Flacco On Bulger

[BuckWilds]

It just seems like Joe is saying he's going to miss Troy or Beck. The rest of the interpretation just seems like final week of off-season shenanigans.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='BuckWilds' date='20 July 2010 - 02:13 AM' timestamp='1279606426' post='434780']
It just seems like Joe is saying he's going to miss Troy or Beck. The rest of the interpretation just seems like final week of off-season shenanigans.
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Agreed. Glad we'll soon be able to discuss things pertaining to what's going on with the team and not random suggestions and other nonsense.

[ed.s52]

Are we looking at a possible re-enacment of the 2000 Tony Banks-Trent Dilfer midseason switch?

[rlh445]

I love the Bulger signing. Guy is a competent QB, period. Probably the best backup QB free agent the league had to offer. I mean don't get me wrong, Troy did an okay job but I was on pins and needles the entire time last year when Joe was hobbling around late in the season. I did NOT want to see Troy in there. But with Bulger, I can feel a lot more secure in the fact that if Joe goes down, we'll have somebody who has proven he belongs at QB in there making smart decisions. All Joe is saying is that he'll miss either Troy or Beck once they leave and a new chemistry will have to be cultivated. He's fine, the teams fine, and Bulger will fit in with the Ravens like a glove. F PFT.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Ravnet' date='20 July 2010 - 12:30 AM' timestamp='1279603825' post='434773']
I wasn't being argumentative just to be argumentative, rather I was pointing out that they actually are strangers, and thus his comments are certainly more understandable, especially as Joe specifically pointed out that he meant no disrespect to Marc.
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That's not news to anyone, thats just some literal interpretation of what I said. So what if they haven't met? they are also teammates and new Ravens should be welcomed with open arms and not made to feel like strangers intentional or not.

Could you imagine if Joe had said this to Q?

[rlh445]

[quote name='BloodRaven' date='20 July 2010 - 03:56 AM' timestamp='1279612562' post='434796']
That's not news to anyone, thats just some literal interpretation of what I said. So what if they haven't met? they are also teammates and new Ravens should be welcomed with open arms and not made to feel like strangers intentional or not.

Could you imagine if Joe had said this to Q?
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What constitutes open arms? I'm quite sure Joe didn't greet Marc with a middle finger and turned his back on him. Having reporters find you and ask for your candid opinion on a situation doesn't equal instant cold shouldery. They hugged, they talked, Joe is genuinely happy Marc is there, just bummed one of his buddies he's used to having around will be cut. Oh, and if Joe had said this ABOUT (not to, he didn't say this to Bulger obviously) Q, it wouldn't have amounted to anything more.

[Rav'n Maniac]

I am a little surprised by Joe's comments. I 'm not trying to over-read into this and it's admirable for him to be concerned about his friends and their futures. But I'm also bewildered that he would even think Marc could possibly disrupt the chemistry of the team. I'm especially surprised that he would make any of these comments to the media. I would have expected something like this being said by Troy or Jeff but not Joe. Hey, I'm sorry but, I don't care for the fact that Joe is dissing the guy, in a sense and in public, because he received an invite and accepted the invitation. Joe should be tickled to have this kind of support, if not just for himself but for the team. I just feel it was an immature act for him to basically question the FO's decision to bring Marc here in the manner that he did.

[MagicianCamille]

On one hand I'd like to believe Joe just doesn't want to see Troy or Beck go, but on the other it really seems like he's worried about actually having competition at the QB position.

[BuckWilds]

The drama over this nothing situation is amazing. It almost seems like people want there to be an issue whether or not an issue really exists. I'm going to go organize my Ravens gear while everyone else sorts this out.

[lowrider]

[quote name='BuckWilds' date='20 July 2010 - 06:47 AM' timestamp='1279622870' post='434816']
The drama over this nothing situation is amazing. It almost seems like people want their to be an issue whether or not an issue really exists. I'm going to go organize my Ravens gear while everyone else sorts this out.


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I was thinking the same thing. Joe was just being political and saying he would miss Troy or Beck. I don't think it is an attack on Bulger. It'll be cool to see what Bulger can teach Flacco. But it would be silly if the Ravens organization even considered playing Bulger over Flacco.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' date='19 July 2010 - 07:31 PM' timestamp='1279589483' post='434676']
He has to remain health that is for one. It really just takes 1 lousy injury and everything can fall apart.
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Yes of course, this is the only reason that we signed Bulger. We have him for insurance and not to compete with Joe for the starting job.

[JEEPercreepermd]

stop reading so much into this. Joe was just saying that he has built a strong relationship with Beck and Smith over the past two seasons, and it sucks that one or both of them could be gone in a few weeks.

[UxbridgeRaven]

I think it's another step on the learning curve for Flacco. If you are a franchise QB the supporting cast is going to change round you, sometimes you might not like the changes but it is your job to make the most of them.

I have no doubt Bulger will be the best QB Flacco has ever played with and hopefully he takes something from it.

As a Ravens fan I have to say I think Bulger is a major upgrade as a back up for us.

[Ravenmore74]

Do you guys think that Bulger will ever have a nickname like Cool Bulger?

