2011-2012 Team

[Romo Ravens]

Looking into next year, 2011, I was just looking at better ways to improve our team, no matter what happens this season. Even though we added Q and Donte', our WR situation is still a little bit hazy. To save you all the consistent T.O. threads, or "oh no, not another WR thread " discussions, you don't have to read if that'll be your response.

If this is Mason's [i]swan song[/i] in Baltimore, is everyone really satisfied in having Donte' being our number two, and Clayton being our number three?

I know I'm not.

So how about this: [b]We give Randy Moss a look[/b], [u]if[/u] he is to be let go by the Patriots.

Even Moss doesn't expect to be resigned by the Patriots next offseason, because it's a business. A lot of my facts are about five months old, and anything can happen this season, but what if he's dumped?

Would you guys even bother to give him a look? My opinion is yes, of course, without hesitation. With Moss and Q running the 1 and 2's, Stallworth would look great in the slot. Moss will be 34 next February, and he should demand one more huge contract. If we can afford him, is he worth a shot, or should we go with the youthful, draft a WR early next year route? Or how about the, "we have developmental WR's on the team who can come in next season and help" point of view?

Just another thread to share your opinions in this long, painful offseason.

Mods - If this is in the wrong place, I'm sorry.

[Milton145]

Stallworth isn't even a lock to be here next year since he signed a one year deal. Our WR situation for next year or when Mason retires might be where we were last year. We'll have Q but Clayton has already proven he can't be a Number 2, Reed probably won't be any better. He's a Number 3 at best. All of our other developmental guys I don't think will pass either. That's just my feeling.

The media is going to hype us as a team needing a WR just like they did with CB this year so we never really know what we are going to draft.

I'd bring in Moss. It'd be the safest thing if we could afford him.

[ed.s52]

I wouldn't bring in Moss just because of cost, character issues, and age. I agree we need another receiver, but we are experiencing luxury by having 2 #1's this season. If Mase retires, that we should grab a younger guy, or possibly no one is Stalls or David Reed proves himself to be a beast this year, because I think Clayton or Reed in the slot would work great.

But basicly, no one Moss. If I wanted a costly receiver I would grab Sidney Rice, Brandon Marshall, or Steve Smith (NYG), who will all be FA's next year.

The best idea in my opinion, though, would be to draft someone next year so that we have someone to grow with Flacco, and someone that will still be here in 5 years, which is an obvious disadvantage to someone like Randy Moss, because this search will just happen again once he retires.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Next year's draft is DEEP at WR. A lot of tall, fast guys... Cam's favorite. It's looking to be one of the deepest WR classes in recent memory. My guess is there will be several starter-quality WR's left in the 2nd and maybe even 3rd round. Julio Jones, AJ Green, Michael Floyd, Baldwin, Little, Toliver, and Pettis. All Cameron prototype receivers with serious upside. Julio Jones and AJ Green seem like can't miss prospects to me, and the rest look like top 20 talent but will probably fall to the 2nd and 3rd rounds just bc of sheer numbers.

I say land our guy for the future whether we go after an immediate fix like Moss. I wouldnt mind bringing Moss in bc its a sure thing, but either way having to constantly "fix" a problem at WR is going to kill our chances of being SB contenders year in and year out so the long-term solution is a must in the draft with so much talent.

[ed.s52]

Nevermind about Marshall, he signed a 4 year extension, but if we could grab him that would be insane. This would be us every play

[JO_75]

Eron Riley... enough said.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='Milton145' date='15 July 2010 - 11:22 PM' timestamp='1279254179' post='433378']
b] Reed probably won't be any better. He's a Number 3 at best.[/b] [/quote]


Have you seen David Reed play a single down in the NFL Yet??? My thing is, nobody can say this or that about a player that we have never seen touch the field. Everybody said Percy Harvin wouldnt amount to anything and I believe he was the ROY or nominated for ROY. I would wait to see him play before I decide on how well hes going to play in my [b]opinion[/b]

[Romo Ravens]

I totally get the concept of stopping quick gaps like some of you are saying, but is it absurd to think Moss can't play until he's 37, 38, and at a high level? If anything, we still draft a WR with loads of potential in the first, second or third, and ride Q and Moss to consistent SB's while that younger WR has a chance to learn behind some of the best ever.

I love Reed, and I think he can be great for us, but I'm so sick of developmental WR's (Eron Riley, Justin Harper, etc). Why wait if you can get proven, reliable Vets? If Anquan goes down hard, the depth behind him (if Mason retires) is back to square one and the reason why we traded in the first place.

How much do you think he'll want if he puts up another Pro Bowl year but assuming the Patriots won't offer him money?

[ed.s52]

@PurplePunishment

He was the Offensive rookie of the year, barely beating out Oher. Brian Cushing won the ROY and Oher got second (I don't really understand how he can get second in that and in offense but whatever).

@RomoRavens

I would agree it would be absurd to say he can't, but perfectly logical to say he won't and that if he does he won't be as good as he is now.

When receivers age they tend not to be as good, yes we have the miracle receiver in D-Mase, but there is a reason TO hasnt been signed yet and why Issac Bruce or Tory Holt did nothing when they left the Rams with their teams (Niners, Jags).

