Question

[Ravenmore74]

On NFL network the Jets were ranked higher then us. There defense doesn't look like they are getting soft any time soon. The starting QB is no longer a rookie anymore. Do you guy's think that if our Path to the superbowl crosses NY that we may not make it this year?
Rex knows the ins and outs of this ravens team the best better then Billick . Billick did not work closely with each and every defensive player on our roster.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' date='20 July 2010 - 12:43 PM' timestamp='1279644228' post='434937']
On NFL network the Jets were ranked higher then us. There defense doesn't look like they are getting soft any time soon. The starting QB is no longer a rookie anymore. Do you guy's think that if our Path to the superbowl crosses NY that we may not make it this year?
Rex knows the ins and outs of this ravens team the best better then Billick . Billick did not work closely with each and every defensive player on our roster.
[/quote]
Well Sanchez still is not very good. Even though he was the least touched qb in the league last year he still threw a lot of interceptions. He is not good.

Also, I don't know what it is, but the NFL network does not like us. For the past two years that I've been really following football deeply, they have always been down on us. I don't know what it is but thats life.

There has been many discussions about this, I think that the Jets are good, but they are relying on a young rb and hoping he doesn't get hurt. LT isn't anything anymore. And in my opinion I think it comes down to the quarterback play. And Flacco is better than Sanchez no doubt.

[PuRock]

Forget playoff what about opening night? We will find out who wins then. Both teams will be hungry and healthy.

I'm betting on us.

[JEEPercreepermd]

I think the Ravens are just a little better than the Jets. The Jets are better on defense at CB, but that's it. I'd say that we are just about even at Oline, and on special teams. The Ravens however have a better front 7 on defense, better at safety, Quarterback, WR, RB's,TE's.

[Mick0311]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' date='20 July 2010 - 10:43 AM' timestamp='1279644228' post='434937']
On NFL network the Jets were ranked higher then us. There defense doesn't look like they are getting soft any time soon. The starting QB is no longer a rookie anymore. Do you guy's think that if our Path to the superbowl crosses NY that we may not make it this year?
Rex knows the ins and outs of this ravens team the best better then Billick . Billick did not work closely with each and every defensive player on our roster.
[/quote]


Is this based off of the 32 teams in 32 days segments? If so, that is based on fan voting, not the rankings of NFL Network.

[TSizzle00]

2 years in a row the Ravens have walked in to the hyped AFCE Champions house and DESTROYED them in the first round of the playoffs. Hopefully we will do the same in NY if we and the Jets make the playoffs.

[Marc2k6]

Hmmm! So fan polls have set NFL rankings in stone? Silly! It is a new season, last year is in the past. NFL rankings will start after game 1.

[justifythegame]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' date='20 July 2010 - 12:43 PM' timestamp='1279644228' post='434937']
On NFL network the Jets were ranked higher then us. There defense doesn't look like they are getting soft any time soon. The starting QB is no longer a rookie anymore. Do you guy's think that if our Path to the superbowl crosses NY that we may not make it this year?
Rex knows the ins and outs of this ravens team the best better then Billick . Billick did not work closely with each and every defensive player on our roster.
[/quote]
Jets are not better than the Ravens, and are not better than a number of teams in the NFL. They have the best DC and CB in football, but thats about it.

Thomas Jones is one of the most underrated RBs in the NFL. The guy has been just amazing the last couple seasons. He isn't flashy like the Ray Rices of the NFL, but he was an elite RB who didn't get much credit or any pro bowls (insane!). To add to that the Jets dump the guy just like they have a number of great players (Vilma, Pennington, Abraham, etc). He was their entire offense, and now they don't have him. LT was past his prime 2 years ago, Greene isn't going to be as good as Jones, at least not for a couple years imo, and we don't know if he can carry the load.

Mark Sanchez sucks. There were questions about Flacco after his rookie year, but i can't believe how people praise Sanchez after his terrible rookie season just because he is from USC and plays for NY. He threw the most picks and had a 60 passer rating. His play would even be awful for a QB who had no receivers, no pass protection, and no running game. Whats unbelievable is that he did in fact have all these things... the best OL in the NFL, the team trades away picks to get him receivers, and the NFLs best rushing attack...Sanchez hardly had to throw or make plays and still sucked. Alot of people say some QBs stats are overrated because of their running game, but Sanchez was awful with all that he had. When the Jets play the Ravens, there is a chance the Ravens offense can't put up points, but it won't matter because Ed Reed is going to do all the scoring.