[Guest RBates]

Wow i would love to know how Marc bulger is a better QB than Smith without stats. We have nothing to judge this on, so stop spitting nonsense. When Troy plays, then talk, but for now (child please!!!) (kiss the baby!!!).

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' date='23 July 2010 - 09:35 PM' timestamp='1279935342' post='436579']
Wow i would love to know how Marc bulger is a better QB than Smith without stats. We have nothing to judge this on, so stop spitting nonsense. When Troy plays, then talk, but for now (child please!!!) (kiss the baby!!!).
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You need to start quoting people, because we never know who you're responding to.....not to mention I don't even understand what you're saying here. Are you saying that there is no evidence that Bulger is better than Smith? I sure hope not!!

[Ravenmore74]

Mark my words Smith is going to be either 2 or 3 next year and Beck is the odd man out...

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='20 July 2010 - 01:59 PM' timestamp='1279587567' post='434665']
Am I the only person who doesnt really think a new backup Quarterback will ruin team chemistry.

As a Ravens fan it pains me to say this, but Joe, you are wrong.

I trust Biscotti and Newsome's decisions over yours, and you got hurt last year. What if it happens again? Do you think the fact that you like Troy and John will alter the fact that they are not as proven, or simply as good as Bulger.

If you fall, the team doesn't want to abandon their Super Bowl aspirations, and now we won't have to.
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Indeed, I was very happy with this signing.

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='RBates' date='23 July 2010 - 08:35 PM' timestamp='1279935342' post='436579']
Wow i would love to know how Marc bulger is a better QB than Smith without stats. We have nothing to judge this on, so stop spitting nonsense. When Troy plays, then talk, but for now (child please!!!) (kiss the baby!!!).
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I know you probably won't respond to this but here you go

Bulger:
Games: 96 Attempts: 3,171 Completions: 1,969 Completion Percentage: 62.1 Yards: 22,814 TDS: 122 Int: 93

Smith:
Games: 14 (started only 2 of them) Attempts: 89 Completions: 48 Completion Percentage: 53.9 Yards: 558 TD: 3 Ints: 1

So Bulger has 82 more games of experience. 22,256 more yards, 119 more TDs, and 1,921 more completions.

And all this on a terrible team. But naturally now the he's on the Ravens WHO KNOWS HOW HE WILL DO? I mean it's a complete toss up right? Of course everyone would naturally take Smith over Bulger right? /sarcasm

As for your "When Troy plays, then talk, but for now (child please!!!) (kiss the baby!!!)." comment I have to point out that Troy will probably NEVER play any meaningful time in the NFL. No offense to him but his prospects don't look good. He was begging for a trade and no one would take him. All it would take is a 5th round pick...

So forgive me if I'd take an experienced NFL STARTER with over 22,000 yards and 122 TDs over a guy who's been a backup his whole career and owns an astounding 558 yards and an impressive 3 TDs playing in mostly garbage time.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' date='25 July 2010 - 09:40 PM' timestamp='1280112022' post='437378']
I know you probably won't respond to this but here you go

Bulger:
Games: 96 Attempts: 3,171 Completions: 1,969 Completion Percentage: 62.1 Yards: 22,814 TDS: 122 Int: 93

Smith:
Games: 14 (started only 2 of them) Attempts: 89 Completions: 48 Completion Percentage: 53.9 Yards: 558 TD: 3 Ints: 1

So Bulger has 82 more games of experience. 22,256 more yards, 119 more TDs, and 1,921 more completions.

[b]And all this on a terrible team. [/b]But naturally now the he's on the Ravens WHO KNOWS HOW HE WILL DO? I mean it's a complete toss up right? Of course everyone would naturally take Smith over Bulger right? /sarcasm

As for your "When Troy plays, then talk, but for now (child please!!!) (kiss the baby!!!)." comment I have to point out that Troy will probably NEVER play any meaningful time in the NFL. No offense to him but his prospects don't look good. He was begging for a trade and no one would take him. All it would take is a 5th round pick...

So forgive me if I'd take an experienced NFL STARTER with over 22,000 yards and 122 TDs over a guy who's been a backup his whole career and owns an astounding 558 yards and an impressive 3 TDs playing in mostly garbage time.
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[b]WRONG[/b]. Rams actually had HOF nominee support cast around him in 2002-2008.
When he had great cast, he did 'decent' not great. He had two years with 3600 yard with 93 pass rating. He had 3 great years, and 5 bad years. His past three years all had more interceptions than TDs.

There's a reason why I dont want Bulger around:

His expensive, his injury prone(2007), his a declining QB (more INT than TD in 2007,2008,2009). He has only on average 2% better pass rating than Jamarcus Russell in 2007-2009.

Marc's salary is 3.8m (5.8m with incentive) as a backup QB (gets paid more than Joe Flacco btw). His contract is the most expensive backup QB in the whole NFL. (and all this for a declining QB!)

Last concern is in year 2011, do we keep this guy for 5.8mill or more? If not, can we rely on John Beck?


