Top Ten All-Time Ravens

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='Alexir' date='24 July 2010 - 10:00 AM' timestamp='1279980023' post='436727']
Shannon Sharpe and Rod Woodson aren't on my list. Weren't ravens long enough.

1. Ray Lewis
2. JO
3. Ed Reed
4. Jamal Lewis
5.Chris McAlister
6. Matt Stover
7. Michael McCrary
8. Terrell Suggs
9. Todd Heap
10. Derrick Mason

My formula was how long they were ravens and how much they contributed to the team. Heap is towards the back for his lack of production over last couple of years.
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This is a great list too.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='23 July 2010 - 10:34 PM' timestamp='1279938861' post='436604']
why he played two years with us and didnt really do anything




Why? At most points during his THIRTEEN YEARS here, Stovers leg was the reason we could even score as many points as we did with the offenses we had...He played a HUGE role in our success
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Did I really deserve a -1 for this post?

[GTRavens]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='24 July 2010 - 02:49 AM' timestamp='1279957741' post='436694']
Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way, but what about Jermaine Lewis??? Not much of a WR, but a STUD returner. Him giving us awesome field position is one of the main reasons we won that Superbowl, and not just bc of the TD return againt the Giants. I mean we had hardly any QB play and won most games defensively by pounding the rock on the offense to waste time and then playing stout defense or creating turnovers. Without great field position, you cannot run the ball effectively. Great field position from Jermaine, followed by Jamal pounding the rock, with Marvin calling out the plays to Ray is how the 4 Lewis' led us to the bowl.

Maybe Jermaine isn't "Top 10" bc special teams just doesnt get any credit. But I think special teams is important to any champion and [b]without Jermaine Lewis we dont have a super bowl victory....[/b] that guy is a must on my Top 10.
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How do we not win the Super Bowl without Jermaine Lewis? Yeah, he won us the Jets game, but even with that loss we're still 11-5 and still have the 4 seed. His presence wasn't responsible for all of our blowout wins in the playoffs. And we won the Super Bowl by 27, so it's not like Lewis was the difference.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='24 July 2010 - 09:59 AM' timestamp='1279994360' post='436805']
Did I really deserve a -1 for this post?
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It just irks you doesn't it? For some reason, I just can't stand negatives.

[Thepeas]

1. Ray Lewis
2. Ed Reed
3. Jonathan Ogden
4. Jamal Lewis
5. Peter Boulware
6. Chris McAlister
7. Jermaine Lewis
8. Michael McCrary
9. Derrick Mason
10. Terrell Suggs

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='24 July 2010 - 01:59 PM' timestamp='1279994360' post='436805']
Did I really deserve a -1 for this post?
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It wasnt me, but who cares.....not trying to be an *** for once here, but it means nothing. Type on bro

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Thepeas' date='24 July 2010 - 05:45 PM' timestamp='1280007931' post='436866']
1. Ray Lewis
2. Ed Reed
3. Jonathan Ogden
4. Jamal Lewis
5. Peter Boulware
6. Chris McAlister
7. Jermaine Lewis
8. Michael McCrary
9. Derrick Mason
10. Terrell Suggs
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What is your reasoning for having Boulware on the list, let alone as high as 5? Just curious.....

[Ngata92NT]

1. Ray
2. JO
3. Reed
4. Stover
5. Boulware
6. Jamal
7. C-Mac
8. Heap
9. McCrary
10. Mase
11A. Suggs
11B. Ngata

[MKdave]

10. Stover
9. Gregg
8. Boulware
7. Heap
6. Mason
5. Jamal Lewis
4. McAllister
3. Reed
2. Ogden
1. Ray Lewis

As for the players that had longer or more storied tenures with other teams, most notably Woodson and Sharpe, I've tried to take the player only as they were during their time with the Ravens. Woodson was good when he was with us but I don't think he was top 10, same with Sharpe. Mason makes it because I think he's been at or near the top of his game while he's been here and he's been our standalone reciever for pretty much all of his time here. The rest are pretty much self explanatory I'd say.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='GTRavens' date='24 July 2010 - 03:51 PM' timestamp='1280001080' post='436831']
How do we not win the Super Bowl without Jermaine Lewis? Yeah, he won us the Jets game, but even with that loss we're still 11-5 and still have the 4 seed. His presence wasn't responsible for all of our blowout wins in the playoffs. And we won the Super Bowl by 27, so it's not like Lewis was the difference.
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Jermaine kept a small field even smaller. His yards after catch speak for them selves.