[RAYvenFan20]

[quote name='JEEPercreepermd' date='20 July 2010 - 12:42 PM' timestamp='1279647764' post='434977']
I think the Ravens are just a little better than the Jets. The Jets are better on defense at CB, but that's it. I'd say that we are just about even at Oline, and on special teams. The Ravens however have a better front 7 on defense, better at safety, Quarterback, WR, RB's,TE's.
[/quote]


couldnt have said it better myself, CBs a side the Ravens are way better than the jets in every position, offensively and defensively

[MorbidSorcerer]

[quote name='lowrider' date='20 July 2010 - 01:27 PM' timestamp='1279646853' post='434962']
[b]Well Sanchez still is not very good. [/b] Even though he was the least touched qb in the league last year he still threw a lot of interceptions. [b]He is not good.[/b]
[/quote]

Congratulations, let's base his entire body of work on one year. He has more weapons, has a fantastic offensive line and the best defense in the league. If you don't expect Sanchez to improve this season then you should just give up watching football. He doesn't need to be a Peyton Manning, all he has to do is manage the game and not throw picks.

With that said, top to bottom I feel we are the better team. The only spot the Jets are better than us is the secondary, by a very wide margin. Linebackers are pretty much a wash, as with the offensive lines.

[thewarden86]

It's not even week one yet, so I voted "maybe."
I think the Jets are going to be tough this year, but I base that on last years results and roster improvements on paper; same as you guys.

[FlaccoFlicker]

all these predictions and stuff are getting crazy,it's fun but I just want the season to start so we can see this team perform on the field not on paper

[justifythegame]

[quote name='MorbidSorcerer' date='20 July 2010 - 05:25 PM' timestamp='1279661155' post='435065']
Congratulations, let's base his entire body of work on one year. He has more weapons, has a fantastic offensive line and the best defense in the league.
[/quote]
He has 1 more weapon in Holmes, if he is actually on the field. He had all these things last year, so what happened? No one is expecting a rookie to come in and have a matt ryan type rookie year, but Sanchez went exactly the opposite direction. There is a difference is seeing potential (e.g Joe Flacco's rookie yr), and literally being the worst QB in the NFL last year. Only Cutler threw more picks, and cutler had no receivers and least had a better passer rating. I mean c'mon even Kyle Boller was never as bad as him.

[Jorgen]

[quote name='justifythegame' date='20 July 2010 - 07:42 PM' timestamp='1279672955' post='435125']
He has 1 more weapon in Holmes, if he is actually on the field. He had all these things last year, so what happened? No one is expecting a rookie to come in and have a matt ryan type rookie year, but Sanchez went exactly the opposite direction. There is a difference is seeing potential (e.g Joe Flacco's rookie yr), and literally being the worst QB in the NFL last year. Only Cutler threw more picks, and cutler had no receivers and least had a better passer rating. I mean c'mon even Kyle Boller was never as bad as him.
[/quote]

True, Sanchez was the pinnacle of mediocrity in the regular season, and his stats were pretty terrible. However, I think it's a stretch to call him the worst in the league; what about Jamarcus Russell? I don't think Sanchez was all that bad. He showed a certain level of competence in the playoffs from what I recall, so there's that. To say that Sanchez had no signs of promise could be a fatal underestimation of his potential.

Anyway, I say the Ravens beat the Jets. And it isn't just because I like 'em more. It'd be a close game between very similar teams, but I think the Ravens' passing game will ultimately outclass the Jets'.

And what's all this talk about the Jets' secondary being vastly superior to the Ravens'? Minus Darelle Revis, what else do they have? (I haven't watched too many Jets games, so pardon my ignorance.) The Ravens have one of the deepest secondaries in the league in my opinion, and it's depth that ensures your team's consistency and carries you to playoff wins.

[Ravenmore74]

As for Sanchez his O-line is going help get him into the playoffs and that line is going to post his confidence for a crack at the championship next year.