The guy has so much red-alert no-no's. I say keep Marc, Troy, and Beck this year. Then after we finish this year, throw him out. Keeping a backup QB, while 60% of all the cast in ravens gets lower salary then him is ridiculous.

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' date='25 July 2010 - 10:45 PM' timestamp='1280115939' post='437402']
[b]WRONG[/b]. Rams actually had HOF nominee support cast around him in 2002-2008.
When he had great cast, he did 'decent' not great. He had two years with 3600 yard with 93 pass rating. He had 3 great years, and 5 bad years. His past three years all had more interceptions than pass completions.

There's a reason why I dont want Bulger around:

His expensive, his injury prone(2007), his a declining QB (more INT than TD in 2007,2008,2009). He has only on average 2% better pass rating than Jamarcus Russell in 2007-2009.

Marc's salary is 3.8m (5.8m with incentive) as a backup QB (gets paid more than Joe Flacco btw). His contract is the most expensive backup QB in the whole NFL. (and all this for a declining QB!)

Last concern is in year 2011, do we keep this guy for 5.8mill or more? If not, can we rely on John Beck?


The guy has so much red-alert no-no's. I say keep Marc, Troy, and Beck this year. Then after we finish this year, throw him out. Keeping a backup QB, while 60% of all the cast in ravens gets lower salary then him is ridiculous.
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You're right that Bulger wasn't always on a bad team. It doesn't really change my point at all. You don't agree that Marc Bulger is a better QB than Smith and Beck? I didn't really make an argument that we should have signed him or that he was a great move by the front office (But I do think it's a reasonable, though expensive, insurance policy in case Flacco gets injured). My point was that Bulger has done much, much more in this league than Troy or Beck have. It's ridiculous that people would rather have Troy- there's a reason the front office signed him. They'd rather have Bulger than Smith if Flacco goes down and I agree with them.

After this year I think we'll let him go due to cap restrictions. But honestly if the money hadn't gone to Bulger I don't think it would have been spent on our other players. You wouldn't see anyone getting pay raises. The FO has the money but players agree on contracts and should (for the most part) honor those contracts.

I don't agree with keeping 4 QBs on the roster either. I say keep Troy (unless we can trade him) and cut Beck.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' date='25 July 2010 - 11:00 PM' timestamp='1280116843' post='437409']
You're right that Bulger wasn't always on a bad team. It doesn't really change my point at all. You don't agree that Marc Bulger is a better QB than Smith and Beck? I didn't really make an argument that we should have signed him or that he was a great move by the front office (But I do think it's a reasonable, though expensive, insurance policy in case Flacco gets injured). My point was that Bulger has done much, much more in this league than Troy or Beck have. It's ridiculous that people would rather have Troy- there's a reason the front office signed him. They'd rather have Bulger than Smith if Flacco goes down and I agree with them.

After this year I think we'll let him go due to cap restrictions. But honestly if the money hadn't gone to Bulger I don't think it would have been spent on our other players. You wouldn't see anyone getting pay raises. The FO has the money but players agree on contracts and should (for the most part) honor those contracts.

I don't agree with keeping 4 QBs on the roster either. I say keep Troy (unless we can trade him) and cut Beck.
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Oh I agree with you when you say his better than Troy/Beck.

Even though his declining, his still more experienced than Troy/Beck.

For me as a fan though, I would've loved to keep Troy just to see what he could've done after so much years training with Ravens. His work unfortunately didn't came into fruition.

The only thing Im mainly complaining about is his pay(5.8mill? come on), and future concerns(2011..?). If we paid him 2mill for 3 years as a backup, that wouldve made more sense to me. But keeping him one year...then having to cut Troy/Beck...then recruiting another QB or re-hiring Bulger next year is..... just stupid.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' date='26 July 2010 - 12:08 AM' timestamp='1280117318' post='437412']
Oh I agree with you when you say his better than Troy/Beck.

Even though his declining, his still more experienced than Troy/Beck.

For me as a fan though, I would've loved to keep Troy just to see what he could've done after so much years training with Ravens. His work unfortunately didn't came into fruition.

The only thing Im mainly complaining about is his pay(5.8mill? come on), and future concerns(2011..?). If we paid him 2mill for 3 years as a backup, that wouldve made more sense to me. But keeping him one year...then having to cut Troy/Beck...then recruiting another QB or re-hiring Bulger next year is..... just stupid.
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It was $3.8M not $5.8M (quite a few other errors in your post, but I'll let them go because I'm trying to trim down on my "<[i]being a jerk[/i]>

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='1/28/01' date='25 July 2010 - 11:47 PM' timestamp='1280119641' post='437429']
It was $3.8M not $5.8M (quite a few other errors in your post, but I'll let them go....)
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5.8 with incentive. 3.8m guaranteed money. Pay attn to my previous post.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' date='23 July 2010 - 10:11 PM' timestamp='1279937517' post='436592']
Mark my words Smith is going to be either 2 or 3 next year and Beck is the odd man out...
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Wow that is REALLY going out on a limb! Good job!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' date='26 July 2010 - 01:15 AM' timestamp='1280121327' post='437446']
5.8 with incentive. 3.8m guaranteed money. Pay attn to my previous post.
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Touche...