[ellicottraven]

Matt Stover
Peter Boulware
Shannon Sharpe
Rod Woodson
McCrary
Kelly Gregg
Jamal Lewis
McCalister
Ed Reed
Ray Lewis

Several Honorable mentions: Flacco, Rice, Siragusa, Adams, Jermaine Lewis, Dilfer, rest of the 2000 SB winning team!

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[quote name='ellicottraven' date='24 July 2010 - 09:35 PM' timestamp='1280021742' post='436916']
Matt Stover
Peter Boulware
Shannon Sharpe
Rod Woodson
McCrary
Kelly Gregg
Jamal Lewis
McCalister
Ed Reed
Ray Lewis

Several Honorable mentions: Flacco, Rice, Siragusa, Adams, Jermaine Lewis, Dilfer, rest of the 2000 SB winning team!
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You need a "do over" bro....no JO and Stover at 10?

[ellicottraven]

[quote name='ellicottraven' date='24 July 2010 - 09:35 PM' timestamp='1280021742' post='436916']
Matt Stover
Peter Boulware
Shannon Sharpe
Rod Woodson
McCrary
Kelly Gregg
Jamal Lewis
McCalister
Ed Reed
Ray Lewis

Several Honorable mentions: Flacco, Rice, Siragusa, Adams, Jermaine Lewis, Dilfer, rest of the 2000 SB winning team!
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Amendment to my earlier post - how could I miss NGATA??? He is a top 3 Raven of all time. Sadly I have to bump McCrary from my top 10 list folks...

[1/28/01]

[quote name='ellicottraven' date='24 July 2010 - 09:42 PM' timestamp='1280022154' post='436919']
Amendment to my earlier post - how could I miss NGATA??? He is a top 3 Raven of all time. Sadly I have to bump McCrary from my top 10 list folks...
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FYI - you didn't make the change that you noted. Also, why would adding Ngata somewhere on your list give McCrary the boot when you have him as #6?

[GTRavens]

[quote name='ellicottraven' date='24 July 2010 - 08:42 PM' timestamp='1280022154' post='436919']
Amendment to my earlier post - how could I miss NGATA??? He is a top 3 Raven of all time. Sadly I have to bump McCrary from my top 10 list folks...
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Wait, you didn't even notice that you missed Ogden?

[ROH522155]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='24 July 2010 - 01:59 PM' timestamp='1279994360' post='436805']
Did I really deserve a -1 for this post?
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Did I really deserve a -2 for this post? ...Haha jk I know it doesnt matter but I still don't like to get negatives for no reason whatsoever it makes me look bad!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

[quote name='GTRavens' date='24 July 2010 - 02:51 PM' timestamp='1280001080' post='436831']
How do we not win the Super Bowl without Jermaine Lewis? Yeah, he won us the Jets game, but even with that loss we're still 11-5 and still have the 4 seed. His presence wasn't responsible for all of our blowout wins in the playoffs. And we won the Super Bowl by 27, so it's not like Lewis was the difference.
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But without consistantly having great field position, the oppositions offense only has a short distance to score. As good as that Defense was, there's no way they could have held everyone to those low score totals while having to defend a short field every time. Because of Jermaine, the opposition consistantly had to attack most of the distance of the field.

Plus the running game isnt as effective when you start inside your own 20... with our non-existant passing game, no Jermaine Lewis means less possession and even less points

[lowrider]

1. Ray
2. Odgen
3. Reed
4. Stover (he was our only offense, without him, we would be no where)
5. C-Mac
6. Jamal Lewis
7. Gregg
8. Heap
9. Boulware
10. McCary, The Goose

The last 3 are debatable, but 1-7 I feel like you can't even argue them.

[Rav'n Maniac]

1a) Ray Lewis
1b) Ed Reed
2) Jonathan Ogden
3) Matt Stover
4) Jamal Lewis
5a) Michael McCrary
5b) Peter Boulware
6a) Shannon Sharpe
6b) Todd Heap
7a) Rod Woodson
7b) Chris McAlister
8) Jermaine Lewis
9) Ed Hartwell
10) Jammie Sharper

Honorable mention goes out to: O.J. Brigance.

Give me these guys in their prime along with the top performers we have now and you have a team for the ages!

[JEEPercreepermd]

1. Ray Lewis
2. Johnathan Ogden
3. Ed Reed
4. Matt Stover
5. Jamal Lewis
6. HEEEEAP
7. Derrick Mason
8. THE GOOSE
9. Suggs
10. Ngata
11. Trent Dilfer- Don't shoot, I just couldn't leave off our 1 and only Super Bowl winning Quarterback.