[lowrider]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' date='20 July 2010 - 10:51 PM' timestamp='1279680675' post='435191']
As for Sanchez his O-line is going help get him into the playoffs and that line is going to post his confidence for a crack at the championship next year.
[/quote]
They also lost Alan Faneca. Big loss. That o line won't be as good as it was last year.

[Ravens Lover]

I was leaning towards no, but I put maybe because Rex knows our defense very well and could destroy our secondary, but they also are having a ton of chemestry problems as well

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravens Lover' date='21 July 2010 - 02:33 PM' timestamp='1279737216' post='435418']
I was leaning towards no, but I put maybe [b]because Rex knows our defense very well and could destroy our secondary[/b], but they also are having a ton of chemestry problems as well
[/quote]

I wouldn't say Rex knows the Ravens' offense very well. He was here in '08 when Cam joined the team but not only has Joe improved but there have been new acquisitions and I'm sure changes made to the playbook since he left.

And we don't know how the secondary will perform yet. If the pass rush improves, we may not see the secondary struggle early on like they did last season.

[ed.s52]

The Jets are easily one of the most overrated teams this year. Our backup QB is still better than Sanchez, and our third string QB is a close call (although Sanchez has more potential).

With all of the problems we had last year we were still better than the Jets and earned our playoff appearance rather than being handed two games straight, which they surely would've lost at least the Indy game, and would've missed the playoffs.

Everyone is talking about their FA acquisitions, but I would rather have Thomas Jones, Kerry Rhodes, and Alan Faneca than LT, Jason Taylor, and Santonio Holmes. Santonio was the perfect compliment to Rothlisberger and Ward, which I cannot say the same for Sanchez and Edwards/Cotchery.

Not to mention, we are just plain better at every position besides corner. And if you combine the corners and safeties to say who has better DB's, it's arguable either way depending on your view of Cromartie, Foxy, Landry, etc.

Ravens all day, it might be closer because they have home field, but I'm still pickin us.

[DRevis24]

You guys sound so paranoid. If anything, you guys have the experience factor over us.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='DRevis24' date='21 July 2010 - 07:42 PM' timestamp='1279770163' post='435654']
You guys sound so paranoid. If anything, you guys have the experience factor over us.
[/quote]


And just about everything else besides Darrelle Revis [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/mord-hamecon.gif[/img]

[thewarden86]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='21 July 2010 - 04:19 PM' timestamp='1279743598' post='435479']
The Jets are easily one of the most overrated teams this year. Our backup QB is still better than Sanchez, and our third string QB is a close call (although Sanchez has more potential).

With all of the problems we had last year we were still better than the Jets and earned our playoff appearance rather than being handed two games straight, which they surely would've lost at least the Indy game, and would've missed the playoffs.

Everyone is talking about their FA acquisitions, but I would rather have Thomas Jones, Kerry Rhodes, and Alan Faneca than LT, Jason Taylor, and Santonio Holmes. Santonio was the perfect compliment to Rothlisberger and Ward, which I cannot say the same for Sanchez and Edwards/Cotchery.

Not to mention, we are just plain better at every position besides corner. And if you combine the corners and safeties to say who has better DB's, it's arguable either way depending on your view of Cromartie, Foxy, Landry, etc.

Ravens all day, it might be closer because they have home field, but I'm still pickin us.
[/quote]

If your back up was better than Sanchez, he'd be starting somewhere.

[DRevis24]

Your secondary stinks aside from Ed Reed. We're gonna light. you. up.

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[RAYvenFan20]

take revis away from the jets and no one would even be talking about them

[hawkprey]

[quote name='DRevis24' date='22 July 2010 - 06:23 PM' timestamp='1279840984' post='436017']
Your secondary stinks aside from Ed Reed. We're gonna light. you. up.
[/quote]

Interesting interpretation because the Ravens ranked #2 in passing D after week 7 with 180 yds/game.

Also a pretty bold statement considering that the Jets ranked 31st in passing yards

[ed.s52]

@thewarden
Bulger has performed better than Sanchez (who is the worst starting QB in the league hands down besides the possibility of Trent Edwards), the only reason the Jets haven't taken him is because they are hoping Sanchez can be their franchise QB, whereas Bulger would only be there for a couple of years.

