack starts out like it did last year. It'll most likely be even better (Week 2 and on) so I could see us becoming a pass happy team barring injuries.

[Beastforlife92]

i think that clayton will lose the battle and be #4

[Rav'n Maniac]

I don't think Clayton believes he can beat out Stallworth! On 3rd and medium to short passing situations, I think they will alternate if we are not in multiple tight end sets. On 3rd and long situations, I see them both being on the field in a 4 wide set.

[Ravenseconbeast]

its Q,Mase,Donte now

D.Williams will alternate for Donte (deep threat)
Mark Clayton will alternate for Mase/Q (mid/side)
and David Reed will have to wait ( I assume we'll see him in 1 or 2 plays when we blow other weak team out)

Other than that, no one is leaving imo till the seasons over. Need to wait till next year to see whatsup

[POE]

I wouldn't put it past Clayton to beat out Stallworth, but like a lot of other posters have said it probably won't come down to who beats out who but rather what the situation on the field is. I have likes Clayton over the years and like most wanted a bit more out of him at times but I still think he has a place on this team. A little off topic but I think now that Clayton doesn't have to be the #2 guy at WR, he could play a huge part on our return game. The guy has good hands and has some speed and agility so hopefully we can see what he can offer on ST this season too.

[MountCrushmore]

No chance.

[H8R]

it'll be a nice battle. Clayton had that bad hammie last year, lets hope he's healthy. Not to mention Stallworth has a lot to prove.!