[lowrider]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' date='25 July 2010 - 01:48 PM' timestamp='1280080109' post='437134']
1. Ray Lewis
2. Johnathan Ogden
3. Ed Reed
4. Matt Stover
5. Jamal Lewis
6. HEEEEAP
7. Derrick Mason
8. THE GOOSE
9. Suggs
10. Ngata
11. Trent Dilfer- Don't shoot, I just couldn't leave off our 1 and only Super Bowl winning Quarterback.
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Nope I agree with Dilfer. I was thinking about putting him on my list too

[RayZ27]

1. Ozzie Newsome
2. Ray Lewis
3. Rod Woodson
4. Ed Reed
5. Ray Rice
6. C-Mac
7. Shannon Sharpe
8. Jamal Lewis
9. Joe Flacco
10. Matt Stover

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RayZ27' date='25 July 2010 - 02:50 PM' timestamp='1280083842' post='437154']
1. Ozzie Newsome
2. Ray Lewis
3. Rod Woodson
4. Ed Reed
5. Ray Rice
6. C-Mac
7. Shannon Sharpe
8. Jamal Lewis
9. Joe Flacco
10. Matt Stover

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Where is J.O.? Joe and Rice look like they have bright futures but I don't consider either of them worthy of a "Top 10 Ravens" list just yet.

[Ravens Lover]

10. Ngata

9. Mason

8. Boulware

7. Mccrary

6. Heap

5. Jamal

4. Sharpe

3. Stover

2. Ogden

1 Ray

[GTRavens]

[quote name='BOLDnPurPnBlacK' date='24 July 2010 - 09:17 PM' timestamp='1280024276' post='436936']
But without consistantly having great field position, the oppositions offense only has a short distance to score. As good as that Defense was, there's no way they could have held everyone to those low score totals while having to defend a short field every time. Because of Jermaine, the opposition consistantly had to attack most of the distance of the field.

Plus the running game isnt as effective when you start inside your own 20... with our non-existant passing game, no Jermaine Lewis means less possession and even less points
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A few yards a game isn't going to make that much of a difference, especially when most of their wins were blowouts. Corey Harris was the one who returned kickoffs, anyway, during the season.

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='GTRavens' date='25 July 2010 - 06:00 PM' timestamp='1280098804' post='437300']
A few yards a game isn't going to make that much of a difference, especially when most of their wins were blowouts. Corey Harris was the one who returned kickoffs, anyway, during the season.
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IMO putting Jermaine on the list is like putting Sam Koch on the list. They're both important contributors but their position disqualifies them from all time Raven's greatness.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' date='25 July 2010 - 10:18 PM' timestamp='1280110695' post='437372']
IMO putting Jermaine on the list is like putting Sam Koch on the list. They're both important contributors but their [b]position disqualifies[/b] them from all time Raven's greatness.
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since both Je. Lewis and Koch are on my list I totally disagree that their position disqualifies them. Foot ball is a game of inches. A short punt here, a crappy return there, DOES have an effect on the outcome of a football game.

When we won the Super Bowl much of what won it for us was field position. That winning formula has not changed.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravens Lover' date='25 July 2010 - 06:46 PM' timestamp='1280098017' post='437295']
10. Ngata

9. Mason

8. Boulware

7. Mccrary

6. Heap

5. Jamal

4. Sharpe

3. Stover

2. Ogden

1 Ray
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Eddie Murphy?

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='K-Dog' date='25 July 2010 - 09:27 PM' timestamp='1280111254' post='437375']
since both Je. Lewis and Koch are on my list I totally disagree that their position disqualifies them. Foot ball is a game of inches. A short punt here, a crappy return there, DOES have an effect on the outcome of a football game.

When we won the Super Bowl much of what won it for us was field position. That winning formula has not changed.
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So you would choose Koch to keep over Ngata? Or Jermaine over Suggs, Boulware, McCrary, Flacco, Oher, or Rice?

I'm sorry but your "winning formula" is a little bit skewed...

And the fact that you put Jermaine Lewis over JOHN OGDEN just crosses the line into pure insanity.

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='Ravens Lover' date='25 July 2010 - 05:46 PM' timestamp='1280098017' post='437295']
10. Ngata

9. Mason

8. Boulware

7. Mccrary

6. Heap

5. Jamal

4. Sharpe

3. Stover

2. Ogden

1 Ray
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Have you heard of Ed Reed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABgj-g5c6N8&feature=related