Moss won't be as good as you are implying he will be when he is 37, and even if he is still good Moss is only good for one thing, running a fade and catching a touchdown. When his speed disappears that definitely won't be the case. Like I said earlier... why not another great receiver, but a younger one, like Sidney Rice or Steve Smith who become FA's next year.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Personally, I have never been a Moss fan although he has performed well wherever he's played for the most part. I think it's more his persona and character with me than anything else. If we were going to spend big bucks and go after another big name receiver, I would be more interested with someone in the midst of their career as opposed to a player nearing the end of theirs. Just my opinion.

[Ravnet]

I think the fate of the 2011/2012 team is contingent on whether we win a Super Bowl or not this year.

[flynismo]

I'm all for bringing Moss here. Dude is the best reciever the league has ever seen, not named Rice.

But I'm fine with Q and Stallworth + whoever we draft at reciever, plus all the tight ends we have.

[harfordravenfan]

I'd pass on Moss and get a young WR in the draft to grow with Flacco (as mentioned earlier... very deep draft for WR's next year) but also hope to see some of our current prospects step up and deliver

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='flynismo' date='16 July 2010 - 06:15 PM' timestamp='1279332930' post='433696']
I'm all for bringing Moss here. Dude is the best reciever the league has ever seen, not named Rice.

But I'm fine with Q and Stallworth + whoever we draft at reciever, plus all the tight ends we have.
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What if Stallworth doesn't pan out for us?

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='15 July 2010 - 10:51 PM' timestamp='1279263116' post='433411']

I would agree it would be absurd to say he can't, but perfectly logical to say he won't and that if he does he won't be as good as he is now.

When receivers age they tend not to be as good, yes we have the miracle receiver in D-Mase, but there is a reason TO hasnt been signed yet and why Issac Bruce or Tory Holt did nothing when they left the Rams with their teams (Niners, Jags).

Moss won't be as good as you are implying he will be when he is 37, and even if he is still good Moss is only good for one thing, running a fade and catching a touchdown. When his speed disappears that definitely won't be the case. Like I said earlier... why not another great receiver, but a younger one, like Sidney Rice or Steve Smith who become FA's next year.
[/quote]

I think it's safe to say that Moss is on a totally different level than Isaac Bruce or Torry Holt. We would have him when he's 34, and give him a 3-5 year contract. He'll give us at least two exceptional years out of that.

I don't like any WR's other than Moss that hit FA next year.

[ed.s52]

Wow definitely not, Issac Bruce is #2 all time receiving yards and both are a lock for the Hall of Fame, probably first ballot.

Sidney Rice is an animal, Pro Bowl and only like 3 years in the league, Steve Smith is also a beast and will stay in the league much longer than Moss.

Besides those two I completely agree there are no worthwhile FA's, but the fact that he will cost a lot of cash and that we need youth at the WR position tells me Moss is a backup option (like if we lose our 1st and 2nd draft pick, if Boldin has a career ending injury, or Boldin and Stalls just flat out suck).

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='ed.s52' date='16 July 2010 - 08:03 PM' timestamp='1279339429' post='433738']
Wow definitely not, Issac Bruce is #2 all time receiving yards and both are a lock for the Hall of Fame, probably first ballot.

Sidney Rice is an animal, Pro Bowl and only like 3 years in the league, Steve Smith is also a beast and will stay in the league much longer than Moss.

Besides those two I completely agree there are no worthwhile FA's, but the fact that he will cost a lot of cash and that we need youth at the WR position tells me Moss is a backup option (like if we lose our 1st and 2nd draft pick, if Boldin has a career ending injury, or Boldin and Stalls just flat out suck).
[/quote]

I meant as of now in their respective careers, but I still think Moss was/is way better than either of them.

This idea just stems from the lack of consistency we get when we draft a young WR. It seems as if the FO is content with signing mediocre WR's or keeping the mediocre WR's we now have on the team. Q is an exceptional to all of this, but if Mason retired next year, I would be damn happy to have Moss step in and help. If we want SB's, we can't wait.

[ed.s52]

I agree with the notion that we should be done with young, development receivers like Eron Riley or Justin Harper.

As for Moss, I think he would be a good pickup but Sidney Rice and/or Steve Smith both would be great as #2's and be with us for a very long time.

And if you want to properly utilize Moss, there is only one proper, 4 step formula.

Step 1- Tell him to run a fade

Step 2- Wait 2-4 seconds

Step 3- Throw it as far as possible his way

Step 4- Dougie with him in the endzone. For those of you who don't know this, watch this[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnPJmDc0b_M[/media]

Now I'm not saying there is a downside to this, but we already have a deep threat in Stalls and speed disappears with age. He will still be a great receiver, but he will have declined in his greatest asset and I'm not sure its worth signing him when some of that money should be goin towards Flacco, Rice, Haloti, Ellerbee, and Oher.

By all means get him here if you can for the right price, but I personally would prefer a very talented young guy like Rice.

[Alexir]

[quote name='JO_75' date='16 July 2010 - 01:43 AM' timestamp='1279258984' post='433396']
Eron Riley... enough said.
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Hope this is sarcastic.

Everyone needs to get off this practice fodder's jock.....

[PurpleChaos]

Being that there is a strong chance of zero football being played that year the point is kinda mute.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='PurpleChaos' date='18 July 2010 - 09:03 AM' timestamp='1279458222' post='434054']
Being that there is a strong chance of zero football being played that year the point is kinda mute.
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