Who Thinks Clayton Can Beat Out Stallworth ?

[Milton145]

Do you think Clayton can claim our #3 Receiver spot over Stallworth? He's capable of making plays against #2 corners against second tier corners, so maybe he'll do better against #3 corners.

[Shadowalker]

doubt it

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

He CAN beat out Clayton... Bigsby

[XxSizzleXx]

I just don't see it happening being how hungry Stallworth will be this year. It sure as heck is nice to have your old #2 wideout to have for depth in the 4th spot. Q-Mase-Stallworth and Clayton is a scary tandem.

[Wacko4Zacko]

If that happens then it must be [b]December 21st, 2012[/b]

[Milton145]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' date='23 July 2010 - 11:03 PM' timestamp='1279940592' post='436617']
I just don't see it happening being how hungry Stallworth will be this year. It sure as heck is nice to have your old #2 wideout to have for depth in the 4th spot. Q-Mase-Stallworth and Clayton is a scary tandem.
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I see your point about Stallworth, but the same can be said for Clayton, knowing this maybe his last straw. He's already said he wants to be on the Ravens (mostly because they are the only team that wants him) so I could see him stepping up big to produce in his contract year.

Should be an interesting battle to say the least.

[ed.s52]

NO!

You probably have been having too many [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/th_happypills.gif[/img]

We need a deep threat and we have that in Stalls, so even if Clayton proves to be a better receiver, unless he completely dominates he will be #4.

[Ravenmore74]

Stallworth runs a better route and with speed!

[1/28/01]

Funny how everyone is so pro Stalls, when stat wise, the argument can be made in either direction because they are so comparable.

On topic - sure it can happen.....and I for one, would love to see it!

[Alexir]

I dont think Clayton could beat out David Reed if we are talking about route running and hands and not experience and character.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Alexir' date='23 July 2010 - 11:54 PM' timestamp='1279943652' post='436634']
I dont think Clayton could beat out David Reed if we are talking about route running and hands and not experience and character.
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You know that much about Reed already? Wow!! Not to mention Clayton does drop lots of BALL (notice I didn't make it plural), so his hands are a huge question mark.

[RAYvenFan20]

stallworths speed alone will get him the #3 spot. we brought him in to stretch the field

[PuRock]

I'll bite. I think Clayton can become our #3 receiver. As much as I bash Clayton, I think his game can benefit from not being the #2 guy.

Every one in this thread talks about Stallworth like he's Moses! He hasn't played quality football since he was playing in the offensive juggernaut of the Patriots? Which sort of inflates his stats downright.

Who's to say he is the best option? NOBODY has seen him play an NFL down in a long time.

Clayton on the other hand knows the playbook, has good work ethic and will come to compete. So yes, there is a chance either Stallworth or Clayton will be the #3 guy. But in reality I see those two splitting reps.

[dpatrickguy]

no

[ROH522155]

As inconsistent as Clayton has been, I have always found it in me to root for him. I hope he has a spectacular showing in camp.

[Milton145]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='24 July 2010 - 12:01 AM' timestamp='1279944086' post='436638']
You know that much about Reed already? Wow!! Not to mention Clayton does drop lots of BALL (notice I didn't make it plural), so his hands are a huge question mark.
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Besides the Pats game, I don't remember Clayton dropping a ball. Please remind me of any others.

He has great hands IMO, just doesn't get open consistently.

[RavensAllTheWay]

They each have separate strengths. Stalls is a much better deep threat and can stretch the field, while Clayton can leap and make spectacular catches. Clayton in the slot now against nickel and dime CBs could potentially make a huge difference in his production. Stalls is in practially the same situation, but he has missed an entire season and may have lost a good portion of his blazing speed. I don't know if Stalls will put up better numbers than Clayton this year, but if Ozzie decides to resign him next offseason and he comes back, then he'll surely surpass Clayton. It all depends on how the chips fall.

[Ed_Reed20]

Clayton can definitely beat out Stallworth for the #3 WR spot in my opinion but I don't think it'll happen.

[-Truth-]

I'm a little confused for why this argument is so lopsided. Clayton has shown consistent hands, and an ability to make tough catches in traffic over several Seasons. His inability to get open would be given a cushion, since he'd be matched up against the Nickel CB. Just because he didn't live up to his expectations as a starter, doesn't mean he can't be successful in a lesser role. I'm all for the addition of Stallworth, but Clayton has the advantage in knowing the system. IMO, it will be a much more even battle than some people here anticipate.

[Milton145]

Either way if both are on the field in 4 WR Sets (which we should be seeing more of) Either being covered by a linebacker is an automatic mismatch.

Especially if Ray Rice is lined out wide too, they might put their best LB on him, which leaves Clayton and Stallworth covered by linebackers (if we come out unexpectedly in a 4 WR set like on say, first or second down).