And we had to fight to get Bulger, why else would we pay him so much?

@DRevis
Landry has proven to be solid, Foxy was amazing down the stretch last year, Webb has proven himself, Fab was exceptional at the least, and Harris is a former Pro-Bowler, who should be at least decent as a band-aid until Webb is back.

Not to mention Ed Reed is arguably the best safety of all time and his backup is probably better than your replacement for Rhodes (his name escapes me).

Not to mention we smash you in EVERY other area, considering you lost a valuable piece of your aging line and your RB that produced 1400 yards wasn't resigned. LT sucks and Greene hasn't proven anything.

[berad]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='22 July 2010 - 10:36 PM' timestamp='1279852594' post='436102']
@thewarden
Bulger has performed better than [b]Sanchez (who is the worst starting QB in the league hands down besides the possibility of Trent Edwards)[/b], the only reason the Jets haven't taken him is because they are hoping Sanchez can be their franchise QB, whereas Bulger would only be there for a couple of years.

And we had to fight to get Bulger, why else would we pay him so much?

@DRevis
Landry has proven to be solid, Foxy was amazing down the stretch last year, Webb has proven himself, Fab was exceptional at the least, and Harris is a former Pro-Bowler, who should be at least decent as a band-aid until Webb is back.

Not to mention Ed Reed is arguably the best safety of all time and his backup is probably better than your replacement for Rhodes (his name escapes me).

Not to mention we smash you in EVERY other area, considering you lost a valuable piece of your aging line and your RB that produced 1400 yards wasn't resigned. LT sucks and Greene hasn't proven anything.
[/quote]

Eh, I'm no Sanchez fan but there are a handful worse than him. The train wreck that is Jake Delhomme - also, Stafford and Freeman are in the same boat as Sanchez, in my opinion.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='22 July 2010 - 10:36 PM' timestamp='1279852594' post='436102']
@thewarden
Bulger has performed better than Sanchez (who is the worst starting QB in the league hands down besides the possibility of Trent Edwards), the only reason the Jets haven't taken him is because they are hoping Sanchez can be their franchise QB, whereas Bulger would only be there for a couple of years.

And we had to fight to get Bulger, why else would we pay him so much?


[/quote]

As I said, if Bulger was a starter, he'd be starting somewhere. Just like your boy Flacco, Sanchez too his team to the AFCCG and played well for a rookie. I like Bulger, but there are a few teams out there that could have used a QB and I see no reason why Bulger wouldn't have signed somewhere he could start unless the offers just weren't there.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='berad' date='22 July 2010 - 06:42 PM' timestamp='1279852942' post='436106']
Eh, I'm no Sanchez fan but there are a handful worse than him. The train wreck that is Jake Delhomme - also, Stafford and Freeman are in the same boat as Sanchez, in my opinion.
[/quote]


They are all in the same boat, but Stafford is in way worse of a situation and is in one of the hardest divisions (has to play the vikings and packers twice), but I'll give you Freeman and Delohme.

But the point is Bulger (who was in a HORRIBLE situation) is better than Sanchez, and that still leaves him as bottom 3 or 4 in the league which isn't very respectable.

[ed.s52]

[quote name='thewarden86' date='22 July 2010 - 06:46 PM' timestamp='1279853214' post='436109']
As I said, if Bulger was a starter, he'd be starting somewhere. Just like your boy Flacco, Sanchez too his team to the AFCCG and played well for a rookie. I like Bulger, but there are a few teams out there that could have used a QB and I see no reason why Bulger wouldn't have signed somewhere he could start unless the offers just weren't there.
[/quote]

Sanchez posted a 60 QB rating in his rookie year as opposed to Flacco's 80 in his rookie year.

Also, Sanchez had one of football's best O-lines, more than 1 receiver, and a #1 run game.

Not to mention the Jets shouldn't have even made it to the playoffs, considering how bad Indy would've beat them in the regular season if they just played. And the Bengals would've at least put up a fight, but instead basicly handed them a playoff berth.

And as for Bulger, that is simple. The FO themselves said they were in competition to sign Bulger (hence why they payed him so much) and Bulger now will not be hit, or have any responsibilities whatsoever, and very well may get a Super Bowl ring out of it.