[ed.s52]

[quote name='Milton145' date='23 July 2010 - 10:36 PM' timestamp='1279953388' post='436686']
Either way if both are on the field in 4 WR Sets (which we should be seeing more of) Either being covered by a linebacker is an automatic mismatch.

Especially if Ray Rice is lined out wide too, they might put their best LB on him, which leaves Clayton and Stallworth covered by linebackers (if we come out unexpectedly in a 4 WR set like on say, first or second down).
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There is a very big chance that Heap, or one of the other TE's will be used in those four wideout sets.

And for everybody in this that is pro-Clayton and asking why Stalls is the obvious favorite, it is because Stalls is a deep threat, and considering its been said that he is looking good in practices, he could have a breakout year, while we already know what Clayton brings to the table.

Obviously, if Clayton outperforms him, he gets the spot, but because Stalls is the deep threat we are lacking in our O, he'll bring more of an advantage.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='PuRock' date='23 July 2010 - 11:38 PM' timestamp='1279946321' post='436652']
I'll bite. I think Clayton can become our #3 receiver. As much as I bash Clayton, I think his game can benefit from not being the #2 guy.

Every one in this thread talks about Stallworth like he's Moses! He hasn't played quality football since he was playing in the offensive juggernaut of the Patriots? Which sort of inflates his stats downright.

Who's to say he is the best option? NOBODY has seen him play an NFL down in a long time.

Clayton on the other hand knows the playbook, has good work ethic and will come to compete. So yes, there is a chance either Stallworth or Clayton will be the #3 guy. But in reality I see those two splitting reps.
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I'm gonna have to agree with the last statement. I don't know that Clayton can outright beat Stallworth for the 3rd slot, but I also don't think Stallworth wins it outright either. After the first two WR's I think we'll use the 3rd and possibly 4th WR's situationally. Stallworth on his speed alone is dangerous running certain routes. He was brought in to "stretch the field" as we all say, and I think more specifically hes here the catch the Flacco long ball that has soared over many a recievers head... Stallworth has the speed to beat the secondary deep, and catch up to Flacco's deep throws. Clayton may be used in more possession situations or 3rd and middle-to-short distances. Who knows, it's all dependent upon what happens at camp?

I will say this though, I could see Clayton not being in the offensive gameplan at all. Not necessarily cut, but not a part of the gameplan. I see Stallworth being a part of the gameplan no matter what with his speed.

[Greatness]

No, he cannot. Mark Clayton is a fraud and will be ranked as the 4th WR on this team if not cut. He has shown that he isn't reliable when it counts. He can catch one-handed bombs when playing against the Bengals (2008) and have a decent game once a year, but he's not that guy. Stallworth is our Wildcard who can stretch the field. This 3rd WR "Battle" won't even be close.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

yes

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Milton145' date='24 July 2010 - 12:59 AM' timestamp='1279947546' post='436658']
Besides the Pats game, I don't remember Clayton dropping a ball. Please remind me of any others.

He has great hands IMO, just doesn't get open consistently.
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My point exactly....please read the entire thread and then you'll see my sarcasm.....I even made it a point to say that he drops BALL and not BALL[b][u]S[/u][/b]

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Greatness' date='24 July 2010 - 03:52 AM' timestamp='1279957962' post='436696']
No, he cannot. Mark Clayton is a fraud and will be ranked as the 4th WR on this team if not cut. He has shown that he isn't reliable when it counts. He can catch one-handed bombs when playing against the Bengals (2008) and have a decent game once a year, but he's not that guy. Stallworth is our Wildcard who can stretch the field. This 3rd WR "Battle" won't even be close.
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right, because their stats aren't eerily similar at all throughout their NFL careers [/sarcasm]

[1/28/01]

all right, 3 replies in a row for me here....

Sometimes I think people talk/type to just to hear themselves talk/type.

For those that think Stalls has the #3 spot locked up, do some research. Learn a little about both players, educate yourselves and then come back and give an accomplished response. Their stats are almost identical if you were to multiply Claytons by 1.4 (ratio of 7 playing years for Stalls compared to 5 for Clayton).....and thats not even taking into account the QB comparison of Brady/McNabb/Brees to Boller/McNair(for just about one year)Flacco....

Clayton has a great chance of grabbing the #3 spot!

[thrash5]

[quote name='Milton145' date='24 July 2010 - 01:36 AM' timestamp='1279953388' post='436686']
Either way if both are on the field in 4 WR Sets (which we should be seeing more of) Either being covered by a linebacker is an automatic mismatch.

Especially if Ray Rice is lined out wide too, they might put their best LB on him, which leaves Clayton and Stallworth covered by linebackers (if we come out unexpectedly in a 4 WR set like on say, first or second down).
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[thrash5]

That sounds good for the first six games,til ed.reed get back.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='thrash5' date='24 July 2010 - 10:32 AM' timestamp='1279981950' post='436734']
That sounds good for the first six games,til ed.reed get back.
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Maybe I'm missing something here, but what in the world does Reed being on the PUP list have to do with a Clayton/Stalls debate?